Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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Anything that does not end in both Russell being told he's wrong and Russell being forced to pay Null is not the good ending. The best ending would result in him being labeled vexatious, or at least having a court order preventing him from suing Null.

Null and this website still have many enemies. If Russ gets a moral victory, it'll only encourage him and our other enemies to fight on. We need to crush him in court as a warning to everyone else: we will fight for as long as it takes, and we will beat you.
It also fucks up internet law more than it already fucking has for greer to get a win. Of any kind.

Given the current political movements on internet censorship I am not. Fucking. Amused. In. The. Slightest. Well, by a Russ win anyhow. His behavior is a different matter.


But frankly KF and the broader internet need him to lose. He didn't have a case here to begin with. Had he done a DMCA takedown notice even half properly to Google there'd be no case. But that's not what he actually wanted and that's the core absurdity of it all.

No provider wants to be responsible for copyright content hosted by someone the fuck else and we do not need the goddamn notion of a hyperlink regulated tighter for the benefit of the corporate class.
 
It also fucks up internet law more than it already fucking has for greer to get a win. Of any kind.

Given the current political movements on internet censorship I am not. Fucking. Amused. In. The. Slightest. Well, by a Russ win anyhow. His behavior is a different matter.


But frankly KF and the broader internet need him to lose. He didn't have a case here to begin with. Had he done a DMCA takedown notice even half properly to Google there'd be no case. But that's not what he actually wanted and that's the core absurdity of it all.

No provider wants to be responsible for copyright content hosted by someone the fuck else and we do not need the goddamn notion of a hyperlink regulated tighter for the benefit of the corporate class.
Isn't there some expectation that you should go through proper channels like a DCMA request before jumping straight to a lawsuit?
 
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No, he's saying that the sanctions would financially ruin him to a point where he'd be unable to continue the case, thereby, "ha[ving] the effect of dismissing this case."
Is there any truth to this?
Filing shit doesn't cost him anything doesn't it?

Sure having to pay might inconvenience him and he might have ro pay off debt for a long time if he does not want Null seizing Yo Yovanna from him but he can still continue the case unimpeded doesn't he?
 
the order states he has 2 weeks to pay up if he reaches an agreement with hardin but its unclear if he also only has 2 weeks if the judge has to decide the amount. my guess is no
Yeah I think he will just have to aggree to some payment plan and if he defaults that after some long process assets can be seized, still does not impact the case though
 
She sued and won. The court ruled that the defendant had offered a contract and the plaintiff accepted by purchasing the product. The court rejected the puffery defense outright as well as rejecting the attempts of the company to add stipulations to the contract after it had been accepted by the plaintiff.
This case was, of course, critical in completely nullifying older precedent established in Calrissian v. Vader, where the court ruled that the Defendant was permitted to alter the deal, and Plaintiff should pray it is not altered further.

Yeah I think he will just have to aggree to some payment plan and if he defaults that after some long process assets can be seized, still does not impact the case though
What assets does this retard have though? Null can repo his (rented?) car, his bad suit, and a 6-inch HDMI cable. But that said, I agree with everyone else who stated that anything short of Shit Lips being BTFO'd by a judge and told to fuck off is a loss for this site and the Internet. Any shred of 'victory' for this retard will just embolden others to keep going after the site, and encourage further actions that just damage the ability of the Internet as a whole to function as an information vehicle.
 
This case was, of course, critical in completely nullifying older precedent established in Calrissian v. Vader, where the court ruled that the Defendant was permitted to alter the deal, and Plaintiff should pray it is not altered further.


What assets does this retard have though? Null can repo his (rented?) car, his bad suit, and a 6-inch HDMI cable. But that said, I agree with everyone else who stated that anything short of Shit Lips being BTFO'd by a judge and told to fuck off is a loss for this site and the Internet. Any shred of 'victory' for this retard will just embolden others to keep going after the site, and encourage further actions that just damage the ability of the Internet as a whole to function as an information vehicle.
The problem with insane poor people weaponizing the legal system against Josh is that you have to defend against each and every one and there is no real way to recoup your losses, so you slowly lose piece by piece, but if you just lay down and take it or make concessions it emboldens other retarded poor people to line up and take a tilt. Both endings play into 'grand schemes' of people like LFJ, but what LFJ doesn't seem to understand after years of sending penniless retards after Josh, ripping out the backbone of the Internet trying to deprive Josh of his right to exist, and girltalking the wives of CEOs is that LFJ is burning valuable social currency doing this and putting Josh in the spotlight for standing up to it, which in turn brings more people like us to the site who either, through alignment with Josh's ideals, hatred of troons and retards and their rhetoric, or a mental illness of our own happily fund Josh.
Josh can't match LFJ's money, but he doesn't have to, he just has to keep lining his fort with the scalps of IFP pro se retards and people keep donating to him to keep making that happen, eventually LFJ either dies from his rotting body, loses what's left of his mind or decides that having consent accidents in what little time is left in his life might be a better way to spend it than trying to make people forget he's an embodiment of evil.
I submit that Josh defending himself and then taking what little he can as a punishment is a form of cure to pro se IFP retardism, as an example, when Melinda lost and Josh got to take 40 1 dollar bills from her, she kind of just shut up and went away. Then Marshall gave her the best anniversary gift any man could give her and killed himself in front of her and her kids, and before anyone starts wringing hands about that, Melly was a psychopath and told us that she loathed Marshall and more or less said she wanted him dead/gone/banished to the shadow realm. She seems pacified now. Content even. Actual consequences seems to have stopped her from drilling further into the bedrock and focus on herself and being a loving mother to her neglected and parentified children grifting off Marshall's death.
To only real way to punish Greer here is to punish him in ways that hurt him and teach him not to touch the hot stove again, take away his hookerbux, dismiss with prej and slap a vex lit label on him. Deprive him of his angst journal because that is all the legal system is to him, he just wants people to listen to him bitch and whine about how bad he has it and please just give him free money and hookers, it's so little and you're making life so hard for him. But that's not what the system is for, it's for restorative justice, not please drown me in scab covered pussy because I'm so repugnant of a person I have to trade money to touch other humans but I asked really nicely by suing you.
 
I agree with everyone else who stated that anything short of Shit Lips being BTFO'd by a judge and told to fuck off is a loss for this site and the Internet. Any shred of 'victory' for this retard will just embolden others to keep going after the site, and encourage further actions that just damage the ability of the Internet as a whole to function as an information vehicle.
I dont know man, I think this could be easily settled if Josh agreed to have a date with Russ, maybe take him to an Olive Garden or something. His homosexual tendencies are well documented, I dont think hed say no.
 
I agree with everyone else who stated that anything short of Shit Lips being BTFO'd by a judge and told to fuck off is a loss for this site and the Internet. Any shred of 'victory' for this retard will just embolden others to keep going after the site, and encourage further actions that just damage the ability of the Internet as a whole to function as an information vehicle.

There are at least a few thousand people as retarded as Russ that would sue the site, and ANY encouragement to them will fuel their crusade against the Farms. Just look at how tightly Greer holds on to that 10th circuit win that the DJF lawyers won for him? He thinks that because the 'bigger court' ruled in his favour, he should just win!

It would not surprise me if this goes all the way back to people telling Greer how 'special' he is as a child, and that gave him some kind of 'Crippled God Complex'. I am also sure he takes any smile or hint of politeness from a woman as encouragement that she TOTALLY WANTS TO FUCK HIM!

TL;DR, Russ' delusional mind does not need any more retard fuel because it is more energy dense than enriched uranium for his autismo reactor.
 
The problem with insane poor people weaponizing the legal system against Josh is that you have to defend against each and every one and there is no real way to recoup your losses, so you slowly lose piece by piece, but if you just lay down and take it or make concessions it emboldens other retarded poor people to line up and take a tilt.
The best way to deal with this if you can't make it illegal is to be able to do what Dick Masterson(juju the cow) did where you make a profit off of the lawsuits.

Granted this is extremely hard to implement. Basically what I'm saying is Null should make Greer filings into a monthly subscription service. All jokes aside I don't know how to monetize these crazy lawsuits especially because Null really isn't allowed to make them into a show, due to the nature of legal consequences. It is one of the those problems I'll think about but likely won't come to an answer to especially because making money off of KAHNtent is not my forte.
 
I disagree with the idea that Josh has no choice but to fight and smash Greer into the ground. I understand why he and most people take that view, and I held it myself for a long time, but the continued fuckery of the judges in this case have made me increasely skeptical. I know many people think the court is trying to give Russell enough rope to hang himself and shut down any chance of it being kicked back down, and I acknowledge this still could be what they're doing, but I'm not convinced of this. If the judge ever rules on payment of sanctions we'll have a clearer picture of which way the wind is blowing, but so far what I've seen points to this being an uphill battle.

We live in a world with an increasingly extremist leftist legal system and activist judges. This site is automatically put at a disadvantage because we allow naughty no-no words and make fun of Russtard's shit lips. Russell has been given a more-than-usual amount of leeway, and extremely strange things have happened, like the Motion To Undo The Thing That Was Already Done being granted and the 11th circuit's ruling. These are not good signs.

The absolute worst thing that could happen to both the site and the internet is if Greer were to win. I know no one thinks he could win, in a just and sane world there's no chance he could win, but then we all thought the same thing about the Vic case. While I don't think Harden is a complete fuck-up like Ty Beard, the point is anything could happen and victory is not at all guaranteed. If the court continues to send up red flags by coddling Greer I think it would be wise to reexamine what the chances of Null winning even are and if there isn't a way to settle with the Inhuman Homunculas without removing his thread.
 
extremely strange things have happened, like the Motion To Undo The Thing That Was Already Done being granted and the 11th circuit's ruling. These are not good signs.
The justice system by degrees was contorted into a machine to humiliate and demoralize, and afaik thats in large part whats going on here. The UK has a similar situation in a more advanced stage, where their trashcan throwing rebellion was punished by releasing murders and rapists to free up space to give longer sentences to the racist protestors (and they openly stated this to enhance the demoralization factor).

I think it would be wise to reexamine what the chances of Null winning even are and if there isn't a way to settle with the Inhuman Homunculas without removing his thread.
The rationale for why he cant be allowed to win has nothing to do with the problems with the legal system. Greer needs to outright lose or every retarded faggot ever will come running out of spite because they hate this place and would do anything to hurt it. It would be a fraudulent waste of the legal fund to still have options and money left and to not exercise them, the whole point of it was to fight back.
 
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The best way to deal with this if you can't make it illegal is to be able to do what Dick Masterson(juju the cow) did where you make a profit off of the lawsuits.

Granted this is extremely hard to implement. Basically what I'm saying is Null should make Greer filings into a monthly subscription service. All jokes aside I don't know how to monetize these crazy lawsuits especially because Null really isn't allowed to make them into a show, due to the nature of legal consequences. It is one of the those problems I'll think about but likely won't come to an answer to especially because making money off of KAHNtent is not my forte.

I think Null already did that with the legal war chest that he built up. Sure it's not technically profiting in that he can't just go out and spend the money on whores like Greer would do, but it is money that he doesn't have to spend out of his own pocket or from other sources just to keep complete retards who abuse the court system from beggaring him fighting off lolsuits.

I don't think there's a good way for him to profit himself. Anything filed with the court is publicly available to anyone who will pay so he has no monopoly on information. People might be interested in hearing a lawyers perspective on the case, and there are some individuals already filling that niche and making some money from doing so. Josh's own perspective on the case may be interesting, but he's not stupid enough to talk about it while it's on going. Perhaps afterwards he could do a stream specifically about it and take questions from superchats, but people already pay him to talk about other topics so I don't think he'd make that much more than he usually would anyway.

If he did something really funny, like force Greer to sell rights to his likeness to pay off sanctions so he could issue a commemorative coin I'm sure he could make a fair bit of money from that, but it's also something that could only be done after the fact.
 
Russ has made it very clear that he thinks sex is a normal respectable currency. If he can't pay in dollars, it's perfectly reasonable to expect him to work off his debt appropriately.
Federal Reserve Sex Notes sounds like a dystopian Phillip K. Dick (lol) invention.
 
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