Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

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No, guys, I got a really good feeling about this one. This is only the 4th or 5th time in the entirety of this case that a court has either blustered at Greer and then cucked, made an insane ruling, or broken its own rules! Obviously Greer needs more rope to eventually, one day, hang himself and the judges are just giving him what he needs. Don't think anything about it, the process is the punishment and this doesn't indicate anything at all! Null is going to street race Greer to the grave and we're all along for the ride!!!!
 
The whole thing becomes more understandable when you realize that courts pretend lawyers work for free 99% of the time, until they don’t.

Also, if this was a real case and not a lolawsuit, denying any witnesses would be a huge blow, so large that an appeals court might overturn it and instead say fee sanction should be used.
 
No, guys, I got a really good feeling about this one. This is only the 4th or 5th time in the entirety of this case that a court has either blustered at Greer and then cucked, made an insane ruling, or broken its own rules! Obviously Greer needs more rope to eventually, one day, hang himself and the judges are just giving him what he needs. Don't think anything about it, the process is the punishment and this doesn't indicate anything at all! Null is going to street race Greer to the grave and we're all along for the ride!!!!
Weird Internet stalker bullies from a hate site hate him for this one simple trick.
 
btw it's not $1k anymore, we've graciously deducted the $225.25 he says I owe him, so only $774.25 is left.
Now thats the real first loss of this case...

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Man this has been a wild 60 pages, farms finding a dead witness before Greer, sanctions proposed and the court once again breaking all the rules to coddle the retard. All the highs and lows of a good story.

Obviously the defendants should be out of pocket $4000 for the plaintiff being at this point maliciously retarded.

I look forward to the next 2 arcs of sanctions and Greer somehow further torpedoing his case by stipulating to gimp himself again. Maybe Hardin can get him agree to not testify next so Greer can play hardmode legal hardmode with no witnesses, evidence or testimony?

Though at this stage it looks like Hardin can use the handicap since Russ' plight powers seems to have melted the judges brain slightly to be a bit more smooth.

Remember all the procedural fuckups in this case can be referenced in future cases in the district of Utah so they shouldn't be suprised if every single sanction request now has an immediate response by parties disputing it. In other words the magistrate and judge are setting themselves up for much future suffering.
 
There can be aggravating and mitigating factors in determining an appropriate sanction (I'm cribbing from the quickest source so can't give citations atm; it's also a list oriented to Rule 11, but the general considerations are about the same; good enough for internet work/ trust me bro):
I don't think reasoning pertaining to Rule 11 is really apposite. Rule 11 is a "may impose." Rule 37 pretty clearly says "must."
(5) Payment of Expenses; Protective Orders.

(A) If the Motion Is Granted (or Disclosure or Discovery Is Provided After Filing). If the motion is granted—or if the disclosure or requested discovery is provided after the motion was filed—the court must, after giving an opportunity to be heard, require the party or deponent whose conduct necessitated the motion, the party or attorney advising that conduct, or both to pay the movant's reasonable expenses incurred in making the motion, including attorney's fees. But the court must not order this payment if:

(i) the movant filed the motion before attempting in good faith to obtain the disclosure or discovery without court action;

(ii) the opposing party's nondisclosure, response, or objection was substantially justified; or

(iii) other circumstances make an award of expenses unjust.
It provides a pretty big catch-all in (iii), but generally, broadly worded catch-alls like that (another example would be FRE 807 the so-called "residual exception" which allows admission of evidence falling under no other rule) are disfavored and require some reasoning as to why they're being applied.

And the metric for the award is not calculated based on deterrence. Even though the purpose of the rule itself is deterrence, the size of the award must be related to the "reasonable expenses incurred in making the motion, including attorney's fees."

The discretion is largely in what the judge believed were "reasonable expenses incurred in making the motion, including attorney fees." Meanwhile, the ruling is completely bereft of any reasoning related to the reasonableness of the expenses (including fees). In fact, the judge even openly admitted in a footnote not even to have read the relevant filing by Hardin, so it's essentially an admission he just pulled the number out of his ass.

This is despite the fact that the rule governing objections to magistrate findings specifically requires de novo review.

In any event, the language of the rule itself is what Goodyear is based on, and the mechanism (only fees and expenses reasonably related to the motion) is clearly compensatory, the same textual reason the Court applied in finding it compensatory and not allowing deviation upwards.

It's just a sloppy ruling in about every way it could be.
Not saying I wouldn't argue it's an unreasonable amount, especially given how much Hardin already trims his bills and what he submitted, but the Rule doesn't require that the sanction amount equal attorney's fees.
It doesn't require that the sanction equal them, but it does require it be based on costs and fees, not whatever the judge pulls out of his ass. Here, the amount awarded is completely untethered from any consideration of the reasonableness of the costs and fees.
 
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If Greer somehow pays the $1k his IFP status should be immediately revoked. Some nigger what can pay $1k can afford filing feefeez.
But what if paying the $1k makes him a pauper again?

I want this to be the first case where one party has pauper status specifically due to their own actions in that very case.
 
I want this to be the first case where one party has pauper status specifically due to their own actions in that very case.
He has basically claimed that to the court in his plightsperging about being homeress and how he can't get a real job or sell his music because those dang ole Kiwi's talk about things he's done in the past and continues to do like harassing hookers and random women and his continuing campaign to change prostitution laws in NV so he can basically build the MGM Grand but with hookers.
 
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only $1k for this degree of RECALCITRANCE is a joke.
The attorney fees to Skordas over Ariana Grande were $1500, which is why I'm glad Hardin brought up this isn't Russell's first sanction. Not only isn't this the first, it's a THIRD LESS than the first

And the Ariana Grande suit was a shitty little small claims case resolved in an hour, not a 4 year long federal suit with discovery sanctions!

David Barlow the illiterate Judge just told Russell "Don't worry, the punishments in big boy real court are much nicer and easy going than small claims!"
 
If Null ever gets the money from greer he should hire a hooker and take her to a fine dining establishment such as Olive Garden. Defiantly should post the pictures of them having a good meal, after all he needs to take his mind off things in these trying times.
I honestly fully expect Greer to refuse to pay and it looking really badly on him as a result. Courts really don't like it when they order you to pay money and you refuse to do it. It'll also look really badly on him if he attempts to appeal or defend himself against the claim he's a vexatious litigant.
 
Whether Rusty files his spurious appeal or not, Mr Hardin has brought the Skordas feltening to the court's attention.

Hopefully that should factor in when he inevitably fails to show cause again.

Don't forget to forward a copy of that restraining order! Keep an eye on those multiple deadlines instead of menacing whores on twitter! :)
 
btw it's not $1k anymore, we've graciously deducted the $225.25 he says I owe him, so only $774.25 is left.
Hmm: $225.25 + $774.25 = $999.50...
WHERE'S THE FIFTY CENTS?

Seeing as I had to check a Greer document to verify it was $225.25 I'm awarding the $0.50 to me to cover having to read that document to update paynull.
 
I honestly fully expect Greer to refuse to pay and it looking really badly on him as a result. Courts really don't like it when they order you to pay money and you refuse to do it.
Russ is Lawful Evil, if a judgement comes down he'll feel somehow bound to follow it. He'll appeal it beyond reason and denounce it as unfair, but ultimately he thinks the courts have legitimacy. Live by the lawsuit, die by the lawsuit.

It'll also look really badly on him if he attempts to appeal or defend himself against the claim he's a vexatious litigant.
I suppose it depends on the quality of the appeal. The district judge clearly has no respect for his arguments, and seems to be indicating he's at Stage 1 of Fed Up With This Crap. If Russ hits a second streak of recalcitrance, or misses more deadlines while pleading the same excuses, that probably gets him on the vexatious shitlist (even if the magistrate is still on his trial deathmarch).

It's always possible Russ surprises us all and does a real argument, with his first proper citation in 4 years. But will he be on his 2nd strike when he pulls that off, or will he have screwed up so badly he's replaced Josh as TIN for the judges to punish? I think if he actually goes for the pro hac vice revocation, he's speedrunning the latter path.
 
Russ is Lawful Evil, if a judgement comes down he'll feel somehow bound to follow it. He'll appeal it beyond reason and denounce it as unfair, but ultimately he thinks the courts have legitimacy. Live by the lawsuit, die by the lawsuit.
I don't think he respects the courts at all I think he just sees them as a tool to harass people he doesn't like. And as soon as that tool is used against him he doesn't think it's fair or reasonable.
 
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