Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[regalterry]

Unless EA really is delusional enough to still think Bioware can unfuck themselves (or there's some shady behind the scenes blackmail going on) I'm 100% expecting the same thing to happen here.

They should have just pulled off the bandaid now, rather than shoveling a few dozen more millions of dollars into the pit.

Though, I think the issue is less that EA wants to keep BioWare around, and more that they simply lack a studio competent enough to make a new Mass Effect that would sell.

There are 3 reasons and arguing over which is the 1 true reason is a bit autistic.

1 : Conservatives, especially american ones, are less creative and focus more on religion. You can find a Retvrn to Tradition band in Europe singing about Crusades or Vikings dime a dozen, with 100 youtube followers.

2 : Big companies, academia, publishing etc will do their utmost to discourage, deplatform and defund any right wing creative.

3 : Youth don't read nor do they write anything that isn't fuji fanfics. So young creative rightists won't be in art school, they'll be making le based soyaks.

But all three can be traced back to the same source.

Leftists have, now, for close to a century, actively purged right-wing creatives from any medium they gain control of. It's not easy writing a book or making a game without any kind of support structure, and without any guarantee of financial return, which is also down to the fact that leftists control Visa, MasterCard and PayPal and will gleefully weaponize them to financially destroy their opponents.

Plus, you have the braying of some dumbfucks in this thread saying right-wingers are less intelligent or creative than liberals, when the past decade has been all about showcasing us the levels of "creativity" liberals get up to when given free reign, and it boils down to shoving in as many niggers, troons and faggots into a product and little else.

Hollywood movies, books published by major companies, AAA games are all failing because liberals have complete creative control, and all they can manage to deliver is filth no one wants. Of course no one is going to read another dogshit fantasy story with a strong black female protagonist in a European medieval settings where the whole story is all about the evils of White partiarchy.

BioWare is a prime example of liberal creativity unleashed, and the end result was a predictable one.

Also, I can't imagine anything more soul-crushing than going to an art school for a degree - CalArts has been shitting out talentless freaks for decades now, and they've reduced Western animation to noodle people screaming "Pickle" at each other. I remember when Western animation studios could deliver well-written shows that are still watchable today.

Modern WB and Disney are utterly incapable of making anything near the level of quality of DCAU or Gargoyles.

 

[April Ryan]

This argument over the creativity of conservatives is because people are misunderstanding something that was poorly explained.

To (painfully oversimplify) a persons personality can be measured into 5 traits - which themselves can be broken down further into dozens more traits. Testing has shown clear correlation in certain traits and political ideology, namely that, liberals are high in openness and low in conscientiousness, while conservatives are high in conscientiousness but can be low or high in openness.

One of the things associated with openness is creativity and 'art'. This doesn't mean all liberals are creative, as I said the big 5 traits can be broken down further, but it does mean the very trait that makes you a liberal and the trait that makes you creative are the same, so the proportion of liberals who are creative is higher.

But as noted conservatives can be high in openness too, and so are fully capable of being creative - but the proportion is lower, and social stigma - people who are low in openness place low value on creativity so most people in a conservative person's social circle may look down on someone attempting it, lowering the numbers even more.

But it is telling that when listing the 'fathers' of various genres they are mostly conservative. The trait that makes you conservative - conscientiousness - controls organisation, and hard work. Tolkien spent decades meticulously building his world, something that only someone high in conscientiousness , and thus a conservative, could possibly do.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

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Bioware now has less than 100 employees after the mass layoffs.

I'm not saying thar ME5 will be good.

I am saying that it would have been absolutely terrible with certainty if they hadn't fired the Veilguard people.

 

[regalterry]

But it is telling that when listing the 'fathers' of various genres they are mostly conservative. The trait that makes you conservative - conscientiousness - controls organisation, and hard work. Tolkien spent decades meticulously building his world, something that only someone high in conscientiousness , and thus a conservative, could possibly do.

Also, Lovecraft - cosmic horror itself may not be as popular as Tolkien's fantasy, but you can see Lovecraft's influence seeping into literally everything, even though the liberal vermin refuse to give the man the recognition and respect he deserves.

And it wasn't just Lovecraft, many of his contemporaries and friends had a massive influence on pop culture that stretches into the modern era. The Golden Age of science fiction, that helped establish the genre and many of the tropes and concepts we have today, was predominantly conservative before Asimov and the rest of his friends that it all up by making it political.

Additionally, it's not easy to determine the number of modern creatives that are conservative, since the vast majority that are working in various industries keep their political allegiances under wrap so they won't get blacklisted.

I am saying that it would have been absolutely terrible with certainty if they hadn't fired the Veilguard people.

It's going to be terrible either way. The dumbfucks they've brought in to replace them are no less woke than the degenerates they fired.

I'm not even sure who EA could headhunt to be the lead writer, I don't think there's any good writers left that could guarantee the project would be the hit EA needs it to be.

You'd need a writer that was willing to write a decisive male lead, that would feature attractive female characters and a narrative that didn't shy away from touching upon topics like (total Batarian) genocide, inherent differences in behavior and intelligence among species, slavery, war crimes etc.

I'm trying to imagine a veteran writer that is still around that would be willing to tackle such a plot without quitting after the BioWare fuckwits working under him threw a few tantrums.

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

At least the chuds have good taste in gaming and a common sense. Thanks, chuds.

 

[AnOminous]

One of the premier and sad examples of this seem to be how I've met a bunch of conservatives who go way out of their way to tell me that Michael Moorcock shouldn't be read because he's a woke commie.

He kind of is, but you wouldn't read Elric and say, hey, this is like Mao's Little Red Book. It's also not like Moorcock himself was above trashing someone's writing for their real or perceived political outlooks, e.g., his ridiculous essay "Starship Stormtroopers" basically calling Heinlein a Nazi.

Additionally, it's not easy to determine the number of modern creatives that are conservative, since the vast majority that are working in various industries keep their political allegiances under wrap so they won't get blacklisted.

While it isn't as simple as just assuming anyone who doesn't constantly spew politics is right-leaning, it isn't entirely true. There are lefties who don't vomit political nonsense and righties who do. (And of course people who take a relatively sane position either way but aren't obsessively rabbiting on about it all the time.)

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

That fuck you chud argument is so tiresome and contradictory.

1. Pay no heed to the chuds, they are just a vocal minority and they are RACIST, TRANSPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBIC, MAGA, etc etc etc.
2. The game failed because the chuds didn't support it and buy it by the zillions and they also listened to the grifters!!!

Which is which? Are the chuds a sweeping army of career destroyers or a tiny minority?

 

[God of Nothing]

Which is which? Are the chuds a sweeping army of career destroyers or a tiny minority?

yes
marxist_brainwashing.exe is super effective
they don't even register the cognitive dissonance

 

[regalterry]

There are lefties who don't vomit political nonsense and righties who do.

I fully agree, but there's far less serious consequences for leftists that are open about their politics than there is for right-wingers.

Can you imagine that Obsidian cocksucker saying what he did about someone other than White men? The simple truth is that leftists are permitted to be as bigoted as they want without repercussions.

Which is which? Are the chuds a sweeping army of career destroyers or a tiny minority?

Depends what you define as a chud. If they mean "gas the kikes, race war now" types, they're probably a minority (though not as minor as the leftists like to think), if they mean "oh dear God, Taash is fucking disgusting" then, yeah, those are the vast majority of people.

They always tend to lump both categories into the same group, and fail to realize that it's really difficult to shame people into buying your dogshit product. I can withhold spending my money for far longer than they can stay solvent.

Ultimately, Veilguard is a thoroughly leftist product, one with no retarders in place to make it palatable to a wider audience. It failed because it was thoroughly unappealing to everyone that isn't a genderless blob of lard. Products like Veilguard will keep failing for as long as companies keep allowing their creatives to make content only for themselves and their tiny clique of mentally ill groomers.

On the flipside, a preachy right-wing narrative would be as equally unappealing, even if I agreed with the message, because trying to preach at people always comes at the detriment of the storytelling. Liberals 20 years ago knew that you had to hook the audiences in with a good story and likeable characters before you tried to preach at them - and I imagine there was a far wider distribution of political views among the writing team that kept everyone from going too far one way or the other.

 

[bort420]

It goes way deeper then just the world ending. I love Bioware and think their writing is pretty good as a whole but their stories usually have a bunch of similar plot points.
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was this written by ant man? Ian Miles Cheong ???

 

[30+GameOvers]

Can you imagine that Obsidian cocksucker saying what he did about someone other than White men? The simple truth is that leftists are permitted to be as bigoted as they want without repercussions.

Maybe no official repercussions from management, but there is definitely consequences. Most obviously, loss of customers or faith in the brand, which is going to bite them in the ass.

On the flipside, a preachy right-wing narrative would be as equally unappealing, even if I agreed with the message, because trying to preach at people always comes at the detriment of the storytelling. Liberals 20 years ago knew that you had to hook the audiences in with a good story and likeable characters before you tried to preach at them - and I imagine there was a far wider distribution of political views among the writing team that kept everyone from going too far one way or the other.

Couldn't agree more. Right wing purity tests would turn the game into the same tasteless slop, just with a different coat of paint. The actual diversity in topics, characters and stories being told is the key to success for an RPG like this, as is ignoring the spergs from both sides of the isle who think it is too fascist/woke ect.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Unless EA really is delusional enough to still think Bioware can unfuck themselves (or there's some shady behind the scenes blackmail going on) I'm 100% expecting the same thing to happen here.

They already clarified that DA:V is end-of-support. No reworks, no DLC, nothing.

I'd have to assume that if Bioware (what's left of it) is working on ME5 - there's some senior EA project manager overseeing it with explicit instructions to keep the project on track (no more spending 3 years on a version of the game only to go "no wait we want something completely different"). The scale of the studio is really unimportant as long as the product is good (much smaller teams have made better games, AstroBot won Game of the Year with a team of ~60).

More realistically - they're going to get ME5 to a point where it can be transferred elsewhere (or turned into a different game), but based on the layoffs it looks like the writing was done, not started, or complete garbage.

 

[Kane Lives]

They already clarified that DA:V is end-of-support. No reworks, no DLC, nothing.

I'd have to assume that if Bioware (what's left of it) is working on ME5 - there's some senior EA project manager overseeing it with explicit instructions to keep the project on track (no more spending 3 years on a version of the game only to go "no wait we want something completely different"). The scale of the studio is really unimportant as long as the product is good (much smaller teams have made better games, AstroBot won Game of the Year with a team of ~60).

More realistically - they're going to get ME5 to a point where it can be transferred elsewhere (or turned into a different game), but based on the layoffs it looks like the writing was done, not started, or complete garbage.

For comparison, the first Mass Effect involved 130 people from conception to finished game, and it was termed the "largest" project they had yet then. Dragon Age: Origins had an even larger headcount at 180, but this was two years after Mass Effect, and I think their first EA project. Also note, how they managed to swing from Mass Effect in 2007, to releasing DA: Origins in 2009.

 

[AnOminous]

I fully agree, but there's far less serious consequences for leftists that are open about their politics than there is for right-wingers.

That's why I agree that while it isn't a 100% rule, it's definitely a cause for making an inference.

There are also people who just ideologically despise the idea of ruining their art with politics. Or even participating in it.

 

[Ishtar]

I would imagine honestly that they don’t even have the writing done. They just had some concept art(that one trailer) and then Covid hit in force and resources shifted back to DAV-meaning that the project was left to circle the wheels.

Mass Effect IIRC was conceived around 2004, and the first game came out in 2007. Second one in 2010, and ME3 in Spring 2012.

In theory…they should be able to get a game to market by Q1 2028. Or even late 2027 if they really pushed it.

Whether it goes forward or not I am far less sure about.

Honestly? If BioWare survives the year, then we may in fact see another DA game in the early 2030s. Or at least a renewed ME series.

BioWare is either going to somehow survive again, or it won’t. I think we’ll know rather definitively by Christmas of this year.

 

[Mystery Spy]

Conservatives are too closed-minded to be artists" is lefty horseshit that only has cachet precisely because the arts have been dominated by the left for so long, and Ishtar's argument merits absolutely no engagement.

I agree that the idea that conservatives can't be creative is a BS myth. But it isn't a myth that came out of nowhere. It is an astroturfed lie. I have seen articles that verbatim expose Ishtar's points verbatim. It's just a lie designed to hide their nepotism

The real cause is that all paid creative fields are dominated by cliques and that has been the case for decades. It's not that there aren't conservatives rather it's that they are gate keeped away hard.

With games being ridiculously expensive to make, good luck finding conservatives willing to find a AAA game. Best case scenario you will get Nintendo's family friendly content.

 

[Ishtar]

Oh so wow, this claim I made really touched off a nerve.

I don’t mean to patronize or insult conservatives, I do think however there are real psychological differences as well as stated above, an internal culture that looks down on creative pursuits(at least in comparison to liberals).

Tolkien and Lovecraft(the men actually had vastly different beliefs) were from another era-both were (somewhat) upper class men of letters, with a wide education in the classics, that doesn’t exist anymore. Neither fits the archetypal “American conservative” today.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I’d argue many of these so-called differences are circumstantial. Liberals, for instance, often posture as suave rebels pushing boundaries. Maybe that rang true in the ’90s, when fundies had a stronghold on entertainment. But today? They’re not fighting the system—they are the system.

Take critiques of capitalism. Calling it “bad” might have been bold in the ’60s or even mildly edgy in the ’90s. Now? That take is recycled in half of Netflix’s catalog and every prime-time drama.

Don’t get me wrong—there are value differences between conservatives and liberals. But there’s a stark contrast in how those values are treated today. Pitch a feel-good show about a selfish man rediscovering faith (think John Newton’s redemption arc), and you’d be laughed out of the room. But be a lesbian —say, one who resents Christianity , was an assistant of a notorious Hollywood sex pest, and openly dislikes traditional values? Congrats, here’s your multimillion-dollar Star Wars spinoff :

The concept of religion is such a really oppressive one, especially for people like myself and many, many others.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/05/the-acolyte-star-wars-series

 

[The Doom Slayer]

They already clarified that DA:V is end-of-support. No reworks, no DLC, nothing.

I was talking about ME5. Failguard got the Andromeda/Anthem treatment where they just shat it out and then abandoned it immediately. I'd be very surprised if within a year EA doesn't come in and do a double kill on both ME5 and Bioware itself.

As for transferring the franchise to someone else, I have no clue who they'd give it to. They've killed off so many of their devs and a large chunk of the ones they still have are dedicated to shooters, capeshit, sports slop, etc.

I think the only hope is if EA actually tard wrangles Bioware instead of letting them run wild like they've been doing the past decade+. Maybe them firing a large chunk of the mentally ill individuals that were working there was a form of that, but that's just scratching the surface of what would need to be done.

 

[AnOminous]

Tolkien and Lovecraft(the men actually had vastly different beliefs) were from another era-both were (somewhat) upper class men of letters, with a wide education in the classics, that doesn’t exist anymore. Neither fits the archetypal “American conservative” today.

If you took away the weird and extreme racism (and Lovecraft despite having his insane views treated people of the groups like Jews he supposedly hated with courtesy and respect), Lovecraft arguably had "liberal" views, while if you ignored his social and religious and economic conservatism, Tolkien, with his loathing of racism and anti-Semitism, could be considered actually "liberal" himself.

Unique people don't have retard sports team politics where they pick a "side" that is automatically right no matter what, because they have their own set of beliefs.

Fun fact: Lovecraft, despite at one point having views even more anti-Semitic than Hitler, married a Jew, chose a Jew as his literary agent, and authors he mentored (like Robert Bloch) were Jews. A lot of his literary influence is because Jewish mentees, correspondents, and imitators and adapters followed his work.