Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's a "reflection" in the most basic way possible.

Amon - "takes away" people's bending akin to Aang's energybending.
Unalaq/Vaatu - Avatar State except "dark".
Zaheer - airbending.

Disagreed also about episode length, 13 is nowhere near enough for the amount of material they were flirting with.

Amon reminded me more as Ty Lee, the other character that can take away bending and was a non bender, but they went with the retarded blood bending.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Amon reminded me more as Ty Lee, the other character that can take away bending and was a non bender, but they went with the retarded blood bending.

Nah.
Ty Lee does a tsubo technique, which paralyzes. I never saw that was taking away bending: just paralyzes you.
But yep; i think Bryke's Katara obsession destroyed S1's ending.
Still, Ty Lee best ATLA girl.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Amon and the Equalists were their best idea which they should've ran with for the entire show since all the other ones were almost universally retarded.

Amon was a good leftist coded villain. Right down to him being secretly a fraud, a bender, and a power hungry hypocrite that only cares about destroying his enemies. Even down to working with the actual powerful of his society. When the show released I hated that reveal but looking back in hindsight it's a shockingly accurate caricature of a leftist. If Amon was a real person he'd be a twitch streamer and a friend of Vaush, Destiny, and Hassan Piker and be complaining about the rich while living in a Beverly Hills mansion getting checks from Jeff Bezos.

 

[Incecticyder]

Amon was a good leftist coded villain. Right down to him being secretly a fraud, a bender, and a power hungry hypocrite that only cares about destroying his enemies. Even down to working with the actual powerful of his society. When the show released I hated that reveal but looking back in hindsight it's a shockingly accurate caricature of a leftist. If Amon was a real person he'd be a twitch streamer and a friend of Vaush, Destiny, and Hassan Piker and be complaining about the rich while living in a Beverly Hills mansion getting checks from Jeff Bezos.

I also liked the other villains (apart from Unalag, I have my limits). The Red Lotus think that the world would be at peace without order and everyone would be smelling the flowers just because there are no kings only to realise that they created a breeding ground for warlords and tyrants. A good and accurate combination of anarchists and hippies. Idiots tried to kill the one person preventing the rise of such monsters purely out of a lack of understanding of human nature.

Kuvira, on the other hand saw a vacuum. She saw a need. Bandits with no army to stop them were taking over villages and destroying lives. No one wanted to do something about it so she did. The people like Suyin who could stop all this and bring order decided not to so why should she. Others were willing to let the country be turned into a banditocracy like Northern Mexico but that would backfire in the long term. If she was not imprisoning non-Earthbending Benders and did not try to take over the United Republic, she would not even be considered evil. She overdid it but she started from a solid mindset.

 

[starborn427614]

While it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, I'm kinda glad the Avatar is much younger in the new show because it immediately torpedoes ANY chances of a retarded love triangle that plagued Korra's first two seasons.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Amon was a good leftist coded villain. Right down to him being secretly a fraud, a bender, and a power hungry hypocrite that only cares about destroying his enemies. Even down to working with the actual powerful of his society. When the show released I hated that reveal but looking back in hindsight it's a shockingly accurate caricature of a leftist. If Amon was a real person he'd be a twitch streamer and a friend of Vaush, Destiny, and Hassan Piker and be complaining about the rich while living in a Beverly Hills mansion getting checks from Jeff Bezos.

Nah, Amon was just a good idea badly handled. He doesn't work as a leftist-coded villain because the vast majority of the most insane leftist ideologues in world history were total true believers and if you really wanted to draw parallels with the real world, you could have him working alongside the elites like Tarrlok (which he didn't do in the actual show contrary to how you remember it) as a "bad guy" foil which is actually what happened quite a few times. He doesn't work as a Stalin inspired figure or a Mao inspired figure.

Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a concrete motivation. He isn't doing it for power and he isn't doing it for True Believer reasons and he also hated his dad so he wouldn't be doing it for him. They kind of forgot to give him an actual motivation after the big reveal which shows you how badly the whole thing was thought through.

Kuvira is pretty similar as a half-assed Hitler inspired figure which makes it even funnier that she's the only antagonist that Korra actively tries to redeem.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a concrete motivation. He isn't doing it for power and he isn't doing it for True Believer reasons and he also hated his dad so he wouldn't be doing it for him. They kind of forgot to give him an actual motivation after the big reveal which shows you how badly the whole thing was thought through.

Does any villain in Korra has a good justification for their action?

 

[starborn427614]

Does any villain in Korra has a good justification for their action?

Kuvira wanted to unite the Earth territories under one banner, I think?

 

[Oilspill Battery]

While it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, I'm kinda glad the Avatar is much younger in the new show because it immediately torpedoes ANY chances of a retarded love triangle that plagued Korra's first two seasons.

My car's top speed is 200kmh.

The fact that it can only achieve said speed by falling off a cliff is irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[Incecticyder]

While it's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, I'm kinda glad the Avatar is much younger in the new show because it immediately torpedoes ANY chances of a retarded love triangle that plagued Korra's first two seasons.

Korra had a love triangle because of the INTENSE shipping culture developed by the original show. "If you can't beat them, join them." By having official couples, they kept the fanbase fed.

Nah, Amon was just a good idea badly handled. He doesn't work as a leftist-coded villain because the vast majority of the most insane leftist ideologues in world history were total true believers and if you really wanted to draw parallels with the real world, you could have him working alongside the elites like Tarrlok (which he didn't do in the actual show contrary to how you remember it) as a "bad guy" foil which is actually what happened quite a few times. He doesn't work as a Stalin inspired figure or a Mao inspired figure.

Amon is a PERFECT fit for both Mao and Stalin. Their countries starved but I am willing to bet that their dinner tables were ALWAYS filled with food. Amon wanted to take away bending but then he would be the only bender amongst them. Like a god among mortals. He would make the world more unequal than it ever was. With one bender having absolute power over every non-bender. And even his kids would inherit his bloodbending. Even if you lose your bending, you can still have bender children. Bloodbending royalty that can defeat ARMIES just by thinking about it. How is that for equality?

Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a concrete motivation. He isn't doing it for power and he isn't doing it for True Believer reasons and he also hated his dad so he wouldn't be doing it for him. They kind of forgot to give him an actual motivation after the big reveal which shows you how badly the whole thing was thought through.

Amon wanted to eradicate bending despite being a bender even though depowered benders can still have bender children and so can non-benders. This is hypocritical. He hated his own bending but still used it.

Kuvira is pretty similar as a half-assed Hitler inspired figure which makes it even funnier that she's the only antagonist that Korra actively tries to redeem.

To be fair, Korra was way too rash and aggressive before the time skip. Zaheer was given a chance to help Korra with her PTSD while Amon and Unalag fucked themselves over way too much. Kuvira also raised the best points: If you let the Earth Kingdom devolve into anarchy, everyone will suffer. Someone needed to take charge. And the best options (Suyin and Toph) decided not to.

Does any villain in Korra has a good justification for their action?

Only Kuvira. Amon had the chance to do positive change but chose to be a megalomaniac because of daddy issues. He could have easily become something like a politician who fought for the non-benders and tried to unite people but his daddy issues, self hatred and messiah complex went in the way. Unalag wanted power. Zaheer wanted anarchy in a very misguided understanding of human nature.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Korra had a love triangle because of the INTENSE shipping culture developed by the original show. "If you can't beat them, join them." By having official couples, they kept the fanbase fed.

The sad thing is that the original didn't have any point for shipping since the show very much showed immediately every romantic pairing without any complications (barring death). Any love triangle was from coom brained viewers who saw every positive interaction as a sign of sexual attraction, which is exactly what happened when they backed down to the lesbian pairing.

Amon is a PERFECT fit for both Mao and Stalin. Their countries starved but I am willing to bet that their dinner tables were ALWAYS filled with food. Amon wanted to take away bending but then he would be the only bender amongst them. Like a god among mortals. He would make the world more unequal than it ever was. With one bender having absolute power over every non-bender. And even his kids would inherit his bloodbending. Even if you lose your bending, you can still have bender children. Bloodbending royalty that can defeat ARMIES just by thinking about it. How is that for equality?

Having a villain with a good point turn out to be hypocritical is the worst thing to do with it since it's sidestepping the entire conflict because the author couldn't get out of his comfort zone. The writers were too chickenshit to actually say anything about non benders since it has a lot of bad implications. It's how you get absolutely retarded "all air nomad children are air benders" copouts.

 

[Incecticyder]

The sad thing is that the original didn't have any point for shipping since the show very much showed immediately every romantic pairing without any complications (barring death). Any love triangle was from coom brained viewers who saw every positive interaction as a sign of sexual attraction, which is exactly what happened when they backed down to the lesbian pairing.

Yeah, that is true, the shippers were retarded but, nonetheless, it was a shipping war. Also, I am fine with Asami being with Korra. There was no right answer as no pairing had developed far enough to be truly satisfying. They needed more episodes per season. Korra broke up with Mako (and he tried having it both ways to an extend by taking the sheltered Korra for a ride) and she never saw Bolin as an actual love interest. Might as well as have Korrasami at that point.

Having a villain with a good point turn out to be hypocritical is the worst thing to do with it since it's sidestepping the entire conflict because the author couldn't get out of his comfort zone. The writers were too chickenshit to actually say anything about non benders since it has a lot of bad implications. It's how you get absolutely retarded "all air nomad children are air benders" copouts.

Ok, first things first. While it is sad that we ended up with a hypocrite, it is also reasonable to point out that such individuals usually end up being hypocrites. They swapped one good lesson for another one which is also good: "Do not always think that others mean what they say, at least not exactly." Did Amon believe in his cause? Yes. Was it a pointless cause that would only cause further strife in the long run? Yes. He was a small hypocrite rather than a big one. He truly believed in his dream but he would never be able to achieve it. His version of "equality" was fragile and false. His dream did not need bloodbending. It needed the Dragon Balls to wish bending away. He was not a hypocrite by choice. Bending can never truly go away in the Avatarverse.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah, that is true, the shippers were retarded but, nonetheless, it was a shipping war. Also, I am fine with Asami being with Korra. There was no right answer as no pairing had developed far enough to be truly satisfying. They needed more episodes per season. Korra broke up with Mako (and he tried having it both ways to an extend by taking the sheltered Korra for a ride) and she never saw Bolin as an actual love interest. Might as well as have Korrasami at that point.

I'm not, two hetero characters turning lesbians because they communicated. It shows everything wrong with shipping mentality. Characters twist to serve the audience's fetishes rather be be a part of a consistent world.

Ok, first things first. While it is sad that we ended up with a hypocrite, it is also reasonable to point out that such individuals usually end up being hypocrites. They swapped one good lesson for another one which is also good: "Do not always think that others mean what they say, at least not exactly." Did Amon believe in his cause? Yes. Was it a pointless cause that would only cause further strife in the long run? Yes. He was a small hypocrite rather than a big one. He truly believed in his dream but he would never be able to achieve it. His version of "equality" was fragile and false. His dream did not need bloodbending. It needed the Dragon Balls to wish bending away. He was not a hypocrite by choice. Bending can never truly go away in the Avatarverse.

Something being realistic does not mean it is narratively enjoyable (which sums up the last decade of bad Hollywood writing). You have a question of non benders' place in the world and have a setting that coincides with countries going from aristocracy to democracy. Instead of giving an answer the show just says that it's pointless to talk about it and non benders should stick to being second class.

 

[Incecticyder]

I'm not, two hetero characters turning lesbians because they communicated. It shows everything wrong with shipping mentality. Characters twist to serve the audience's fetishes rather be be a part of a consistent world.

Ok, let me make this clear: Neither Korra nor Asami are lesbians. They are bisexuals. They are still attracted to men but they are dating each other. Did that serve some of the audiences fetishes? Yes but any pairing would turn on someone. Personally, I think that the greatest flaw of TLOK is the lack of time spent with the main cast. No pairing would have felt that satisfying with so few episodes.

Something being realistic does not mean it is narratively enjoyable (which sums up the last decade of bad Hollywood writing). You have a question of non benders' place in the world and have a setting that coincides with countries going from aristocracy to democracy. Instead of giving an answer the show just says that it's pointless to talk about it and non benders should stick to being second class.

I think that the argument could be that there is no true answer. Benders can do everything non-benders can, non-benders cannot do everything benders can. They will always have an advantage. The best thing we can do is admit that and still give them equal rights like how a talented person is equal to an untalented person in the eyes of the law. If you want a definitive answer to that kind of question then I am sorry but I do not think there is one to give.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Ok, let me make this clear: Neither Korra nor Asami are lesbians. They are bisexuals. They are still attracted to men but they are dating each other. Did that serve some of the audiences fetishes? Yes but any pairing would turn on someone. Personally, I think that the greatest flaw of TLOK is the lack of time spent with the main cast. No pairing would have felt that satisfying with so few episodes.

Bisexual is just a cop out. They were straight and then they were carpet munchers because the fans wanted them to be.

I think that the argument could be that there is no true answer. Benders can do everything non-benders can, non-benders cannot do everything benders can. They will always have an advantage. The best thing we can do is admit that and still give them equal rights like how a talented person is equal to an untalented person in the eyes of the law. If you want a definitive answer to that kind of question then I am sorry but I do not think there is one to give.

So they shouldn't raise the topic anyways.

 

[Incecticyder]

Bisexual is just a cop out. They were straight and then they were carpet munchers because the fans wanted them to be.

Anything can be a cop out if you consider it such. It has been used as a cop out though but that does not mean every instance is such. Let us not jump the gun. This is not like when DC made Robin (Tim Drake) "bisexual". The characters were not out of character.

So they shouldn't raise the topic anyways.

They just said where they stood. Not every problem can have the perfect solution. Sometimes the only choice you have is to pick your poison.

 

[Chilson]

Anything can be a cop out if you consider it such. It has been used as a cop out though but that does not mean every instance is such. Let us not jump the gun. This is not like when DC made Robin (Tim Drake) "bisexual". The characters were not out of character.

The fuck are you even talking about? They BLATANTLY did a last minute lesbian hook up to appease shippers. Both characters had shown NO interest in either each other or women in general prior to that point. They both went after the same fucking guy FFS.

Your delusional if you think this was in character (what little exists) for either of them.

 

[Incecticyder]

The fuck are you even talking about? They BLATANTLY did a last minute lesbian hook up to appease shippers. Both characters had shown NO interest in either each other or women in general prior to that point. They both went after the same fucking guy FFS.

Your delusional if you think this was in character (what little exists) for either of them.

That was before DEI mandated lesbian relationships. There was a time that was like that back then. Also, bisexuals are attracted to both genders. Yes, both male and female for those are the only real ones (which is a real point of conflict for the queers btw). The problem is that the show did not develop the main cast enough, period. It had way less episodes than the OG. Everything feels last minute because of this. To their credit, they put more interactions for Korra and Asami in season 3 but it was still not enough for many. That is how shippers work. Korrasami was more of a meme ship anyway. Honestly, Katara and Aang were basically stated to be the OTP from EPISODE 1 and that did nothing to stop the Zutara shippers from throwing a fit. Korrasami was just one choice out of many bad ones. The shippers would revolt no matter what and that is the truth.

In my opinion, if they could not negotiate full 24 episode seasons, they should have put it on hold until they could. This approach satisfied nobody.

 

[Mary Lee Harvey osWalsh]

That was before DEI mandated lesbian relationships. There was a time that was like that back then.

Disagree. I remember seeing a lot of discourse about Korra and Asami before it actually happened and a lot of people demanding it be canon. This was well after everyone and their brother started claiming to be bisexual for oppression points.

To be fair, Bryke apparently said that they were intending for them to get together in the last couple seasons but they couldn't be overt about it because Nickelodeon or something. But even so, it felt completely out of nowhere and it did feel like a fan appeasement.

Yes, they are bisexual but think about it this way: if one of them had dated a woman, broke up with her, and then the show ended with her happily with a man, think about the utter screeching the fans would do about lesbian erasure and all that bullshit.

 

[cactus]

Korra had a love triangle because of the INTENSE shipping culture developed by the original show. "If you can't beat them, join them." By having official couples, they kept the fanbase fed.

Shippers were behind Korrasami, they had nothing to do with the love triangle, Bryke like romance but they suck at writing it.