Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Potentially Criminal]

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No wonder Greer never wants to prosecute this case. Doing so reminds him of his dead friend and getting the case done would just make him feel even worse about it.

This lawsuit is a memorial to the "Fallen Gay Man who Befriended Russell", just like Nick Rekieta's cabinet doors were the "Tomb of the Fallen Handyman"

 

[mindlessobserver]

The 10th circuit really did Greer no favors by letting him dig deeper into this mess.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It would be very funny if Russ is citing cases that make him look bad just because he's butthurt over memes about his terrible filings

It would also be so like Russ to spend all his time and effort finding reasons why he’s allowed to mess up and make terrible I’m 7 filings instead of learning how to make them better.

Seriously, five minutes at a public library and they’d be worlds better.

Sent from my George Droid.

 

[Jacknife]

What I wonder is what Greer even wants to DO if this would just continue.

I mean, assume that Greer only has to pay like 5000$ to Hardin, there are no other sanctions, Greer gets more time to get evidence/witnesses/whatever

So best-case all around.

And not what? It is not like he has anything?

While Greer certainly embarrassed himself I have this feeling that all his incompetence here helps him in a weird way because it conceals his utter lack of any substance

 

[FamicomGorby]

The common thread of them is Russ pretending that the cases excuse "poorly formatted" pleadings, which he thinks is his only problem. But they absolutely do not apply to what Russ is doing.

I'm going to cover one cite because it's particularly egregious, and citing it actually hurts Russ's case.

Spoiler: neatly parsed plights

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Has Russ ever cited a case correctly? I'm pretty sure he just goes and looks for the first case where the summary maybe sounds like what he wants while skimming it, ignores all the other factors, then cites them in his court filings. Only explanation I can think of for how he ended up citing cases from like the fucking 1830's in his Taylor Swift lawsuit.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

What I wonder is what Greer even wants to DO if this would just continue.

He wants Null and Hardin to just give up and let him win already. That's his game plan.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Has Russ ever cited a case correctly? I'm pretty sure he just goes and looks for the first case where the summary sounds like what he wants while skimming it, ignores all the other factors, then cites them in his court filings.

The only ones he sometimes gets right are the very basic standards. But for any standard that applies to what he's specifically arguing, he cites something partially or wholly not applicable. Good example from the start of this Response:



That first cite is nominally correct, as an example of the basic concept of adverse inference. You can credit 5 years of paralegal training for that.

Second cite, seems sketchy to me. I think the holding actually suggests the opposite of what Russ claims. The 3rd cite omits key words from those quotes that make me think it doesn't apply, certainly not to this particular case, but maybe not to Greer's generic statement of standard either.

(To be safe I'm not posting the full writeup I did. If Null or Useful_Mistake say a non-lawyer breakdown of these won't hurt, I'll post it.)

So that's just the easy part, the basic standards, and he's 1 for 3 by my count. Every other cite he has ranges from misleading to bad.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Russ retained some of the ability to find pertinent cases (which I assume is like basic paralegal stuff) but none of the ability to determine if they’re actually pertinent or if they’re harmful.

He’s solidly in the “bang the table” section of jurisprudence.

 

[obsdj]

Also remember it took Russell over a week to find out about the legal fundraiser for Null. He only found out about it after a troll sent him an email with the details

Now I’m suddenly wondering if some idiot troll, not necessarily one of us, has been emailing him shit like “Hey dum dum, Steve is DEAD LOL” as well as other highlights from here.

If the magistrate judge might have been considering some degree of clemency towards Greer on the sanctions, I have a feeling that after reading this any sense of leniency has died

“Surely THIS” etc. etc. etc.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Now I’m suddenly wondering if some idiot troll, not necessarily one of us, has been emailing him shit like “Hey dum dum, Steve is DEAD LOL” as well as other highlights from here.

If someone was emailing him, we'd know. Russ wouldn't shut up about it in filings like he does every time someone, be they a real troll or Russ himself pretending, emails him.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

I'm surprised yet not surprised that Russ pulled the "I won't file if you don't file" card. I've met guys like this but it still blind sided me. when do we get to read the filings for Hardin's fees? and does that still happen if the judge decides that Russ is playing fuck fuck games with the retransfer?

 

[Harvey Danger]

One last observation then I'm done sperging for tonight. Russ says he listed Steve in the May 2024 retransfer motion because "Greer was listing ALL POSSIBLE WITNESSES in his motion". 7 months later, when he did his (untimely) witness disclosures, "Steve Taylor was not put in any initial disclosures because, like plaintiff said, Steve could not be reached."

But nothing had changed. Russ says

After the tenth circuit reversed the case, Greer could never reach Steve to reconfirm if he would be a witness.

That happened before the re-transfer motion. Then:

After this case was retransferred to Utah, Greer still could never reach Steve to see if he would for sure recommit to being a witness and assumed he was still mad at Greer. That’s why Steve was never again listed in any email to defendants or in any documents to the Utah District Court because Greer assumed Steve was mad at him.

Only when it came time for witness disclosures in December, then Greer suddenly decided that "Steve can't be reached" was criteria for dropping him as a witness. But he also couldn't reach him before listing him as a possible witness in May. The falling-out happened in 2021, so if Russ thought Steve being mad disqualified him from being a disclosable witness, he was disqualified before the May 2024 motion as well.

Add to this that Russ doesn't name his brother in May 2024. If Greer is listing ALL POSSIBLE WITNESSES, and his brother is one based on texts from 2022, his name should be in there. Instead he seems to be included under "there are more witnesses that would be called and summoned", which is not a "listing ALL". In fact, judging by the supposed state of his relationships at the time, it makes more sense to name his brother and imply Steve, not the other way around. Instead his brother doesn't get brought up until Greer decides Steve is a no-go based on absolutely no new information.

Even if you're giving a retard a huge benefit of the doubt, he's not acting consistent with his own supposed good-faith criteria. He's just picking and choosing what he wants to disclose, with no attempt to do it correctly.

Spoiler: A Greer Theory

I'm a bit skeptical of this Steve timeline, because Russ also hadn't talked to his own family members before disclosure either. My pet theory is he only disclosed people who had known phone numbers. It goes something like:

1. Post-appeal, he tries calling or texting Steve and gets the "number disconnected" message.
2. He doesn't call his family, but has more recent texts that confirm their phone numbers.
3. For some reason he doesn't include his brother in the May 2024 filing, but he includes Steve. Maybe to make it seem like he isn't just relying on family members.
4. He never actually tries to contact Steve again, he just waits for a text or email response that never comes.
5. Disclosure day comes, and he wants to get away with just name and phone number. But he doesn't have a working number for Steve. If he gives a dead number, it will be immediately clear he wasn't in contact with Steve.
6. He sticks with his dad and brother, figuring he can add Steve if needed.
7. Everything blows up.
8. Hardin says "yo where Steve at"
9. Russ brushes him off
10. The Steve matter becomes a big deal
11. Russ, who has tried absolutely nothing to contact any of his witnesses up to this point, gets desperate enough to google Steve. Finds the obituary.
12. Everything in this Response is backfilled justification.

I really think Greer has a vague notion in his mind that he must have at least 2 witnesses to have a proper case. He also thinks having non-family witnesses is more credible. So once push came to shove, and he hadn't done his prep work, and he's staring down a midnight deadline with only 1 of his 2 named witnesses still theoretically able to be contacted, he pulled a last minute substitution and added his brother.

None of this is excusable error or good faith pro se bumblings. This is a clear example of a plaintiff refusing to prosecute his case.

 

[Bogliacci]

I'm surprised yet not surprised that Russ pulled the "I won't file if you don't file" card. I've met guys like this but it still blind sided me. when do we get to read the filings for Hardin's fees? and does that still happen if the judge decides that Russ is playing fuck fuck games with the retransfer?

Its really funny considering Russ doesn't seem to understand he's already being sanctioned. Threatening Harden with sanctions and getting his pro hac vice status revoked is... well it's definitely one of the strategies of all time.

 

[GayestFurryTrash]

How bad does your social life have to be when you consider someone who told you to fuck off an hasn't spoke to you in years as 'eager' to help you in your court case? Him having to find out through the fucking Farms this person died before he even thought to mention him is one thing but damn dude. Is Russel's plightsperg filings the closest he gets to actual social interaction in his daily life?

 

[StinkySnack]

If someone was emailing him, we'd know. Russ wouldn't shut up about it in filings like he does every time someone, be they a real troll or Russ himself pretending, emails him.

What?? We do know, because he quite literally has attached various emails from potential trolls as exhibits in his filings, the most recent one being the one informing him that he forgot to mark his emails to Hardin as confidential.

Edit:
And here is the email I mentioned notifying him of the fundraiser.

 

[Al from Dadeville]

Well, just in case he is reading:

a.) You will never have sex with a woman you haven't paid for.

a.1) sometimes you will pay a woman to have sex with you and she will change her mind anyway

Now I’m suddenly wondering if some idiot troll, not necessarily one of us, has been emailing him shit like “Hey dum dum, Steve is DEAD LOL” as well as other highlights from here.

I think he was probably where push comes to shove and he had to google his Steve Taylor and figured it out on his own.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Actually, Russ, the burden is on you to ensure your witnesses are informed and prepared to testify on your behalf.

The term you are looking for is "Failure of Due Diligence". Once again Russ is the Plaintiff. He has the luxury of taking his time. He is not the respondent to the case.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Greer has since learned why he could never reach Steve — Steve is dead......lmfao

Holy fuck. Null, I'm sorry. I know this is all real, and it's causing you real world problems, but damn if this isn't the greatest show on earth.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Hey judgey-boy, are you forgetting that the pro se litigant is PRO SE by any chance? Get it together or this is going right back to the 10th Circuit.

 

[Jimmy Dean Bowl]

His statement that "the defendants have been litigating this case for the last 2-7 months" really shows his annoyance that Null lawyered up and fought back. He seems to think Null and Hardin are suing him.

I'm disgusted, and more than a little bothered, by the fact that Russell is using what he has read in the thread as fodder to put in the mouths of "the defendants". That's bullshit, and downright lies.
What is said in the thread was not uttered by the defendants, but by anonymous people. Using it to pad his lolsuit is disingenuous and defamatory.
We should be cognizant of his shitty tactics more than ever and be mindful when posting going forward.