Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

To be fair George was more against Ted Turner and other heads going back and colorizing old films who's directors had long passed then being against directors themselves tinkering with their own movies after the original release.

Exactly. It wasn't hypocrisy to George, because Star Wars was his shit, so it's his to fuck with, whereas Ted Turner was fucking with films whose original makers didn't sign off on what he was doing.

Which is incredibly true, "upscaling" often fucks with the art design, and just adding color to a black and white film is often bad.

It depends. I saw some upscaled Command and Conquer cutscenes last night, they were done rather well. It depends on the person doing the "upscaling" just as much.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

I'll never get tired of seeing people endlessly parrot the narrative that the OT is only good because of Fox and Lucas' team keeping him in line, and that it was the rest of the team who are actually responsible for thr OT coming out as well as it did.

Jesse Gender

The "I hate sand" scene is two very broken people trying to be normal.

Padme's a child queen who has given up any sense of a normal adolescence to be a politician that actually fights for the good of her people. she simply has no time to be a normal girl or young woman.

Anakin's never had a chance to grow to be a normal young man because his teenage years were stuck in essentially a monastery. He's had Padme on his mind the whole time, and I suspect in no small part because he was never allowed a normal teenage relationship with girls.

Throw them together and they clearly want each other but don't know how. Remember how awkward you were in high school trying to be cool and debonaire, but in looking back you can see just how awkward and pathetic you were? That's where Anakin is. He's trying to sound like he's an awesome guy but he's just fumbling the whole time. Padme knows it's wrong to get involved with him for many reasons, but he's got her moister than an oyster. But she's also fumbling because she has no life experience to fall back on. Even after he confesses to killing the sand people and she's thinking "I'm in love with a human time bomb" and even after the scene where they say they both know it's wrong and can't let it go on, she still says when they're being led into the arena to be executed that she loves him. She simply doesn't know how to say "no" and mean it because her background meant she didn't have a normal childhood.

They were both set up for failure by their lives. They were simply never going to have a "happily ever after" story because of her political life and his Jedi life. Once she got pregnant, Anakin's days as a Jedi were numbered. He couldn't have her and the Jedi and would never give her up.

The PT was very much a Greek tragedy just like the OT was very much the archtypical Hero's Journey.

See all that stuff is good in theory, I understand that's what it's going for and I love the direction it's just that the actual movies aren't reflective of the quality of the ideas. They're just kinda headache inducing and hard to watch. Better than the ST? Oh yea definitely, the ST is smug marvel style shit, but not good

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Which is incredibly true, "upscaling" often fucks with the art design, and just adding color to a black and white film is often bad.

It much worse as the clothing, sets and etc. were picked as they would look best in a black and white film and TV. As they had varying shades of black, grey and white on film to work with. With the wardrobes colors needing to correspond with they look in black, grey and white.
When "colorized" newer audiences are wondering why the fuck that clothing is even wore, much less chosen by the directors, wardrobe and etc.

 

[Adamska]

It much worse as the clothing, sets and etc. were picked as they would look best in a black and white film and TV. As they had varying shades of black, grey and white on film to work with. With the wardrobes colors needing to correspond with they look in black, grey and white.
When "colorized" newer audiences are wondering why the fuck that clothing is even wore, much less chosen by the directors, wardrobe and etc.

Again, there's a reason why I Love Lucy for example had pink plants in shots; that pink makes it look green and lifelike in black and white. They also did have a choice in filming in color, they intentionally chose not to.

And I'd maybe support George on editing his stuff if he did not also damnatio memoriae the original cuts while forcing you to only take his edited slop. That's the big reason people shit on him for the hypocrisy, since most other films you can still GET the theatrical cut officially; you have to get fan edits now because of his take on the matter. It also doesn't help that I personally find the majority of the edits don't really add the much or actually detract from the film. Return in particular has this problem the most.

If you want to, you could argue that kind of mentality has lead to digitized copies of entertainment that can at any point be ripped from you due to wrongthink forcing it away or a push to get the remake HD version of it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Again, there's a reason why I Love Lucy for example had pink plants in shots; that pink makes it look green and lifelike in black and white. They also did have a choice in filming in color, they intentionally chose not to.

And I'd maybe support George on editing his stuff if he did not also damnatio memoriae the original cuts while forcing you to only take his edited slop. That's the big reason people shit on him for the hypocrisy, since most other films you can still GET the theatrical cut officially; you have to get fan edits now because of his take on the matter. It also doesn't help that I personally find the majority of the edits don't really add the much or actually detract from the film. Return in particular has this problem the most.

If you want to, you could argue that kind of mentality has lead to digitized copies of entertainment that can at any point be ripped from you due to wrongthink forcing it away or a push to get the remake HD version of it.

I'm pretty sure someone already uploaded the original 1977 cuts online. At this point, nobody gives a fuck about that. Hell, the original cuts I saw were the 1977 cut from the VHS. And by this point, the 1977 cut has been uploaded to the web and can be downloaded in multiple ways.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I'm pretty sure someone already uploaded the original 1977 cuts online. At this point, nobody gives a fuck about that. Hell, the original cuts I saw were the 1977 cut from the VHS.

I like the original cuts and the Special Edition cuts from the nineties but I don't like the DVD releases. I care.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I like the original cuts and the Special Edition cuts from the nineties but I don't like the DVD releases. I care.

Then avoid the DVD releases.

If you guys really want the original released in DVD or streaming format, make an official request to Disney. Garner enough votes so that they can notice you, and make a formal request. Since they own it now, Lucas can no longer plug his ears and ignore it. I'd have thought that the OT purists would've taken advantage of THAT particular opportunity, now that Lucas no longer owns Star Wars.

If people really wanted the original 1977 cut that badly, they'd have made that request the moment Lucas sold out to Disney, and they'd have campaigned for it. And since it doesn't step on anything SJW, Disney would've acceded to that request. Hell, Disney spent the mid-2010s trying to satisfy OT fans with TFA and Rogue One. Getting them to release the original 1977 cut of Star Wars would be the ultimate appeasement, and it would've made them heroes to the OT purists.

Instead, that's not what happened. People instead began to fanboy over the Prequels and rehabilitate Lucas' image despite him In Damnation Memoriae-ing the original 1977 cut of Star Wars. Nowadays, if you walk among Star Wars fans who were alive in the 2000s, and you try to shit on Lucas, expect a punch to the face.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

If you guys really want the original released in DVD or streaming format, make an official request to Disney. Garner enough votes so that they can notice you, and make a formal request. Since they own it now, Lucas can no longer plug his ears and ignore it. I'd have thought that the OT purists would've taken advantage of THAT particular opportunity, now that Lucas no longer owns Star Wars.

The company that has told us multiple times that they don't like us, don't want us, and have never even pretended to care about our preferences? That Disney? And don't misunderstand me, I'm not an OT fanatic or anything, I like the PT plenty. I just think that the OT I grew up with (The special edition and OG VHS copies) are the ones I like best. I think the additions of later releases just don't add enough to interest me and one of the things that I love about the OT is how tight it is with its runtime.

 

[Adamska]

The company that has told us multiple times that they don't like us, don't want us, and have never even pretended to care about our preferences? That Disney? And don't misunderstand me, I'm not an OT fanatic or anything, I like the PT plenty. I just think that the OT I grew up with (The special edition and OG VHS copies) are the ones I like best. I think the additions of later releases just don't add enough to interest me and one of the things that I love about the OT is how tight it is with its runtime.

In fairness, I'd not be shocked if one of the stipulations of the buy out was you couldn't release the Theatrical Cut at all, at least until he's dead or the estate releases the permit. I'm mainly saying that because it's a very quick cashgrab the Rat could've actually pulled off otherwise early on; before Force Awakens made them go full malicious retard.

There's a lot of weird clauses like that when it comes to business; it's why shit like Star Trek Discovery had to change so much due to rights issues, and why they did that stupid crap with Namor in Black Panther 2; both of them didn't have perfect rights to use them. It's also why McDonalds has the malfunctioning ice machines; it's due to proprietary contracts with the maker forcing them to use these hard to clean sumbitches that take hours to do right.

Contract law is fucked.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The company that has told us multiple times that they don't like us, don't want us, and have never even pretended to care about our preferences? That Disney? And don't misunderstand me, I'm not an OT fanatic or anything, I like the PT plenty. I just think that the OT I grew up with (The special edition and OG VHS copies) are the ones I like best. I think the additions of later releases just don't add enough to interest me and one of the things that I love about the OT is how tight it is with its runtime.

Disney, especially in the early years, was all about trying to appease OT purists, to the point where their new Battlefront game didn't have any Prequel stuff, and they relegated Filoni to writing kids' cartoons instead of finishing TCW, which they canceled. They were more than open to fellating the OT purists, especially if it's at Lucas' expense. TFA was made with that very same philosophy. They would be more than open to release the original 1977 cut of Star Wars, just to bury Lucas and show how much better they were. The problem is, there wasn't much of a fan movement to ask them. So instead, the fans started boot-kissing Lucas and the PT, so even Disney tried to sate that with PT nostalgia by finishing TCW.

In fairness, I'd not be shocked if one of the stipulations of the buy out was you couldn't release the Theatrical Cut at all, at least until he's dead or the estate releases the permit. I'm mainly saying that because it's a very quick cashgrab the Rat could've actually pulled off otherwise early on; before Force Awakens made them go full malicious retard.

One of the stipulations was that they would use Lucas' treatments for the Sequels. They threw that shit into the garbage can. So no, their stipulations with Lucas were not binding. They were more like those handshake agreements that get tossed out the moment it's convenient.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Disney, especially in the early years, was all about trying to appease OT purists, to the point where their new Battlefront game didn't have any Prequel stuff, and they relegated Filoni to writing kids' cartoons instead of finishing TCW, which they canceled.

We are no longer in those early years my friend, in fact we are far past them and I doubt Disney or Lucasfilm ever actually cared about the "OT purists" as you called them, especially since it would have been a free money machine to rerelease the original and 1990's special edition cuts of the movies as soon as they got the property if what you think is true and Lucas' agreements with them are not in fact legally binding.

The reason they seemed to care about "OT Purists" is because OT Purists are a bunch of whiny pissbabies who hadn't shut up for over two decades and let people who actually like the prequels talk and so the rat took the safe way out that was sure to print money. And for two or three movies it did.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

We are no longer in those early years my friend, in fact we are far past them and I doubt Disney or Lucasfilm ever actually cared about the "OT purists" as you called them, especially since it would have been a free money machine to rerelease the original and 1990's special edition cuts of the movies as soon as they got the property if what you think is true and Lucas' agreements with them are not in fact legally binding.

The reason they seemed to care about "OT Purists" is because OT Purists are a bunch of whiny pissbabies who hadn't shut up for over two decades and let people who actually like the prequels talk and so the rat took the safe way out that was sure to print money. And for two or three movies it did.

The problem is, the OT purists didn't make that request in droves, back in 2015. If they made that request, it would be another way for Disney to dunk on Lucas and make easy money appeasing the OT purists. You saw Disney; you saw how easy they caved to the Filoni fanboys when those fuckers were around. The Sequels crashed, the TCW fans got uppity, and in a panic, Disney allowed Filoni to be in charge because his work made money.

Disney is a money-grubbing whore, not a principled SJW. They'll bend the knee to anyone if it'll make them money. They've even allowed reprints of old SWEU content to appease the SWEU fanboys, and now, they're working on a Filoniverse Mando film because TCW fans are not only loud, but numerous.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Saw this new fan film on youtube.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Saw this new fan film on youtube.

People have been wishing for something like that for ages.

Especially since anime is very well-suited for dark sci-fi that goes beyond the traditional good-vs-evil fantasy scenario. A Thrawn Trilogy in the same style as an anime OVA would be something similar to works such as Cowboy Bebop or the Universal Century Gundam OVAs like 08th MS Team, 0083 Stardust Memory, and War in the Pocket.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Saw this new fan film on youtube.

nice, but it's no Tie Fighter

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

nice, but it's no Tie Fighter

Did someone say TIE Fighter?

 

[Dr Cruel]

"Luke, forget about using the force, instead take it in the ass! DO IT FOR DIVERSITY'S SAKE!!!"

Luke already took it in the ass.

 

[Male Idiot]

Tie fighter, fun anime, fun game.

Mark Hamill is ready to take it up the ass to own his nemesis, Darth Rump.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

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Luke already took it in the ass.

He's certainly voiced characters that sound like they take it up the ass. I mean, the DCAU Joker sounds like the kind of guy you'd find in a gimp club.

 

[Gondolindrim]

The People vs. George Lucas, the documentary that really started the chain of events that led to where Star Wars is today. The RLM reviews could be ignored, but this, I think, was what made George call it quits.

It's been up on youtube for a while, so might as well archive it here.

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Mark talking about how they tried to get him in the documentary to trash George
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As a little extra, Hot Waffles' tastefully-titled tune - "George Lucas Raped Our Childhood"!
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It really is prophetic, when you think about it. Everything people hated George for back in the day is what's missing from major cinema now; creativity, vision, a concrete plan, a director who stands up for himself and doesn't submit to corporate. Again, not saying he's a perfect man but you look at the MCU or Fast and the Furious raking in billions of dollars for being dumb and safe and written up by committees and it really feels like people were begging for mass produced slop.

But hey, at least we get practical effects again right?