Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Mac Monster]

Reviews for Cap 4 are coming out, and yeesh:
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If you dig into the summaries, even the "positive" reviews have more disclaimers than a pharmaceutical ad. Aside from the critics who are mad that it doesn't try to play into modern politics (which is retarded given the political situation in a world of capeshit is going to be grossly different from ours anyway), it's mostly a bunch of "well this sure is an MCU movie." It sounds like yet another by-the-numbers movie, made worse by constant reshoots and disjointed editing.

Of course, you also have the shills pretending that nothing's wrong, like good ol' lolcow Moviebob:
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Judging from the summaries, though, Bob's in the minority with regards to the positive reviews. Critics are either outright dunking on it or calling it mediocre overall.

These reviews ensure that Captain Jigaboo is going to have massive drop-offs after its opening weekend. Marvel films already have poor staying power at the box office. They typically open big due to fanboy hype but peter out rather quickly, doubly so for the ones that get shit reviews.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I’ve seen people claim that the movie assumed Kamala won. No idea if it’s true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[The Token Ethnic]

Avengers Endgame did feel like an event (and it was, don't get me wrong).

This was for Infinity War, but I went to see it at my nearest run-down theater, and it was packed. When the movie reached the scene with Peter Dinklage, some stoned black guy shouted, "THEY MADE THE MIDGET BIG?!" and the entire audience burst into uncontrollable laughter. That made for a fun screening.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I’ve seen people claim that the movie assumed Kamala won. No idea if it’s true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

I don't when the last reshoots were, but Kamala wasn't even the nominee until well after principle photography wrapped.

 

[el bandito loco]

Conversely I was at a screening of The Dark Knight Rises, and during the big finale my mate leans over to me and whispers "Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb."

I nearly ruptured a lung trying not to laugh.

I did laugh my ass off at the midnight show for Rises as a teenager. Once was because the theater was packed and entirely silent the whole time and my best friend leaned over to a total stranger (some 40 year old man) when there's some shot of catwoman from the back getting on the bike and said "you know what buddy? she's too skinny for me, but I'd shove my dick up her ass so far you'd have to send a search party in after me." and the poor guy choked on some popcorn.

the other time was the lord of the rings cops vs bad guys charge into battle I thought I was hallucinating or something that was the most ridiculous shit I'd ever seen.

when we saw Endgame at it's opening night years later, that same friend was dead silent until the final battle when Captain Marvel showed up and went "oh great, here comes SUPER DYKE" and the only people who reacted to it was a group of black dudes a couple rows in front of us started cracking up.

Having been to pretty much every superhero movie it's opening night since my dad took me to X-Men in 2000, TBH I kind of hate the event film thing. I still go and I'm not going to begrudge people for getting really into it and reacting but it gets on my nerves to have a bunch of motherfuckers clapping and cheering every time something happens or a guy walks in the frame and part of my problem with blockbuster movies since Avengers 1 is the weird pacing of scenes where they literally stop for a second to give the audience time for this. Once you see it you can't unsee it. character walks into frame, stops for a second and stands there or delivers a line like I'm back/here I am/here comes the cavalry/etc. every big movie has done this the last 15 years and it drives me nuts

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So the new batch of Spider-Man episodes dropped, not going to full pros and cons list since it actually felt mostly decent this time, like there isn't much for me to really say about these episodes.

Though there is setup for Norman to be the Goblin, and its neat they show signs that he is going to not be the best mentor with how he's encouraging Peter to go all out, even twisting the "Great responsibility" expression to "great respect" and how he seemed to care more about getting back at Doc Ock.

Speaking of which, Doc Ock and Scorpion had pretty good showings in this batch with Scorpion probably having the best fight scene (which was more brutal than I expected) in this entire show, Doc Ock also had a pretty cool action sequence too, and I like how this show generally handles those villains. Chameleon also is introduced and his costume is pretty good.

Really the biggest gripe this show has is how much its connected to the wider Marvel universe since we have Iron Man helping save the day (probably going to backfire since the season didn't really end) and Daredevil appeared to show that Norman is slightly shady, but my god while Charlie Cox gives a good voice performance, the fight scene with Daredevil is awful.

Another issue is that another person finds out Peter is Spider-Man, so its like 3 people know his identity now. It feels like secret identity stuff in superhero media is something that is just rushed out of the way for the supporting cast to know, and this isn't just for Spider-Man.

Overall right now, the show is decent but the greater Marvel universe stuff is really kneecapping it along with Peter being just so bland.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I'm not surprised. I have noticed Marvel pushing Spider-Man to be an escapist character, which to be fair, he is. There are some legitimately positive things in his life. He usually has at least one attractive love interest, he has exciting adventures, and his spider powers are both fun and neat.

That being said, that's not why he is popular. Marvel is aiming to make him just a kid having wacky adventures, but they are forgetting the whole relatability aspect of his character. No Way Home felt like a return to form, in that they stopped pampering Peter so much. I've seen people complaining about this ever since Disney re-acquired the rights to make cartoons about Spider-Man. Since Ultimate Spider-Man, through this show's predecessor, and this latest one, they have strayed away from the spirit of the character.

I think most people didn't notice because we are familiar with the usual relatable Spider-Man. But definitely newer generations are missing out, given the three latest reboots have been terrible first impressions for them. I won't be surprised if teens and kids in the future end up feeling meh about Spidey because they only know his bland Spider-Boy adventures.

 

[el bandito loco]

I think most people didn't notice because we are familiar with the usual relatable Spider-Man. But definitely newer generations are missing out, given the three latest reboots have been terrible first impressions for them. I won't be surprised if teens and kids in the future end up feeling meh about Spidey because they only know his bland Spider-Boy adventures.

yeah, if your childhood Spider-Man exposure is just these cartoons and the Holland movies you wouldn't understand Spider-Man at all. the 90's show hasn't aged all that well overall (mainly because of asinine censorship making it weird with laser guns and weird shit like that) but it and the Raimi movies at least understood Peter's life is supposed to suck in a way your life also sucks, or you at least easily understand. he's broke, his job sucks, he fucks up, as Peter and Spidey there are people who just plain dislike him for no reason even though he tries, he's constantly forced to lie to or blow off his closest people to protect them and because he has responsibilities, he always tries to do the right thing and it doesn't always work out and sometimes overwhelmingly backfires, he's always dealing with other people's personal bullshit, etc.

The Garfield movies, the MTV show, and the later Spectacular cartoon all got this to varying degrees too. most current Spider-Man stuff barring the Miles movies seem to miss it. He's just off having middle of the road adventures with no real personal stakes or sacrifice, only superficial stop the bad guy ones. Spider-Man's his escape and catharsis from his personal shit. what's he escaping from if he's just got a nice pleasant life? I don't need him to have nothing good in his life, just something going on to latch onto besides he's got superpowers and does shit.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

so if brave new world fails

just how large a dump truck full of money are they going to drive up to chris evans house in order to use secret wars to bring steve rogers back?

 

[Kyria the Great]

Honestly given the middling to outright hostile reviews going to confirm this is an absolute mess of film, how much money do you think Brave New World is going to lose?

 

[King Dead]

Honestly given the middling to outright hostile reviews going to confirm this is an absolute mess of film, how much money do you think Brave New World is going to lose?

Well, despite the fact that it's getting meh reviews and doesn't seem to have much buzz around it, I'm not going to be completely pessimistic here for a simple reason: there's really nothing else out to watch.

Looking at my local theaters, your options at all three this weekend are Cap 4, Paddington in Peru, Heart Eyes, Love Hurts, and Dog Man. Of those, two are kids' movies, one is a slasher, one is an action romcom (with even worse reviews), and one is Cap 4. Only two are new releases, Cap 4 and Paddington. So if you're just looking for some basic action movie to watch and you're not into horror, it's pretty much gonna be Marvel. It'll probably be number one at the box office, though I will laugh my ass off if Paddington does better than it (it honestly should, the Paddington movies are great).

The real question is staying power. There's not a huge number of big movies coming out over the next few weeks, and those that are might not really cannibalize the same audience. I'd say the closest would be Mickey 17 on March 7, then Novocaine on March 14. That means it should have a couple weeks without much major competition, though it's hard to say for sure; maybe a bunch of people would rather see The Monkey next week than Cap 4.

So my prediction is that I don't think it'll be a bomb on par with The Marvels, but I think it'll probably still be a weaker entry overall, especially as word of mouth gets around. I have doubts it'll break even in the end, no matter how much Disney tries to lie about it having a "low" budget.

 

[The Paleblood Vessel]

Well, despite the fact that it's getting meh reviews and doesn't seem to have much buzz around it, I'm not going to be completely pessimistic here for a simple reason: there's really nothing else out to watch.

Looking at my local theaters, your options at all three this weekend are Cap 4, Paddington in Peru, Heart Eyes, Love Hurts, and Dog Man. Of those, two are kids' movies, one is a slasher, one is an action romcom (with even worse reviews), and one is Cap 4. Only two are new releases, Cap 4 and Paddington. So if you're just looking for some basic action movie to watch and you're not into horror, it's pretty much gonna be Marvel. It'll probably be number one at the box office, though I will laugh my ass off if Paddington does better than it (it honestly should, the Paddington movies are great).

The real question is staying power. There's not a huge number of big movies coming out over the next few weeks, and those that are might not really cannibalize the same audience. I'd say the closest would be Mickey 17 on March 7, then Novocaine on March 14. That means it should have a couple weeks without much major competition, though it's hard to say for sure; maybe a bunch of people would rather see The Monkey next week than Cap 4.

So my prediction is that I don't think it'll be a bomb on par with The Marvels, but I think it'll probably still be a weaker entry overall, especially as word of mouth gets around. I have doubts it'll break even in the end, no matter how much Disney tries to lie about it having a "low" budget.

I dunno, when Quantumania came out there was jack shit in terms of action movies in that release window, and the second week for Quantumania had it plummet like a rock. If this gets similar audience reactions to Quantumania, I would expect similar results.

Of course, literally every single prediction I ever make in my entire life is doomed to be wrong no matter how minor, so enjoy me unintentionally making Cap 4 the highest grossing movie of the year.

 

[el bandito loco]

I feel bad for (as bad as you can feel for a guy making the money you do on these things) Anthony Mackie. he's good as Sam, and the production of this movie had to be a fucking nightmare. they filmed and refilmed it differently off and on for like the last 5 years. he probably knew it was going to be mediocre at best, suck balls at worst. he wasted years working on and having to promote this movie. personally, I don't hate the idea of a falcon-cap movie but they gave him bullshit material in the tv show and they gave him an allegory for trump movie that's a stealth hulk movie. if they weren't huffing their own bullshit and made a movie that's just a straightforward superhero movie starring Sam as Cap fighting Dr Faustus, Serpent Society or Sin or something and didn't make it and his show another drop in the bucket in a landscape of shit over the last decade that's characters bitching about America or race, it'd probably have been a hit and the show wouldn't have sucked so much. they were never going to be as big as Steve Rogers Cap projects, but I don't think people would be so down on them. they could have made this the exception to the rule with minority led superhero movies and just made a superhero movie and people word of mouth would have probably saved it. I don't think it's going to make dick because word of mouth will kill it after the next week.

 

[IDontLikeLiberals]

I downloaded Captain America and it was ....ok. Not complete dogshit like I expected. There were a couple of comic booky aspects I liked such as

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Ross using Sterns to calculate the best odds to become president. At least they actually explained where Sterns has been and it wasn't totally retarded.

It *really* wants to be Winter Soldier though.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Thunderbolts is definitely looking to be more Winter Soldier + Black Widow esque, which obviously is right up my alley. Looks like we're getting Red Room flashbacks. There is a rumor that Val is in cahoots with Norman Osborn.

Brave New World feels less like a Captain America film and more like a sequel to The Incredible Hulk if I'm being honest. I wonder what the original concept for the film was?

I'm still waiting for Lucia Von Bardas to appear. Too bad Civil War completely changed Secret Wars plot.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I dunno, when Quantumania came out there was jack shit in terms of action movies in that release window, and the second week for Quantumania had it plummet like a rock. If this gets similar audience reactions to Quantumania, I would expect similar results.

Of course, literally every single prediction I ever make in my entire life is doomed to be wrong no matter how minor, so enjoy me unintentionally making Cap 4 the highest grossing movie of the year.

To be fair, Quantumania is an actively insufferable movie with terrible performances and a script written by a hack who was on Rick & Morty.

Not to mention at least Cap 4 has the novelty of Harrison Ford playing an evil president and Giancarlo Esposito (even if both have little screen time) which are more interesting than boring as fuck Kang and unfunny MODOK both played by mediocre actors.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I can't help but roll my eyes at the spoilers I've read for this clunker of a movie.

It's Japan that's got the USA by the balls ... lmao, anything to not call out your China overlords, right Disney?

lol fuck Hollywood.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

I can't help but roll my eyes at the spoilers I've read for this clunker of a movie.

It's Japan that's got the USA by the balls ... lmao, anything to not call out your China overlords, right Disney?

lol fuck Hollywood.

Imagine if the latest AC game came out this month too! And Kamala winning the election. It's like America was ready to give Japan the South Africa treatment and let it become major African by 2030

 

[el bandito loco]

I actually really like the Incredible Hulk (not as much as Hulk 03 which is a fucking great hulk movie) and wanted a sequel forever but I wasn't sold on Ruffalo in Avengers and what little was there of the hulk character they ran into the ground in the years since. now, we have finally addressed some of those characters but its too late even if it didn't suck and was in things more appropriate to do so than Master of Kung Fu and Blacktain America movies. That movie was 20 years ago lol I was in middle school and I'm older than half of my teachers were then now probably.

 

[Mac Monster]

Honestly given the middling to outright hostile reviews going to confirm this is an absolute mess of film, how much money do you think Brave New World is going to lose?

Disney is obviously lying out of their ass with that 180 million budget. It's probably closer to 250 million, in which case they would need around 600 million to break even. I expect this shit to only make around 400 million, which would make it a 200 million dollar loss.