Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Prehistoric Jazz]

I'm not watching this movie. Is Adamantium an alloy in the MCU? Or a new element from the Celestial? Do they spend much time talking about how they work with it at all?

In the comics it's a mystery alloy created by a man that stumbled upon it during experimentation.

 

[Twin Addler]

I'm not watching this movie. Is Adamantium an alloy in the MCU? Or a new element from the Celestial? Do they spend much time talking about how they work with it at all?

In the comics it's a mystery alloy created by a man that stumbled upon it during experimentation.

Adamantium is completely brand new, only discovered on Celestial Island, the dead Celestial from Eternals. Ross is in the White House and uses a hologram Powerpoint presentation to talk to all the world leaders, and Sam, about Adamantium and how it can be applied in weapons, defenses and even medicine (somehow???) which is why it's important for all their nations to sign the treaty that magically makes sure all the nations equally get access to Adamantium. Then his presentation is interrupted by getting shot by the mind controlled Jew Super Soldier.

The film doesn't really elaborate much on the treaty but Ross spends half the film talking about how important it is that it should be signed. After Ross destroys the White House and Sam tells him "the sun's getting real low" we're shown Not-Fox News tell us that Ross is now imprisoned in the Raft and the treaty was still somehow signed anyway.

I'm kinda disappointed they just let Ross rot in the Raft. Having a Hulk POTUS for the MCU would've been a neat twist. Did the comics ever do that?

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Remember when they made Nixon in charge of a Government secret society?

its crazy considering how conservative the writers in the 1960s were, they were literally pro-vietnam war.

Apparently he is now running for “senator“.

what a retarded idea. wasn't he a mind controlled government assassin for an enemy of the US until only a few years ago at most? beyond that he's a white dude born in the 1920s, no one is voting for those types especially in an entire state. beyond that his politics regarding finances or abortion or other issues comics don't really go into is going to keep him from being elected. like Bucky has to be RDR 2 Dutch tier faggot to be a-ok with most social issues of the modern era, you really think Bucky's pro-trans and anti-pornban? how about his views on geopolitical rivals or free trade? you think Bucky is pro-hamas or pro-israel?

Captain Wakanda looked really uncomfortable with making them

Meanwhile Ant rattles off his one liners like he thought of them off the top of his head in twisted metal.

you can tell the differences in writing and comfort level between this and twisted metal for him, if you read between the lines Ford really made the movie a miserable experience for everyone, which he's apparently rather fond of doing considering Shia literally gave up being "the next tom hanks" after being forced to work with ford on Indy 4.

I'm glad they got Bill Pullman's son instead of DEI Asian.

you sure? this is an obvious "one and done" style role, wouldn't you prefer it being wasted on an asian instead of someone who might be a bigger deal later on?

 

[Overly Serious]

I hear Werewolf by Night was actually solid

It's a fun jaunt that indulges it's freedom from mainstream MCU to be it's own untainted thing. A werewolf, horror elements, a cameo by not-Swamp Thing (I forget what the Marvel creature is called). WbN is one of the more unique entries in the canon. It's not a series, though.

It and Ms. Marvel are what I rate as the best MCU spin-offs, assuming we're not retroactively including Netflix Daredevil early seasons. I saw the discussion about Iman Vellani going by a few pages back and honestly, she's a good actress. For her age, a very good one. She's got a very winning and non-abrasive manner about her and the show, despite ticking nearly every DEI box you might think of if you're inclined to look for such things, is probably the least Woke show in the MCU. That's because Woke is less about bigging up DEI targets than it is about running down White Males at their expense. And
unlike literally every other MCU show and movie, this show never goes "White Male Bad / Dumb / Comically Inadequate". Not that I can recall, anyway. Funny, that.

Then his presentation is interrupted by getting shot by the mind controlled Jew Super Soldier.

She's Israeli, right? Are we sure she's mind-controlled and not just Mossad?

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

even medicine (somehow???)

probably devices/prosthetics where material reacting to the chemicals of the human body would be a problem. If Adamantium can't break and it's non-reactive, it won't lose particles that could drift off into more sensitive parts of the giant system our bodies make up. Maybe there's some bullshit reason that the human body doesn't treat it like a foreign body and coat it with white blood cells during an immunoresponse, IE artificial valves and stents remaining clear and clean where other materials corrode or gather unwanted cells. I dunno.

In the comics it's poisonous somehow, and the only reason Wolverine wasn't killed by longterm exposure was the healing factor overdrive. Not sure how it's poisonous if it never corrodes/breaks down, but whatever.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I completely forgot. Diamondback was supposed to be in the original CA4. Rosa Salazar was to play her. Also wrestler Seth Rollins was the original leader of the Serpent Society but was replaced by Giancarlo in reshoots.

Man if they had just kept true to the original idea the film would at least have been somewhat passable.

 

[Peru oso donas]

what a retarded idea. wasn't he a mind controlled government assassin for an enemy of the US until only a few years ago at most? beyond that he's a white dude born in the 1920s, no one is voting for those types especially in an entire state. beyond that his politics regarding finances or abortion or other issues comics don't really go into is going to keep him from being elected. like Bucky has to be RDR 2 Dutch tier faggot to be a-ok with most social issues of the modern era, you really think Bucky's pro-trans and anti-pornban? how about his views on geopolitical rivals or free trade? you think Bucky is pro-hamas or pro-israel?

What are Bucky's tax policies?

 

[ChadBrazilian]

Man if they had just kept true to the original idea the film would at least have been somewhat passable.

Disagree. I think that this is like Josh Trank's Fant4stick, where the suits made, mercifully, a shitty movie shorter.

From what I heard, the original idea of the film was just to continue the heavy handed BLM "all Americans are rascist" message from Falcon and Winter Soldier. Falcon would have a speech in the end, where he talks in a condescending tone about how Americans "need to do better" with the Red Hulk being just a retarded allegory for Donald Trump. Considering the political proclivities of Disney and Marvel, and the lecturing of Falcon and Winter Soldier; I 100% believe in those rumors.

 

[el bandito loco]

I think I'm alone but I thought werewolf by night was horrible. the black and white look for it was god awful because nothing in it was shot like that was intended. It looked like a filter. It didn't have any artistic shots or anything. The best part was the opening credits, it had the same problem as the rest of the mcu with a goofy ass tone despite the fact it had some more extreme violence.

I guess I liked the fact it was more disconnected but that didn't magically make it good. It felt like a homage to classic horror things by and for people who have never seen any of it beyond knowing iconography by cultural osmosis and still had reddit brained targeting writing and quips.

It had it's moments, and I definitely think it's probably high in the upper half quality wise of post endgame mcu bur that's like saying I pissed my pants vs I pissed my bed. I wouldn't want either. The best thing about it is it's short and zooms by.

 

[LordofTendons]

I completely forgot. Diamondback was supposed to be in the original CA4. Rosa Salazar was to play her. Also wrestler Seth Rollins was the original leader of the Serpent Society but was replaced by Giancarlo in reshoots.

Man if they had just kept true to the original idea the film would at least have been somewhat passable.

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Are those... Happy Meal toys? I might want that shield for my Barbies...

Also...

Spoiler: Stuff that happens in CA4

I liked the red hulk, but it was really the only entertaining part of CA4 for me. It was all the way at the end of the film and went maybe 5 to 7 minutes, and on top of that, Falcon just talks the hulk out of it. It feels exactly like the original cop-out ending in the last Twilight book. And Falcon in a Cap suit gets his wings ripped off. They mean it to be symbolic of him becoming Cap, but all I can think of is a fallen angel that lost its wings and the sad, pathetic state of these movies. I'm glad I didn't pay for it but I would watch a Harrison Ford hulk movie.

 

[Jace on ice]

Red Hulk was 100% originally an allegory for Trump.

It probably took an absurd amount of tard wrangling to convince the director and writers not to make evil Hulk literally orange because that would be too on the nose.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

In the comics it's poisonous somehow, and the only reason Wolverine wasn't killed by longterm exposure was the healing factor overdrive. Not sure how it's poisonous if it never corrodes/breaks down, but whatever.

This is a retcon, given that there's a fair few adamantium-bonded characters without healing factors (Cyber, Bullseye, Lady Deathstrike.) So it's not clear how they're going to implement it.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

Not-Fox News tell us that Ross is now imprisoned in the Raft and the treaty was still somehow signed anyway.

For what

The synopsis I read was he is being secretly dosed with gamma radiation pills and had nfi he'd turn into the hulk

Are the American people just OK that their elected president is just imprisoned in the most black site of black sites prisons?

Would have made more sense for the news to report that he's stepped down and is somewhere trying to reverse the radiation

 

[The Nothingness]

For what

The synopsis I read was he is being secretly dosed with gamma radiation pills and had nfi he'd turn into the hulk

Are the American people just OK that their elected president is just imprisoned in the most black site of black sites prisons?

Would have made more sense for the news to report that he's stepped down and is somewhere trying to reverse the radiation

My guess is this was another Trump allegory (even though they were toned down) as an armed conflict with another nation happens under Ross' watch and he destroys the White House.

 

[Kier Starmer]

Avengers Endgame did feel like an event (and it was, don't get me wrong).

But I'm old enough to remember Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight. Went to both of those screenings at the midnight premieres (back when midnight screenings were a thing).

The Dark Knight midnight screening in particular, though ... Man. Not even Endgame was able to recapture that. The entire audience was entranced and amazed by the storytelling. You could hear a pindrop at all of the right scenes, people cheered, applauded, and gasped at all of the right scenes, etc. The energy in that theater that night was that everyone there knew that a movie classic was happening in front of our eyes.

And when I went to see Spider-Man 2, that is the first and only time I saw people literally give a standing ovation to something in the middle of the movie-- when Spidey stopped the train.

Thank you for making me think of cozier times. The same thing happened in SM2 for me with the ovation this was 2002 Britain and I was a teen then it was a very unusual experience. Dark Knight was such a bittersweet experience we all had the build-up of Ledger and the internet was still younger so information traveled less and it had a very closed set.

Dark Knight is probably one of my favorite memories of the cinema period. The audience was so attentive to Ledger and Bale's acting that everyone just solemnly got up and clapped as a sign of joint respect. It still pains me with Ledger because he was an actor taken so early by vice but he left a mark on adaptation and comic book cinema forever. It really felt like a role he put everything in for and Bale is honestly the perfect Batman.

Endgame was similar too I remember me and my mate went to see it as a marathon and we were silent for minutes after just absorbing it. What was nice for years prior we went to every screening together and we were actually just moving away so it was honestly a very touching moment. Not the best film but the audience was great. No way home had a great audience too, that film was great I remember this black lady screaming "MAY WAS BEN THE WHOLE TIME, NIGGA!!!!" I still laugh at that now and my partner and I still reference it. It's why I love cinema since we can hold such powerful memories of it. The walk home, the voices, the silence, and the reflection.

I am hyped for Thunderbolts I think the squad film is something they need to be honest. It has a really strong cast and if they script it right, similarly to Wreck-It Ralph it would honestly be a good time. I love Dreyfus, she has fantastic line delivery.

I have a free ticket I will waste it on CA4 it looks awful.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

@Chaotic Pizzaparty The audience I saw Endgame with was pretty great ... But I personally preferred the audience reaction to Infinity War. With Infinity War, the audience cheered at all of the right stuff and everything without being obnoxious or interrupting the movie, but normies being so blindsided by the ending was so great because people walked out of that theater like it was a funeral, hearing a few gasps here and there, haha.

One of the times I saw Infinity War in theaters (yes, I saw it more than once because I loved it), there was a kid sitting in front of me who was audibly upset over Spider-Man dying. There's some cynical people who are like "What idiot doesn't know that these characters will come back in the next movie?" but the fact is that a bunch of kids did NOT know whether everything was going to be okay ... And it was cool to see them get that invested and even challenged a tad bit with some storytelling.

The audience I saw No Way Home with was really good too. The screening I went to was in the middle of day, filled with parents who grew up with the Raimi movies taking their children to see it. I even heard one dad tell his kid, "That's the Spider-Man I grew up with!" when Tobey showed up. It was really cute and wholesome AF.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

yeah, I remember reading sometime around the Dark Avengers era where American Eagle had crippled Bullseye and Osborn had him given Ad-Laminae on his skeleton and thinking "but didn't they already decide this shit would've killed Logan but for etc etc?"

Maybe there's some coating on the metal preventing direct contact to biologicals they're implementing in those cases, I dunno, it's all bullshit when you think about it too much and destroy your own suspension of disbelief.

 

[UnKillFill]

The Japan thing was turbo retarded. If only there were some sort of actual geo-political rival in that region who could have been a foil to the Yanks.... But of course we can't do that and risk pissing off the Chink box office, even though I'm pretty sure they're not watching this shit anyway.

They're not. Chinks hate darkies. This movie is DOA in China on principle.


Also. There's a character named Sabra in this? As in the hummus? (Pretty sure someone said it already I'll take my clocks.)

 

[King Metalia]

so if brave new world fails

just how large a dump truck full of money are they going to drive up to chris evans house in order to use secret wars to bring steve rogers back?

Why Marvel refuses to recast there actually popular characters after their actors left I'll never understand. There have been 3 live action of Spider Man and 4 versions of The Fantastic Four are Christ sake.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

They're not. Chinks hate darkies. This movie is DOA in China on principle.


Also. There's a character named Sabra in this? As in the hummus? (Pretty sure someone said it already I'll take my clocks.)
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A sabra is a Jewish person born in Israel

It's also a kind of cactus native to the area.