Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

Nah, Korra is perfect backdrop to handle anti-bender sentiment. During Aang's lifetime, everything was tribal, and the tribes were based on the bender element. You were in the EARTH KINGDOM whether you could actually bend earth or not. Tribe, not bending ability, was how people understood their identity and lives.

Then you get to Korra's era and you have Republic City, a city where people from all the nations live together. Removed from the tribe, how do people decide to view their role in society? Bending and not bending. Its frankly the biggest difference between people at that point. Either you have devastating powers or you don't. And if you don't, you're certainly going to be pissed when the government and the police are made up of benders.

I think the issue with the whole bending vs non-bending is that it represents a much bigger creative problem: the creators inserting simpleton examinations of political philosophy and having it clash with the world they created in the first place. The Avatar world is not like X-Men where there is a clear grey area to the conflict between humans and mutants. While also having a mystery as to why mutants even exist in the first place.

In Avatar, bending is apart of a greater spiritual and Devine connection to the world. Where the people understand that there is greater power and balance to the world that all four nations have key parts to maintaining. Now maybe that was kind of the point to Korra: how people were losing sight of the greater spiritual balance to the world and the impact that was having on society. Some of that was explored in the first series: the Fire Nation thought they were greater than spiritual harmony and could do whatever they want without repercussion.

But in Korra, ignoring how they changed and completely butchered the concept of the spirit world, they handle it so poorly. It is understandable why the real world takes so many turns at different times in regards to culture, religion and politics associated with those things because there is always going to be a debate about what lays ahead and what is real. It is harder to model the Avatar world after the modern world because people actually do know what the afterlife is and how there is spiritual balance to the world they live in. It would be like having an atheist exist when there is literally no arguable doubt that god exists.

Obviously you can have different conflicts emerge since there are still numerous ways for the world they built to evolve and change. But you have to know how to approach them correctly when the way you setup the world previously limits the way things would play out in our real world.

I think even the writers got into a mess because the air nomads yeeted their non bending children since they physically can't get off the mountain temples.

That isn't true. The Air Nomads were the only nation of the four to not have any non-bending members of its society. That whole thing about only air benders only being able to access the temples is also not true.

It has been stated in some of the expanded material that each nation had roughly an equal amount of benders within them at around somewhere in the thousands range. Despite being the largest nation of the four, the Earth Kingdom had the least amount of benders per the size of its population wherein the Air Nomads had the largest amount despite their small population size.

 

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In Avatar, bending is apart of a greater spiritual and Devine connection to the world. Where the people understand that there is greater power and balance to the world that all four nations have key parts to maintaining. Now maybe that was kind of the point to Korra: how people were losing sight of the greater spiritual balance to the world and the impact that was having on society. Some of that was explored in the first series: the Fire Nation thought they were greater than spiritual harmony and could do whatever they want without repercussion.

I think the big issue in Avatar is that it's never understood how much of bending is spiritual and how much is mechanical, with the show flipflopping between the two. Korra would have been interesting if anti benders went into magitech. Maybe used animals capable of bending for their technology.

That isn't true. The Air Nomads were the only nation of the four to not have any non-bending members of its society. That whole thing about only air benders only being able to access the temples is also not true.

It has been stated in some of the expanded material that each nation had roughly an equal amount of benders within them at around somewhere in the thousands range. Despite being the largest nation of the four, the Earth Kingdom had the least amount of benders per the size of its population wherein the Air Nomads had the largest amount despite their small population size.

It sounds like an asspull to avoid bad implications, especially as Aang had a non bending son.

Plus having that limited amount of benders makes the fire kingdom colonisation make even less sense.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

And like I said, you can't really have bending aristocrats. If anything actually using bending in daily life is the equivalent of doing blue collar work.

And I'll just point to the fact that in our world, its typically the wealthiest people who are able to spend the time and resources to become great at mundane activities. Jake Paul's able to become a great boxer precisely because his family's wealth gives him the free time to train and get good at the sport.

 

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And I'll just point to the fact that in our world, its typically the wealthiest people who are able to spend the time and resources to become great at mundane activities. Jake Paul's able to become a great boxer precisely because his family's wealth gives him the free time to train and get good at the sport.

I wouldn't put Jake Paul at anywhere near aristocracy, he's pinnacle nigger rich.

But it does raise the way more interesting subject of aristocrat vs. merchant class conflict post industrial revolution that could have been applied in the Avatar univese. Having previously top ranking bender families lose their money and status and even having their techniques become common knowledge would have been an interesting development.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

Another article was posted Knight Edge Media a few days ago. Claims the title of the show will be Avatar: Seven Havens and will initially be 26 episodes long. It provides several more details about the plot.

 

[starborn427614]

Another article was posted Knight Edge Media a few days ago. Claims the title of the show will be Avatar: Seven Havens and will initially be 26 episodes long. It provides several more details about the plot.
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>Both believe they are the Avatar
Can they both bend all four elements? If not, that's a mystery that'll be solved very quickly.

 

[Chilson]

>Both believe they are the Avatar
Can they both bend all four elements? If not, that's a mystery that'll be solved very quickly.

They are going to do the stupid "dark avatar" shit with the other sister being the "light" avatar. It will either end in the "dark avatar" realizing the error of their ways and reconciling with their sister or they will pull the "modern" writing cliche of making it so the "dark avatar" isn't actually evil and the sisters have to do the fusion dance to save the world. Remember this post if this waste ever gets to its final episode and that happens.

That or they are both dual benders and the avatar "spirit" is split between them. Which would only be slightly less terrible than them re-introducing the dark avatar nonsense again. I still expect it to be equally terrible in execution regardless though.

Its not surprising since they are just doubling down on the same shit that killed anyone's excitement for Korra in its second season (and crapped all over ATLA's worldbuilding) with shitskins rather than natives. All you have to do is think of the hackiest fraudiest thing the people behind this could do and you have a 95% chance of being right.

 

[Rockzo]

Another article was posted Knight Edge Media a few days ago. Claims the title of the show will be Avatar: Seven Havens and will initially be 26 episodes long. It provides several more details about the plot.
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>Both enter the avatar state.
>Roku's Twin (Not mentioned in ATLA)
>Single voice actress doing twins.
>Raava/Vaatu shit again.

It's so stupid. They really will do everything to ignore ATLA. 20 years since the show aired and not one continuation follows the Ehasz lore.

 

[cactus]

>Both enter the avatar state.
>Roku's Twin (Not mentioned in ATLA)
>Single voice actress doing twins.
>Raava/Vaatu shit again.

It's so stupid. They really will do everything to ignore ATLA. 20 years since the show aired and not one continuation follows the Ehasz lore.

I wonder if they're ignoring AtLA because other hands were involved? Because that's fucking retarded of them.

 

[Fellen]

I don't expect this new Avatar show to be good. Aaron Ehasz did the heavy lifting and it showed when he wasn't involved in The Legend of Korra.

 

[starborn427614]

I don't expect this new Avatar show to be good. Aaron Ehasz did the heavy lifting and it showed when he wasn't involved in The Legend of Korra.

The fact that romance doesn't seem to be an angle already puts it above LOK for me, so it has that going for it at least. It's the rest of the shit I don't have faith in right now.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I don't expect this new Avatar show to be good. Aaron Ehasz did the heavy lifting and it showed when he wasn't involved in The Legend of Korra.

well if you insist, go on then. watch the dragon prince if you're so inclined

 

[cactus]

well if you insist, go on then. watch the dragon prince if you're so inclined

From everything I heard about the Dragon Prince, Aaron is not an idea guy, he's the guy with helpful suggestions.

 

[Fellen]

well if you insist, go on then. watch the dragon prince if you're so inclined

Seasons 1-3 were good, but then he got into some controversy and promoted a woman as head writer and then it went to shit.

 

[Aquarius]

What is with these people and designing one-legged characters using specialized expensive running prosthetics 24/7 instead of normal day-to-day use prosthetics?

How to Train Your Dragon and its consequences have been a disaster for character designs, and thus, the human race.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I don't expect this new Avatar show to be good. Aaron Ehasz did the heavy lifting and it showed when he wasn't involved in The Legend of Korra.

Aaron Ehasz wasn't the only writer of significance on The Last Airbender. There's a shitload of people that contributed and even more than never even got credited (for example, J.J. Abrams wrote a part of The Drill episode. Yes, THAT J.J. Abrams).

Korra's issues weren't just down to the writing but that a lot of the ideas that Bryke had for the show were just plain fucking retarded. Even if they got the original writers, you couldn't salvage much unless they were straight up told to go back to the drawing board.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Korra's issues weren't just down to the writing but that a lot of the ideas that Bryke had for the show were just plain fucking retarded. Even if they got the original writers, you couldn't salvage much unless they were straight up told to go back to the drawing board.

I'm not sure about it. A lot of the ideas are solid, but the payoffs are abysmal:
* Bender and non Bender inequality - Actually it was a bender manipulating it and no one talks about the issue ever again.
* Young Adult Avatar exposed to both the upper and lower class - She just fucks both of those and the class difference is never brought up between the groups.
* Natural balance of the world - Instead of embracing the new change they force a new status quo that fucks everything up.
* The avatar fucked everything up - the only people complaining are portrayed as out of touch. Never brought up afterwards.
* New benders coming to existence - A long fetch quest.
* The Avatar gets paralyzed - She gets cured after moping around.
* Instability in the Earth Kingdom - Fascism is le bad.

It's like they are too afraid to actually commit.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I'm not sure about it. A lot of the ideas are solid, but the payoffs are abysmal:
* Bender and non Bender inequality - Actually it was a bender manipulating it and no one talks about the issue ever again.
* Young Adult Avatar exposed to both the upper and lower class - She just fucks both of those and the class difference is never brought up between the groups.
* Natural balance of the world - Instead of embracing the new change they force a new status quo that fucks everything up.
* The avatar fucked everything up - the only people complaining are portrayed as out of touch. Never brought up afterwards.
* New benders coming to existence - A long fetch quest.
* The Avatar gets paralyzed - She gets cured after moping around.
* Instability in the Earth Kingdom - Fascism is le bad.

It's like they are too afraid to actually commit.

Amon and the Equalists were their best idea which they should've ran with for the entire show since all the other ones were almost universally retarded.

Unalaq is basically an evil cultist with no redeeming features and barely a motivation to speak of. Even his family ties to Korra end up irrelevant in the end.

The Red Lotus are fanfiction-tier stupidity where Zaheer is basically the only slightly interesting aspect due to the novelty of having an evil airbender.

Kuvira ends up being a discount Azula with some insanely on-the-nose Hitler parallels which become absolutely hilarious since she is the only villain that Korra tries to actively redeem.

I'm more talking about the overall structure of the show being designed as "three books featuring three different villains which all reflect a different aspect of Aang plus a fourth book featuring a villain that should be a dark reflection of Korra plus let's make all the villains into half-assed political allegories" which with 13 episodes per season would be a Herculean feat to satisfactorily pull off for even the most talented creator.

 

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I'm more talking about the overall structure of the show being designed as "three books featuring three different villains which all reflect a different aspect of Aang plus a fourth book featuring a villain that should be a dark reflection of Korra plus let's make all the villains into half-assed political allegories" which with 13 episodes per season would be a Herculean feat to satisfactorily pull off for even the most talented creator.

I don't see the reflection of Aang, at most all villains have their own idea of balance, but Korra is just stuck as being boring status quo keeping mary sue. The villains themselves always turn as evil and/or retarded so any actual moral conflict never happens.

13 episodes are plenty for all of those. But what ends up is a whole lot of nothing happening and bad relationship drama.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I don't see the reflection of Aang, at most all villains have their own idea of balance, but Korra is just stuck as being boring status quo keeping mary sue. The villains themselves always turn as evil and/or retarded so any actual moral conflict never happens.

13 episodes are plenty for all of those. But what ends up is a whole lot of nothing happening and bad relationship drama.

It's a "reflection" in the most basic way possible.

Amon - "takes away" people's bending akin to Aang's energybending.
Unalaq/Vaatu - Avatar State except "dark".
Zaheer - airbending.

Disagreed also about episode length, 13 is nowhere near enough for the amount of material they were flirting with.