Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Not a bee]

He must be seething with (impotent) rage at reading that. He's also been forced to pay fees before, so he knows how that works. There's also another set of fees looming, so his life is pretty much unraveling now, along with his mind. Just last summer he was literally homeless and even though it seems he somewhat bounced back from that, losing $5000 is going to change that.

It's just amazing how completely unnecessary he ruined his own life with a lot of things, but especially with this.

Now that you pointed that out, I think there is a real chance here that we will see Russ have a mental breakdown soon. Moreso than his usual.

On an unrelated note, Hardin is my favourite animal. Godsneed that man.

 

[Maude Snew]

Look at that! Even Barnes and Rekieta can be useful sometimes!

Nick's usefulness is debatable and greatly depends on how many unwashed, unfed eight year that aren't on cocaine you have around. Barnes is another story entirely. He's a pro at getting around shouting "FRANKS!", he'd make a killing as a ballpark hot dog vendor, best I've ever seen in fact.

 

[Jimmy Dean Bowl]

You couldn't write a movie script about this case, it would be rejected for being unrealistic, not reflective of court procedure, and far too biased toward the plaintiff.
You literally couldn't make it up.

(Im)patiently awaiting the next saga in Things That Make Null Bang His Head Against the Wall.

 

[Pill Cosby]

All this could have been avoided had the cruel world give him a boyfriend-free pop star girlfriend.

 

[Emanems]

He can't appeal to the Admirality court because he is not an admiral. I, however, by virtue of Stolen Valor am, and therefore I will hear his case.

Dear Maffhew Hardship:

Sanfshions of a State Court don't *spit* apply to me according to the confstitution as I am travelling (not driving) and residing in my car (not part of any state).

Sent via maritime signal flags from my vessel (car)

 

[Swole McPole]

I am absolutely certain his fee-slashing policy indicates he actually enjoys smacking down lolsuits.

I have to say, if I were a lawyer I think I'd be hard pressed to find more interesting work than fighting off the massed array of tards who repeatedly go after null/kiwifarms. And at this point, it definitely has to be a labour of love.

Also, how often do lawyer's get to feel you're doing God's work? At some point, my wife gave up her family law practice to become a mediator. Although she felt less guilty about it because she wasn't raping people for their remaining assets at a time when they could least afford it, she still hated it because 95% of her cases were still Entitled Scumbag vs Entitled Scumbag. They just happened to be the variety of Entitled Scumbags who both had the foresight not to piss ALL of their assets away in a futile and costly legal battle.

I imagine this sense of loathing must be much greater in other areas of legal practice, so having even one client that allows you to feel as though you're doing the kind of work you came into the law to do must be very gratifying.

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

To be fair, Null is a pretty nice consistent gig for Mr. Hardin. It sounds like it's a very fair rate either way, but from a business perspective it must be pretty sweet for a solo attorney to have a well oiled client that has a retard lawsuit lightning rod up his ass.

On a more personal level, him being willing to represent the farms this openly with all the abuse that must get him is particularly ballsy and to be admired.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

This has been my favorite development in this entire affair. Even with Null yelling at us to not give Russ advice, even with us discussing and trying to figure out Hardin's legal strategy in a thread Russ reads, what happens? Russ surprises everyone by putting in writing from a verifiable source and sending it to his opposition saying fuck the court and their rulings. Nobody had that on their bingo card. It's magical. I hope this is the wake up call for the judge and Russ gets butt fucked into an even bigger, gibbering mess, destitution, and irrelevance. Russ, you dumb whore fucker.

 

[Meat Target]

This has been my favorite development in this entire affair. Even with Null yelling at us to not give Russ advice, even with us discussing and trying to figure out Hardin's legal strategy in a thread Russ reads, what happens? Russ surprises everyone by putting in writing from a verifiable source and sending it to his opposition saying fuck the court and their rulings. Nobody had that on their bingo card. It's magical. I hope this is the wake up call for the judge and Russ gets butt fucked into an even bigger, gibbering mess, destitution, and irrelevance. Russ, you dumb whore fucker.

Shouldn't this outburst qualify as contempt of court?

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

I propose Josh ask for his copyrights and the rights to his likeness, then he can lease those rights out to people to craft....whatever we want. Russell and The Mystery of the Golden Hookerbot. Russell coloring books.
A niche but passive income while also promoting creativity and letting people make fun of a monster.

 

[analrapist]

I propose Josh ask for his copyrights and the rights to his likeness,

Russ is too vexatious. You need a concrete, coherent plan. Someone suggested the commemorative coin. So the Kiwi team proposes a value of $1000 for using Russ' likeness on a commemorative silver coin to be sold (in part as a fundraiser, but you never provide someone like this any more detail than absolutely necessary). Russ knocks one grand off the bill for free by just letting us celebrate. It's a win-win, unless he's an idiot, which he very well is. I could not bring myself to buy a coin with Chris' cursed visage, but I'd buy one of Russ. This court case has been the quintessential lolsuit for me.

 

[lol cow supreme]

All this talk of taking his intellectual property to satisfy judgements. No. Take stake in brothel business along with naming rights. Name it Chuck's, formerly Sneed's...

Seriously though

That's also increadibly merciful. Hardin could have asked for three times that and probably gotten it. All moot anyway since Greer probably doesn't have 50 dollars, let alone 5000

There is this concept out there that if someone doesnt have the money or loses all the money, they dont owe the money and no one will come out for it. Whether it be FoodieBeauty or austingamble crippling tax debts, or in this instance with Geer potentially owing $5000 being "moot" because he's broke. Just because someone is broke today, does not mean they will be broke tomorrow.

First, 5 grand is not an unsurmountable amount of money for anyone, let alone a business man who owns multiple intellectual properties and LLC's. Its not like the judge is ordering 5 million.

The award should be as sky high as possible, and in this regard I'm kind of disappointed in Hardin for not going after the maximum, because these numbers are deterrents against others wanting to vexatiously litigate against the site or null directly. I can see the value in why he was modest in his approach, and not going for the maximum likely removes any real argument from Greer's rebuttal denying him that win of talking down the fees.

But going after the 5 grand even if at the moment Greer, or anyone, has absolutely nothing is absolutely worth it. Greer wont always have nothing. He eeks out a living, and garnishing those wages even for just $50 every 2 weeks for years, will grind on Greer that entire time. It removes $50 of luxury, maybe some chapstick for that drooling mouth, or his favorite bed time snack gets removed from the grocery list. Greer wants to open a brothel, but has trouble raising money. Having a negative debt on his credit gives him even more trouble even if the brothel is through an LLC. That mere $5,000 will be a thorn in Greer's side until it is cleared. Its not about taking money from someone who has nothing, its a claim against anything they might get in the future. Maybe he finds a winning lotto ticket, or gets a great job...well the joy of the first payment is gone because it belongs to null.

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

Shouldn't this outburst qualify as contempt of court?

If he hasn't been cockslapped for contempt already, he's not going to be.

Also, the judge hasn't ordered him to pay anything yet because the final costs haven't been determined. Once the judge settles on an amount, if Russ continues to be obstinate, I'm assuming that will only multiply the fees and increase the risk of the case being thrown out.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Shouldn't this outburst qualify as contempt of court?

He hasn't actually defied the court yet. The sanction amount isn't final, he hasn't been officially ordered to pay anything yet, so he isn't in breach of a payment ruling against him yet. He might get to "refuse" to pay for a while by appealing, I'm not sure how that works or if it's even properly appealable right now. But for actual contempt of court, he'll have to get a payment deadline with a payment amount and miss it.

That email isn't doing him any favors for the future, though.

According to his lawsuit against the brothel owner he scraped together $10k to act as seed money for a loan to buy the property the other guy owned.

Friend, I don't know how to break this to you, but... Russell Greer frequently lies in his filings.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Also, how often do lawyer's get to feel you're doing God's work? At some point, my wife gave up her family law practice to become a mediator. Although she felt less guilty about it because she wasn't raping people for their remaining assets at a time when they could least afford it, she still hated it because 95% of her cases were still Entitled Scumbag vs Entitled Scumbag. They just happened to be the variety of Entitled Scumbags who both had the foresight not to piss ALL of their assets away in a futile and costly legal battle.

I imagine this sense of loathing must be much greater in other areas of legal practice, so having even one client that allows you to feel as though you're doing the kind of work you came into the law to do must be very gratifying.

Transactional work, especially estate planning, means you have clients who are there voluntarily, not because something went wrong, and who are thinking about the future. Probate administration can also involve normal people, although sometimes you get a greedy heir messing things up for everyone.

Litigation pays way more on a per-client basis, though.

 

[obsdj]

The award should be as sky high as possible, and in this regard I'm kind of disappointed in Hardin for not going after the maximum

Keep in mind, this bill is only for a very specific period of time within the case during which Greer fucked around in a very specific area of discovery. It's not like this five grand is the only thing we're going after him for. By the time the case reaches its inevitable end, someday, I would expect the full case's worth of fees and costs over all these years will amount to a very high sum indeed.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Shouldn't this outburst qualify as contempt of court?

No. But it will piss off the Judge as it shows continued recalcitrance in the idiot Plaintiff. And it shows Sanctions do nothing. It doesn't become Contempt until the Judge actually rules on the amount. The Judge will be more pissed about Shitlip's continuing refusal to engage with Defendants attorney. And his declaration that he will challenge every ruling and order ever higher up the chain, like every other pro se informa pauperis retard always does. It doesn't qualify as contempt of Court. But it does tell the Judge this gamesmanship will never end. Increasing the likelihood that the Judge just says Fuck It and tosses the whole thing.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Sanfshions of a State Court don't *spit* apply to me according to the confstitution as I am travelling (not driving) and residing in my car (not part of any state).

Constitution isn't real, retard. Patrick Tomlinson told me so, and he knows this sorta stuff.

I'm not sure how that works or if it's even properly appealable right now.

It's not. See, broadly:

Not necessarily. In Law v. National Collegiate Athletic Assoc, 134 F.3d 1438 (10th Cir. 1998), the 10th Circuit held that "Sanctions [...] generally are not deemed final appealable orders under 28 U.S.C. § 1291." as long as that sanction is civil in nature. Particularly, where the Judge orders merely to make the victims whole, as here, the sanction is civil, and not immediately appealable as per National Collegiate Athletic Assoc. See also Valentine v. James River Ins. Co., No. 22-1175 (10th Cir. Jul. 13, 2022) ("First, we conclude that Ms. Valentine may not immediately appeal the district order that related to discovery and to the conduct or progress of litigation. Second, we note that the district court has not imposed any sanctions on Ms. Valentine, but that an interlocutory sanctions order otherwise would not be immediately appealable.")

 

[YouTube Autist]

His arrogance is incredible. This is the sort of shit someone comes out with when they're on cocaine. We know Russell doesn't use drugs, so what the actual fuck is fueling him?
I know, it's delusion and hubris but it really does stun me sometimes.

It's like a child having a tantrum. "I DON'T WANT TO EAT BROCCOLI I WANT TO EAT CANDY INSTEAD. I DON'T LIKE BROCCOLI AND I DON'T HAVE TO EAT IT. SO THERE."

But for actual contempt of court, he'll have to get a payment deadline with a payment amount and miss it.

I think that Russell will absolutely ignore it until the moment men show up at his door to drag him away to jail, or to confiscate his stuff, or whatever happens to you if you insist on ignoring this sort of thing. I think that the more this case escalates, the greater aversion Russell will have to "giving in" and complying willingly.

I interpret Russell's behavior lately as avoidance punctuated with spasmodic bursts of angry, frustrated defiance. Hardin sends him a half-dozen emails, which he simply ignores, and then the next email provokes a reply to the effect of, "I'm right about everything, you (and the judge) are wrong about everything, I agree to nothing, I concede nothing, go away, Sent from my iPhone." Russell tries to ignore Hardin until Hardin's repeated emails provoke him to an outburst, and usually that outburst is brief and doesn't reflect much consideration. It only functions to discharge Russell's annoyance at being persistently bothered by Hardin.

Maybe if this comes to an actual trial in a courtroom, Russell's enthusiasm will be engaged by fantasies of showing up and knocking everyone dead with his studly legal skills, but there's no way to make a glamorous fantasy out of all this complicated and demoralizing emailing and motion-filing. Russell's behavior seems overwhelmingly motivated by fantasy -- as we've seen, the merest wisp of a mirage of pop stardom or brothel ownership has been sufficient to occupy him for months and months.

This present lawsuit has gone from fuel for a fantasy (presumably one involving Russell grasping fistfuls of cash while dancing on Null's grave) to a mundane, inconvenient slog. Because it doesn't feed his fantasies, Russell simply tries to avoid it until it goes away by itself. This is why I anticipate Russell will fail to willingly comply with payments. But perhaps I'll be proven wrong.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Russell coloring books

Do they come with a special clear crayon?