Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

Frankly it would have been cheaper to hawk our stored tanks and IFVs on Ukraine than to pay to have them melted down for scrap.
That gear is nearing the end of its useful life anyway. How much longer are thousands of baseline M1A1's gonna be useful?

Not the Abrams, and sooooort of the Bradleys. The Bradley is... fuck I forget the technical term, but the US has dropped all requirements from Bradley contractors to maintain the ability to produce new vehicles (that was a mistake for the contractors. imagine the sales now) and requires the Army to have a plan for its phase out, but there isn't viable replacement yet so it is still being deployed and assigned to armored units until said replacement appears. (before anyone starts: the Stryker is an APC not an IFV).

There is also a requirement to maintain stocks of both as "just in case" reserves.
But both vehicles are valuable for the highquality steel used intheir construction if nothing else.

Now shit like ATACMS, Himars, etc - ammo with a shelf life, yes that stuff it is much cheaper to transfer to Ukraine than to try to decom because you can't upgrade it or refurb it without remaking the round.

if he's in a MAGA bubble and ignores professional advice

This is a very real & valid concern. It's in my mind too.
4-8 years ago I'd have told you with complete confidence it was completely unfounded - Putin was in for a shlonging.
This time, I don't think its the case Trump is high his own MAGA supply, but I'm not as certain. Given he gave the initial ground work to an appeasementist like Kellog and is sending (charitably) isolationist Vance to co-lead the team for initial talks.

Those appointments could be some 1837-D chess play to try Putin feel good and important even as Russia is raked over the coals in the negotiations, but that's too deep into c/hopium territory at this time to seriously consider - though I'm not ruling it out.

A long fucking time considering we can just refurb them into the latest M1A2 SEP-whatever models unless the hull has started to completely fail.

Daily reminder the F-15, first flight over 50 years ago, (with upgrades) is still the #2 air superiority fighter in the world.

And of course, if Ukraine grants the USA full basing rights out of say, Odessa, do we now count as a Black Sea power under it?

 

[-Jack-]

But it will be a pretty good day when no such new footage exists anymore.

It’d be nice to see Putin blown up, but that day will never happen.

 

[Jex]

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So that's where the pink triangle comes from.

 

[Sultan Bin Jewstar]

So that's where the pink triangle comes from.
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Only the pink one, yes
The bespoke yellow layer under a pink one is yet to be seen.

 

[Oxyjen]

The Telegraph seems somewhat doompilled today, and I’m inclined to agree.

 

[MG-34]

Yup. The USA was desperate to get an upgraded version of the M1 out in response to perceived upgrades in Russian armor... and then the war breaks out, Russian armor starts exploding, and the USA decides it can hold off on that and take its time to develop a more fuller upgrade package, possibly even a brand new design.

It's the same problem with that SIG garbage MCX program. Everyone was so certain the Russians were going to have super titanium armor plates that could withstand M80 ball and would require Tungsten core M995 ammo to have a chance of defeating with M4A1s. Turns out it was all bullshit and Russia can't even uniformly provide a level IIIA equivalent plate and now we don't need a replacement carbine. Not that the MCX was any good. It's typical Sigshit like the M17.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

But my point is: European leader provably, actually yanks billions in military aid from Ukraine, no one bats an eye and it barely gets mentioned. There are no angry Scholz posts, not pages of people accusing Scholz of being a Russian stooge (despite the fact he is)
Trump talks about the possibility of reducing aid and dumb euroniggers with TDS like @World in Scarlet (who is too much of a bitch to @ or quote when they try to talk shit) lose their fucking minds for months and repeat old disproven lies and post their Trump sex fantasies unprompted.

Also the issue is that Germany + the rest of Europe is still importing Russian gas, just requiring it to go through a 3rd party first

Listen, Yanktard. America is SUPPOSED TO pay for Europe's defense so Europe can have high-spending on social welfare gibsmedats programs! Ergo Germany can't be blamed for cutting aid to Ukraine because that's not their job! Its the job of dumb inbred American hillbillies to be defense tax cattle for Europe, okay? So when Germany cuts aid its just part of the program but when America does it thats NEIN NEIN NEIN NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!

 

[Quindoll]

I don't know what the negotiations will lead to. As pointed out, it's all speculation,

That the threads direction went into the US vs. EU slapfight might not be a good omen though.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Trump on Ukraine: "I don't see any way that a country in Russia's position could allow them to join NATO ... I believe that's the reason the war started."

Not even the Putin claims this. I only ever saw this bullshit on western vatnigger shill accounts.

That the threads direction went into the US vs. EU slapfight might not be a good omen though.

It's MAGAtards shitting up the thread.
They're psychologically the same as vatniggers, just a somewhat different cultural context. Remember how OG vatniggers did the exact same thing in this thread when Russia was getting humiliated. Similar mindset produces similar behaviour.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

These niggas is geekin

 

[World in Scarlet]

These niggas is geekin
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[WelperHelper99]

These niggas is geekin
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Germany needs some reminders of who's the bitch in the US-German relationship. Kek.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

@World in Scarlet What country are you from?

 

[World in Scarlet]

@World in Scarlet What country are you from?

I don't dox myself on Kiwifarms and I suggest everyone does the same.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I don't dox myself on Kiwifarms and I suggest everyone does the same.

Nigga your country is not a dox, holy shit you are paranoid lmao.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Crap he knows I'm an American.
My identity is compromised!

 

[World in Scarlet]

What a gay little group therapy.

I hope the ziggers take note of how to trigger you, but then again they are mostly all MAGA, same as you, for obvious reasons.

 

[Ghostse]

It's MAGAtards shitting up the thread.
They're psychologically the same as vatniggers, just a somewhat different cultural context. Remember how OG vatniggers did the exact same thing in this thread when Russia was getting humiliated. Similar mindset produces similar behaviour.

Look, Eurocuck, you were the one who started posting your weaksauce "Trump owns" back during the campaign days, attempting colonize a thread that wasn't about Trump. So by your analogy, you are the vatnigger: invading a place to shit it up with your retardation and then screeching and crying when it is resisted and your little arguements and justifications proven wrong. I hate to compare HHH to Putin but I guess if the shoe fits.

You are welcome to cease Trump posting at any time and take it to Reddit or your dedicate hugbox thread.

I don't dox myself on Kiwifarms and I suggest everyone does the same.

San Marino fag spotted.

 

[Quindoll]

You could be a perfect supporter of Ukraine and yet you would hardly have any influence on the amount and form of aid.
Oil prices are global. Am I allowed to jerk off because I don't have a car and therefore have much less influence on oil demand than others?
That's silly, especially because most of us fundamentally agree on the subject.

 

[Ghostse]

Nigga your country is not a dox, holy shit you are paranoid lmao.

Now now, remember. Any Eurofag on here is posting on a place riddled with freespeech. Europroles are risking being arrested and imprisoned for committing thoughtcrime (and not being Muslim/African enough) if its discovered they know this place exists, let alone have an account and post.

Am I allowed to jerk off because I don't have a car and therefore have much less influence on oil demand than others?

Here? Not really.
On reddit though? I'm pretty sure its mandatory.