Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

donksmanSupreme42 said:
i think this is called a slave
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well even slave owners realized slavery is economically unviable. a willing slave, commonly called employee, is way more productive :unholy:
donksmanSupreme42 said:
rule #1 of CQB:

remove the CQ from the acronym
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unless you have an endless supply of yakuts and knives...
that sounds like one of the wisest things i have ever read.
Miquella said:
Nigga you're the same category, you're not Swiss, you're a filthy invader. Swiss birthrate is low, they have no choice but to take people in and they will take whoever delivers the skills needed for cheapest. Swizterland is a liberal hellhole one step away from being Canada complete with Nazi/Ukie gold. You are always replaceable by an Indian. Remember that.
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i am actually swiss, and you clearly know nothing about switzerland.
Soyjack Pinhead said:
So apparently the "leaked peace plan" from DC calls for no NATO membership for Ukraine, but also calls for a NATO peacekeeping force.
There's a wonderful moment in The Queen of Versailles documentary where a newly-impoverished trophy wife goes to pick up a car at an airport rental counter. After being given the keys, she asks, with childlike sincerity: "What's my driver's name?" Her brain is structurally incapable of adjusting to her new circumstances.
This is everyone in DC.
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i would be very surprised to see russia accepting that peace plan.
looks like trump is dismantling the propaganda complex; unfortunately the madmen in london and bruxelles are still supporting it, even tho i am not sure they will ever be able to replace the money sent by US. they were even financing BBC ffs...
and btw. looks like soros, gates and friends were not using their money, after all. what a surprise.
 
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Something that should be pointed out about any peace talks that isn't as widely talked about as things like how the west has no leverage or that Russia has no reason to trust the west again is that the banderites make the war stopping after a piece of paper is signed impossible.

Even if they don't coup the government and even if large portions of the military are able to immediately surrender/leave the front the fanatics in Ukraine will still be heavilly armed/number in the tens of thousands and as such will have anywhere from a few weeks to a few months to keep on fighting; its more of a question of whether they will stand their ground, get encircled and die fighting in the East or keep up a fighting retreat until they are just ramshackle kampfgruppes approaching the Western border.

If you cut them off from all foreign supplies all you will be doing is putting a time limit on them, and unfortunately they absolutely will fight for as long as they can; it won't be as intense nor as bloody, but there will still be thousands more more casualties to endure even after peace is officially restored.
 
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Charred Dinosaur said:
Something that should be pointed out about any peace talks that isn't as widely talked about as things like how the west has no leverage or that Russia has no reason to trust the west again is that the banderites make the war stopping after a piece of paper is signed impossible.

Even if they don't coup the government and even if large portions of the military are able to immediately surrender/leave the front the fanatics in Ukraine will still be heavilly armed/number in the tens of thousands and as such will have anywhere from a few weeks to a few months to keep on fighting; its more of a question of whether they will stand their ground, get encircled and die fighting in the East or keep up a fighting retreat until they are just ramshackle kampfgruppes approaching the Western border.

If you cut them off from all foreign supplies all you will be doing is putting a time limit on them, and unfortunately they absolutely will fight for as long as they can; it won't be as intense nor as bloody, but there will still be thousands more more casualties to endure even after peace is officially restored.
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on top of that i suspect the ukros will be able to blackmail the europoors into continuous support threatening asymmetric warfare (a.k.a. terrorism) on europoor soil. after all, CIA training and weapons will come useful after all and ukros have loads of those on hand.
at the end, putin might do the europoor sa favour by completely dismantling ukraine.
Average Russian Spy said:
Get ready for some grade A cringe.
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is this guy legit?
 
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Betonhaus said:
There's literally no other reason to go after it. But that plan is doomed to failure because not only are their chances of ever reaching it effectively zero, if they even have a chance they would be moving so slowly that Russia has plenty of time to safely mothball it so that bombing it does nothing.
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Makes one wonder, which plan was more realistic and had greater chance of succes. The Ardennes offensive, or this Kursk offensive.
 
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Bunkerhousing said:
Makes one wonder, which plan was more realistic and had greater chance of succes. The Ardennes offensive, or this Kursk offensive.
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Neither. Both are equally deluded in their strategic aims. The Germans thought they can force the Allies to an armistice if they swung hard enough. The Ukrops evidently thought the same with Kursk.

In reality, both the Allies and Russians are committed to total war. At best it's a bloody nose, but there is no price they won't pay for total and absolute victory, both then and now. Too much blood and gold has been split for anything other than maximalist war aims.
 
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Bunkerhousing said:
Makes one wonder, which plan was more realistic and had greater chance of succes. The Ardennes offensive, or this Kursk offensive.
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The Ardennes. It had a 99.99999% chance of ending in failure but at least they had a few (small) advantages that could have made it at least technically possible for it to end in the stabilization of the western front for a few more weeks rather then just throwing away reserves that should have been used doing things like preventing the Ruhr Pocket.

Kursk on the other hand? They invaded logistics hell as a hail mary move, and even with the best forces they had left the conscripted border gaurds who weren't even prepared to fight still managed to slow them down enough for reinforcements to arrive, after which much of their gains rapidly melted away until they ended up packed together tightly in a fragment of their former gains...

Back when it all began I remember that a bunch of people were saying they just left the force of a few thousand men there to die and that they weren't getting reinforcements, and based on that I said they would last only a month. Of course if they did end up doing that or immediately retreating that offensive actually *would* have succeeded as a lightning raid to score a propaganda victory, regardless of the costs... But given how that with hindsight was clearly never the plan and that it was intended to be a war ending offensive it is clear that the plan they intended never would have ended they way they wanted in a million years.
 
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Radola Gajda said:
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The only surprising part of this news is that it took them this long to do it.
 
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Kane Lives said:
Neither. Both are equally deluded in their strategic aims. The Germans thought they can force the Allies to an armistice if they swung hard enough. The Ukrops evidently thought the same with Kursk.

In reality, both the Allies and Russians are committed to total war. At best it's a bloody nose, but there is no price they won't pay for total and absolute victory, both then and now. Too much blood and gold has been split for anything other than maximalist war aims.
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I agree, and I'll add another observation. It is no accident that both operations were tactically and strategically similar to earlier successes. These are doomed people whose cope is governing their actions.


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The only surprising part of this news is that it took them this long to do it.
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"Do not believe the videos you see on Telegram, citizens! Those schoolboys were screaming with joy and patriotism as the TCC 'helped' them into the vans!"
 
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Miquella said:
I'm so sorry, is it terminal? How long have the German (Turkish) doctors given you to live?
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Care to shut your upper neghole up and not shitfling around?
Thanks.

SaidNoOneEver said:
Ukraine's Official Spokestroon has returned to finally tell us the truth! It's Biden's fault and Trump will save Ukraine!

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KILL. TEAR THIS TROON LIMB TO LIMB.
LEAVE NOTHING. SKULL FOR KHORNE, REST FOR PIGS.
 
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Remember frog jets Mirrage ?
Frenchies released video to hype them up and tell us yep they are comming out soon (TM).
If F-16 were wet fart this will be one as well.

Trump ordered Musk to review Pentagon spending.
 
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Technological advancements that might be important in assisting their war effort later down the line.

Still waiting if Trump is going to throw in extra billions or not because the return on investment for keeping western Ukraine still has some rich resources or they can continue the war to make negotiations harder for Ukraine with a chance of further risking even western Ukraine with a possibility of getting zero return on investment instead. The west is going to be stuck with
1. try a negotiation this year and the resources you will get in return will still help you with the amount of money you gave Ukraine.
2. Ukraine meets your demand of lowering their mobilization age to 18, time goes by, mobilization laws will further lower the age that it gets to the point that there is lesser and lesser resistance of even taking western Ukraine which you might get nothing in return.

Ukraine does have crucial resources like will the rest of the western and even eastern world, will they be happy with just 20% of neon which is crucial material for phones, computers and laptops or do they need the other percentage that Russia has which can also boost China's power? If some of the material Ukraine does have is really crucial to the world market that means that lifting sanctions from Russia will further boost their economy than what they are going to keep from Ukraine.

Also this guy needs to shut up. the more he talks the lower he raises the hopes of pro-ukraine on this forum.
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Even if magically somehow the Russian economy sinks before the war is over which is what some pro-ukraine users might be hoping for. Do you think the Chinese who are sanctioned from receiving chips from the west and started making their own chips would they be happy with the west having 100% of the material that makes chips, or do you think with their economy and soldiers they would go into the war themselves later to prevent that from happening?

Video summarizes the Ukraine war, Aaron is Ukraine, the female is NATO and the dumpster defenders are Russians. (god I wish I had a kiwifarms account back than when this shit went viral)
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
After he stabbed Don in the back does the expired kike think Trump is going to do anything to help him? There's a reason he's pushing for new elections in Ukraine.
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Trump is a businessman. He's still willing to work with his enemies as long as ground rules are followed. Something completely alien to the liberal mindset, which led to their purity spiral to irrelevance.
 
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