US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[AnotherPleb]

Dude, I live in Australia. Please. Please. Do it! (Do Sydney first pls).

How does the phrase Sydney Bay sound to you?

 

[shekelshoah666]

I honestly don't remember a lot about 2010, I do remember that Joe Miller was a very polarizing and pretty unpopular candidate in general (he's a nice guy in person but really laser focused on his issues, too much so if we're being honest)

For RCV, No On 2 was primarily supported by a group called Alaskans For Better Elections, whose primary donor was "Unite America", which is center-left at best

Turtle himself spent $6.5 million of GOP PAC money to attack Tshibaka which is a fucking unreal amount of money for an election in Alaska. That was enough money to probably win in Arizona + 1 more state for multiple races but he decided to secure Murkowski a win.

Tshibaka was polling almost double digits ahead until basically an unheard of amount of $$$$ for Alaska politics was spent against her and the voters were fooled into RCV. Murkowski is not some sort of miracle candidate who is super popular she is carried across the line by huge $$$$ or shenanigans that help her.

If that money is spent correctly we have 55 senators right now and only 4 max are questionable votes so we can get whatever the fuck we want passed.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Turtle himself spent $6.5 million of GOP PAC money to attack Tshibaka which is a fucking unreal amount of money for an election in Alaska. That was enough money to probably win in Arizona + 1 more state for multiple races but he decided to secure Murkowski a win.

Tshibaka was polling almost double digits ahead until basically an unheard of amount of $$$$ for Alaska politics was spent against her and the voters were fooled into RCV.

Oh I see what you mean, yeah McConnell did some shit to try to torpedo Tshibaka because of her thumbs up from Trump, but I still maintain that Tshibaka wasn't viable due to the other things I mentioned above (plus she sucks as a person but again, opinion)

As far as RCV is concerned, I'm pretty sure its here to stay, the Yes on 2 folks are rallying but I perceive it as popular given that there's so many little niche candidates that wouldn't even get votes otherwise (the AIP boys love it for example)

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Ron Paul also didn't help himself when he snubbed off the NRA. Love them or hate them him doing that cost him a lot of support.

Turns out he was right, the NRA doesn't get things done anymore.

 

[NSA Intern]

As far as RCV is concerned, I'm pretty sure its here to stay, the Yes on 2 folks are rallying but I perceive it as popular given that there's so many little niche candidates that wouldn't even get votes otherwise (the AIP boys love it for example)

What's the reasoning against RCV vs FPTP?

 

[Disc]

How does the phrase Sydney Bay sound to you?

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Ehhh, At that range you'd catch a few people I care about in the blast.
Personally I'd say break everything east of the Great Dividing Range (the mountain Range that's the reason everything else is a massive desert) off like a kit-kat, and that'd probably do us pretty good. even if it becomes a second, even more awful new zealand.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Ron Paul also didn't help himself when he snubbed off the NRA. Love them or hate them him doing that cost him a lot of support.

The NRA was a horrifically disappointing organization for most of my life. In the 80’s and 90’s, they had a tendency to AGREE with democrats that hunting was the only legitimate purpose of firearms. They placidly went along with proposed restrictions and didn’t see handguns as anything in their wheelhouse

That’s why you saw Gun Owners of America spring up, with all its state level affiliates.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Turns out he was right, the NRA doesn't get things done anymore.

The NRA is a hate tank that lets the DPS gun rights agencies do their work, but that's all it is.

Ehhh, At that range you'd catch a few people I care about in the blast.
Personally I'd say break everything east of the Great Dividing Range (the mountain Range that's the reason everything else is a massive desert) off like a kit-kat, and that'd probably do us pretty good. even if it becomes a second, even more awful new zealand.

You tell them to leave first.

 

[BullfrogBill]

Nah, I meant him ignoring their candidate questionaire, refusing to speak at the expos, etc. etc.

Basically totally snubbing and ignoring them.

I was big into the NRA back in 2008 and it soured me on him pretty heavily.

I'd be interested in hearing Ron Paul talk about what he thinks about the NRA if he has before, but I could see Paul thinking of them in the same light he saw the neocons and dems in. He was always very pro-gun ownership and always urged Americans to carry guns with them so I never had any issues with Ron Paul's takes on guns in general which I think is more important than whatever his opinion on the NRA is.

 

[majob]

What's the reasoning against RCV vs FPTP?

Ranked Choice allows you to choose candidates you like in order of preference. Say you're a Republican living in the blue stronghold that is California. You want the republican to win but you know it's a long shot but there's a "moderate" democrat running who isn't as bad as the full retard far left democrat that's running. So you choose the more moderate democrat as your second choice and so on. Now come election time, first candidate to get 50% wins and no gets 50%. With RCV they eliminate candidates with the least votes until they get the one with the largest share and hey, turns out the moderate democrat won because enough republicans chose them as their second pick.

FPTP is more straightforward. You win, or you don't. It's great for rallying a base around a candidate just to ensure the opposing side doesn't win but it also means you can be stuck having to vote for a shit candidate

Murkowski wins with RCV because there's enough dems in Alaska who pick her as their second pick since Alaska is a solidly red state and it fucks with the republicans since Murkowski is a RINO so she won't be lockstep with the party.

 

[Drain Todger]

To those still flabbergasted by the USAID revelations, look at the dates on these. Us conspiracy chads have always known. Our taxes have been used to fund pure fucking evil:

https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/emailid/1730002

https://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-backed-color-revolutions/5611641

https://steemit.com/informationwar/@clarityofsignal/a-look-back-on-the-ngo-s-that-pushed-for-regime-change-in-libya-syria-and-ukraine-the-sharing-of-cory-morningstar-s-excellent

https://web.archive.org/web/20210120110125/https://www.pando.com/2014/04/08/the-murderous-history-of-usaid-the-us-government-agency-behind-cubas-fake-twitter-clone/

https://expose-news.com/2022/04/13/who-is-the-virus-hunter-dr-nathan-wolfe/

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

i don't see how they rebrand at this point. for the past 20 years they've been shifting the entire party away from the concerns of normal people to appeal to exclusively freaks, degenerates and minorities and they need them all to show up in record numbers in elections to even have a shot at winning. If they become less insane or try to walk back the crazy they will alienate that collation and they'll be screwed.

on the other hand the groups they've courted to their party don't vote in large number unless sufficiently motivated to, which is getting very hard to do since they all want different things and some groups in the collation actively hate each other (like feminists/trannies and muslims/jews) so if they don't do something the party will fall apart anyway.

They're just Fucked.

“Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you" was the message of the last election. If you eliminate the “they” it becomes “Kamala is for them, President Trump is for you"

In other words, it’s the oldest political slogan in history. “Us v. Them.” It probably pre-dates politics and is simply an expression of instinct.

Democrats need to focus on framing the minority populations they represent as a part of us again. Trump would not have been able to win on an “Us v. Them” platform in 2008 against Obama because Obama could at the time sell the notion that there was only an “Us” in America. In current year Democrats can’t say that because the other side is Nazis. They have said it too many times for their egos to allow them to make peace.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I'd be interested in hearing Ron Paul talk about what he thinks about the NRA if he has before, but I could see Paul thinking of them in the same light he saw the neocons and dems in. He was always very pro-gun ownership and always urged Americans to carry guns with them so I never had any issues with Ron Paul's takes on guns in general which I think is more important than whatever his opinion on the NRA is.

Bet he’s a member of GOA Texas

 

[Smyrna]

What's the reasoning against RCV vs FPTP?

Ranked Choice Voting (also known as the Alternative Vote system) allows for supporters of smaller parties to give their first preference to their preferred party before choosing which of the likely winning candidates they prefer. Therefore, smaller parties get more of the first preferences (which, depending on the country, will grant them more money\guaranteed airtime at the next election), and also in theory forces the bigger parties to pay more attention to their platforms in order to court their voters' preferences. It can also be used as a springboard for better election performances in a seat cycle-on-cycle; a party achieves 20% of first preferences in a seat in one election, they get more attention in that seat as a result, they then put more effort into that seat at the next election which delivers a better result, and the cycle builds from there until they (again, in theory) win.

So that is why smaller parties like RCV\AV over FPTP.

 

[NSA Intern]

To those still flabbergasted by the USAID revelations, look at the dates on these. Us conspiracy chads have always known. Our taxes have been used to fund pure fucking evil:

https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/emailid/1730002

https://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-backed-color-revolutions/5611641

https://steemit.com/informationwar/@clarityofsignal/a-look-back-on-the-ngo-s-that-pushed-for-regime-change-in-libya-syria-and-ukraine-the-sharing-of-cory-morningstar-s-excellent

https://web.archive.org/web/20210120110125/https://www.pando.com/2014/04/08/the-murderous-history-of-usaid-the-us-government-agency-behind-cubas-fake-twitter-clone/

https://expose-news.com/2022/04/13/who-is-the-virus-hunter-dr-nathan-wolfe/

If there's one thing that the new right and the old left can agree on, it's that global interventionism and glowie behavior is an out-and-out evil and the structures enabling it should be burned to the ground.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

If there's one thing that the new right and the old left can agree on, it's that global interventionism and glowie behavior is an out-and-out evil and the structures enabling it should be burned to the ground.

I wouldn’t say it that way, though that’s the end result.

It’s more like, the “cultural victory” was a metric America was light years ahead on through natural circumstance, when people liked us because we actually represented freedom.

The CIA decided to ride the model that we were ahead on and astroturf it into unrecognizable shit, and to push stretch goals like population reduction through castration of minors along with it because that’s what the donor class asked for

Can America exist without intelligence agencies at all? Probably not. We probably need to try to have some understanding of what’s going on behind the scenes, and to try to counter some of it. But we should pick our battles, and we should understand that attempting to force change on other cultures is antithetical to the freedom vibes that made us cool, and we should stop aggressively fucking with fence sitter nations (attract more flies with honey, etc) and leave our friends alone.

The CIA has become complacent and ineffective by following the same routine for too long and expecting it to return way more on investment than it can. They need to be cleaned out and divorced from the donor class

 

[thegunbuilderguy]

r8 l8 if already posted, but holy shit:
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you and this poster are retarded
it literally says DEFENSE after "social engineering", both this and social deception is a common name for "don't spill your info to someone you don't know".
Social engineering/deception attacks are attack vectors hackers and other malicious actors use where they call through any available number and try to coax info out of them that can be used to reached unauthorized parts of the company, like, if Tiffany from support gets a call and she slips info about how X/Y in X/Y department knows a specific thing, the agent can use that later/in a new call to get enough info to fake being someone else and get access to info he shouldn't have as an outsider.
it's basically office chatting turbocharged to dupe bureaucrats (easy) out of info they should never share.
Defense against it is basically awareness campaigns about it and generally light training where someone or two is hired to try to infiltrate that way and find who in the office buys it hook, line and sinker and roast them over it long enough that they can notice it.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

These are actually pretty good, no chemicals or ultraprocessed goyslop. "But Dog," you say, "What about that Sunflower Oil? That's a seed oil right?" Yes...but expeller pressed is the good version. That shit's alright.

They can make healtheir foods. They chose to mostly not do so. It would be very possible for food scientists to dind ways to make healthy, good tasting food that wasn't full of high fructose corn syrup, enriched flower, seed oils, and a shitton of chemicals. And not rabbit food.

It's still junk food that should be eaten sparingly. I'm sure they could make a healthier formulation of meth, but that's similarly missing the point. Go get a potato, cut it up, and cook it yourself. I use the leftover bacon grease to fry mine up in the morning.

Ron Paul is the fucking man and I'm so happy he got to see the government get cut down a notch in his lifetime, it's just such a shame he was never allowed to do it himself much earlier like he wanted.

Even though he never reached the heights of power himself, I think that he influenced a lot of people, many of whom are now holding the reigns of political power. They may not be the executive themselves, but we won't have an out of control bureaucracy if federal agencies are staffed and run by people who have been shaped by Dr. Paul's philosophy.

 

[>IMPLYING]

This feels particularly tasteless.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Good news, they don't exist, nor have they for several years.

What do you mean? Monsanto was bought by Bayer but the only thing that changed was the name. They still make the retail version of Agent Orange (Round-Up).