Culture Pronoun Pandemonium: The “gay fanfiction problem” is a linguistic dilemma for the ages

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Gay fanfiction is one life’s simple joys — but it does pose one major problem for writers. The problem is so big, in fact, that it garnered attention from actual linguists, including social media’s resident linguistic expert human1011.

“Have you heard of the gay fanfiction problem?” human1011 asked in a viral TikTok. “Now, I know that this term kind of looks like it was coined by some random Tumblr user 10 years ago — and that’s because it was. But since then, it’s seen actual use by linguists. So, what does it mean?”

“Imagine that you’re reading a story about Jack and Jill and come across this sentence,” he continued, pointing to the phrase, “He sees her.”

“You should automatically know what that means: Jack sees Jill,” human1011 explained. “But now imagine you’re reading a story about Jack and John and come across this sentence.” This time, the sentence reads, “He sees him.”

“Does that mean that Jack sees John, or John sees Jack? Without more context, it’s impossible to tell. This is the gay fanfiction problem, so named because fanfiction will often have lengthy sections in which two characters will interact with each other with extensive use of pronouns. It’s specifically gay fanfiction because English pronouns are gendered, which means this problem doesn’t apply to straight fanfiction.”

With that, human1011 offered a few potential solutions: “You could always refer to a noun explicitly” — ie, always using a character’s name instead of their pronoun — “but that quickly gets repetitive.”

“You could also use synechdoche, which is when you refer to something based on one of its traits” — ie, calling a character by their hair color or profession instead of their pronoun — “but that feels kinda clunky,” he conceded. “Honestly, there isn’t really a great solution other than just restructuring the whole sentence. At least, not in English. But other languages have workarounds.”

From there, human1011 broke down how languages including Nepali, Blackfoot, and some sign languages get around the gay fanfiction problem by differentiating pronouns by social status, role in a sentence, or physical placement in space, rather than just by gender as they are in English.

Meanwhile, folks in human1011’s comment proposed far less serious solutions to the problem for any fanfic writers out there.

“What if we mark John as he¹ and Jack as he²?” one commenter proposed.

“Wish there was a way to just do let x = John let y = Jack,” another suggested. “x sees y.” But of course, we all know bringing letters into math was bad enough — we don’t need to bring them into writing, too.

And as far as human1011’s claim that the term was coined by “some random Tumblr user 10 years ago,” it’s difficult to pin down the exact origin of the phrase — but one Tumblr user, @gothhabiba, did use the term “the gay fanfiction dilemma” in a viral post from 8 years ago, referencing a Swedish user’s frustration with English’s pronouns.

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Mr Null lived in the Florida swamps. Suddenly he heard a rustling just outside his sliding door. Scampering to action he throws his cheese wheel and bursts out to discover a chinky, square jawed, man in a dress rambling about pronouns and dog hair in his makeshift yard. Thinking quickly Mr Null grabs the slot eyed tranny and chucks him in his fire. All is well.

See how that works Mr journo? I'm a complete ritard that almost failed all my English classes, yet I can figure out how to write about Trannys.
 
Problem was already solved: CONTEXT. Duh!!! Jack turned the corner. That's when he saw him. John was standing there... fucking illiterate, moronic, fart smelling girls cant even write fanfiction anymore.

What, do they save the good fanfiction for when someone "misgenders" them correctly as a female and they have to tell preddit about it? Or is it saved for when they are planted inside cause their mommies and daddies pay the bills and they have no actual human interaction and they have to write stupid little 'a tots gat boi looked t me today' stories?

Wait wait dont tell me. The stories about 'receding hairline from testosterone use' girls who was totally involved in a hate crime today was for really realz.
 
This, by the way, is why nobody can write anymore.

Why would anyone call this the gay fanfiction problem? Because that's all they read. That implies we have linguists whose primary reading material is fujoshi fic.

It betrays the sheer self-absorbed myopia of a generation of now-academics.
 
Total writer fujo problem.

Hungarian has a whole big collection of 1 pronoun, though it isn't used like this.

-Garrison saw his his (own or Big Gay Al's) gaybo shawl.
This would translate to:
-Garrison saw the gaybo own-shawl.
-Garrison saw the gaybo shawl. (Big Gay Al's).

But you just need context. Maybe write about something other than cocks?

Mr Garrison saw his love rival Big Gay Al hugging Mr Slave.
His puppet fell off his hand in surprise, when his Big Gay Animal shelter disgorged all the gay animals. He could feel something in his tight leather pants, was Lemmiwinks back?
 
Once the characters are in the scene, the dialogue goes back and forth typically so there's no need to constantly refer to the by their pronouns. If you have a paragraph devoted to description or action, coming back to dialogue you'll refer to the speaker first and it can be assumed the other person speaking is the other character previously introduced in the scene unless specified otherwise. The solution to this shit is common sense. If you try reading an actual novel you can pick up how to handle this non-existent issue just via osmosis. Words like 'said', 'she' and 'he', etcetera, are also subject to lexical habituation I.E. your brain automatically processes and skips over low-information, frequently used words like that. The only reason you'd obsess over pronouns in your gay fanfic, is that you really need to emphasise that it's gay, and 'he' is looking at another 'he' - oh, how scandalous! But generously, a new amateur writer might be aware that certain words might be viewed as repetitious if used in quick succession, and are worried things like pronouns, dialogue tags, etcetera might be too annoying. But due to the aforementioned habituation/function word blindness, it's not. But to discount any generosity to people posing the question, it's not specifically a 'gay fanfic' problem, so saying as such are doing a retarded meme or they want people to know they're writing gay fanfiction.
 
Just write in first-person or second-person, lol. "I see him" or "You see him". Problem solved.
First-person and second-person perspective are divisive enough in fanfiction that Ao3 has an official tag for each. This is a niche audience, and a lot of the readers don't want to be put in the shoes of the main character (or the main character's focus); they want to hide across the room in the metaphorical laundry basket while the main characters go about their business.

weird how hundreds of years of real literature had multiple men talking to each other without anyone getting confused
Porn writing can get kind of procedural, y'know? It's easy to keep same-sex characters differentiated in dialogue, or dialogue-heavy scenes. If two dudes are in bed, now you have four "his hands" to explain the position of.

Anyway this isn't a problem like "the lithium crisis;" this is a problem like "keeping your working tension consistent so the stitches are even." Just gotta git gud.
 
First-person and second-person perspective are divisive enough in fanfiction that Ao3 has an official tag for each. This is a niche audience, and a lot of the readers don't want to be put in the shoes of the main character (or the main character's focus); they want to hide across the room in the metaphorical laundry basket while the main characters go about their business.
I saw some BookTok bitch saying she never read anything but first person before (smut fag, obviously), and that the writing (can't remember perspective) was "weird".
 
I saw some BookTok bitch saying she never read anything but first person before (smut fag, obviously), and that the writing (can't remember perspective) was "weird".
Amateur smut these days seems to mostly be third-person, present tense (so much so that you can tell age of a writer/story by past tense). She could have been reading romance novels instead, and I guess she never had to read any fiction for school. At least she's expanding her horizons :optimistic:

A well written book sets the scene and has you mentally following the action of characters.
They're literally calling it "the gay fanfiction problem," so I think you just solved it.
 
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