Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Europe expects Americans to go and happily die for Europe, and we just don't want to for reasons ranging from the fact they're an entire ocean away to the fact they've been resentful towards us ever since we became a nation
"No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out, and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his."
Communism was german kikes, and believe me I would see Berlin, Brussels and Moscow turned into radioactive craters if I could help it.
I don't mean to be pedantic, but you can trace communism as far back as Plato and Seneca. Marxism was a German iteration of it.
 
You can't call yourself a free people when you have shit like the Patriot Act being passed and giving a carte blanche for the government to deem anyone a terrorist, including their own citizens and disappear them to some extraterritorial shithole where they can be tortured for fun.

You can't call yourself a free people when you larp about muh freedumbz while you have faggots like Chuck Schumer, George Dubya and their whole ilk doing whatever they want while you retards sit by and do nothing.

You can't call yourself a free people when your capitol police allowed a bunch of retards to basically vandalize the Capitol and basically have the book thrown at them by the political establishment, while niggers get to burn down multiple cities, rob anyone at their own convenience and they barely even get slaps on the wrist.

You can't call yourself a free people when almost all your elites are dual citizenship kikes who prioritize Israel above everything else. (This includes both the demoncrats and your precious Zion Don)

Stop believing yourself to be superior because you got to profiteer from the World Wars that destroyed Europe, you're just as retarded as everyone else. The difference is that when you fuck up you still have oceans to keep you safe. When Europeans fuck up, they're the first to experience the consequences of it. Things are the way they are precisely because America wanted them to be this way, otherwise you cocksuckers wouldn't have pushed for the dismantlement of the European empires because you love sucking nigger jew cock and wanted to treat Europe as vassals, and now that you realize you may have to actually fight again you don't want to, but you still love the influence you have.
The US has its problems. We've never canceled a election, not in war or peace. We've never banned a party. The Democrats caused the US Civil War and we let them back in because it was the right thing to do. And we still have our guns. We are free Euro. Vance was right to chew you out for 17 minutes straight.
 
Typical americuck answer "We have problems but we has our gunz that we'll never actually use so we're totally free. I'm also not going to admit just how serious the issues that were brought to my attention are"
You didn't cancel an election? Maybe you should have, given what happened in 2020, but cancelling elections is so much worse than banana republic tier rigging, right?
Keep coping, you're just as fucked as the rest of us.
 
We are free Euro. Vance was right to chew you out for 17 minutes straight.
I absolutely agree that the United States ought to hold her allies to a higher standard when it comes to free speech. With that said, there are times and places to make statements like his. I do not see how what he said is helpful to ending the war in Ukraine or maintaining a strong alliance in Europe.
 
Typical americuck answer "We have problems but we has our gunz that we'll never actually use so we're totally free. I'm also not going to admit just how serious the issues that were brought to my attention are"
Those issues are serious, but it seems really odd to point them out as the most important issues the average American cares about. There's also the fact many problems in the US are regional and local. The average person living in Texas probably doesn't give a shit about the stuff at the Capital. I'd wager Americans, on average, are satisfied with their state/local government, but not necessarily the federal government depending on what side of the ideological fence you're on (which is essentially your post anyways). Also, states have some political autonomy to resist federal policy because of the court system and separation of powers.
With that said, there are times and places to make statements like his. I do not see how what he said is helpful to ending the war in Ukraine or maintaining a strong alliance in Europe.
Yeah, Vance is smart (he went to Yale after all) he should know better, but populist brain can rot your better judgement at times.
 
I absolutely agree that the United States ought to hold her allies to a higher standard when it comes to free speech. With that said, there are times and places to make statements like his. I do not see how what he said is helpful to ending the war in Ukraine or maintaining a strong alliance in Europe.
A Europe that is turning Soviet against its own people and does not hit its defense targets is a security concern. The US cannot solo a Russian invasion. And the US has donated the bulk of Ukraines equipment. It seems Europe cares more about attacking its own people for prayer than having sufficient standing armies for the NATO alliance. Does that make sense?
 
A Europe that is turning Soviet against its own people and does not hit its defense targets is a security concern. The US cannot solo a Russian invasion. And the US has donated the bulk of Ukraines equipment. It seems Europe cares more about attacking its own people for prayer than having sufficient standing armies for the NATO alliance. Does that make sense?
Vance could have just said that instead of rambling for 15 minutes.
 
Those probably won't be worth much in the current environment
The difference between Blackhawks and the Russian transport helicopters is the UH-60 is easier to operate and maintain. There's also the issue of trying to maintain a Russian designed helicopter where parts are in short order. Flying machines suck down perishable parts and the UH-60 has more vendors to keep flying. SBU operates a fleet they purchased from the private sector (which the Biden State Department got butthurt and went after some Polish company that aided them in the effort) and the AFU has desired more since.
 
I know this is a decisive issue amongst you fellas but just wanted to clarify. Im not very fond of Trump. He isnt the devil, he isnt the savior, I personally think hes just a big bully out of his depth when it comes to Real Politik. I would pray for the wisdom of a second ringer like George Bush Sr or I would elate an actual strategic mind like Richard Fucking Nixon right now. Alas I think these figures have left us.
I agree that Trump is out of his depth with realpolitik, but I'm not sure if HW Bush or Nixon were great examples either. HW kind of blundered the collapse of the Soviet Union, and was more interested in preserving the status quo than taking advantage of the unipolar moment. Nixon had the massive blunder of China, which I'd say is the biggest and most consequential example of failed realpolitik in the Cold War.
@teriyakiburns The more I read and hear things, the more embarrassing and incompetent it seems our (UK) entire military complex is, though maybe someone with a lot more knowledge can enlighten me.

Just how and when did it get so bad?

I feel like we (EU/Uk) rely way too much on America to produce our weapons and then would need their permission (Storm shadow) to actually use/donate them.
I'd recommend checking out Pax Americana's videos on the state of the British Military.
 
I cannot decide on Zelensky and his stupidity. He is either stupid or ignorant because he should have known a country especially a capitalist one is not going to give you untold billions without a price. Except the UK the UK government is retarded and indebted to their commie overlords.

In the end, Trump is going to have the final say and control in this, he is the big boy in the sand pit. He has pinned himself in a corner where he has to submit because the Ukranians want it to end and the US is bored handing out money.
 
This is Kalob Byers, the American snatched up on cannabis charges in Russia. He took this picture in Russia last summer. I feel for his family, I do. But dude. Dude come on.
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I think Putin should keep Kalob. He's in commie land and he's a commie. Let him smoke weed or not and waste oxygen on Putin's dime. He might get a hair cut while on remand. He needs it.
 
I cannot decide on Zelensky and his stupidity. He is either stupid or ignorant because he should have known a country especially a capitalist one is not going to give you untold billions without a price. Except the UK the UK government is retarded and indebted to their commie overlords.

In the end, Trump is going to have the final say and control in this, he is the big boy in the sand pit. He has pinned himself in a corner where he has to submit because the Ukranians want it to end and the US is bored handing out money.
Nigga they got Cold War/GWOT leftovers and some ATGM's.
What "untold billions", at least half went directly to defense companies to replace what was sent, and even THEN we still haven't sent half of what we promised.
 
Amerilards will blow trillions on providing heroic life saving medical care to obese latrinos/keeping their corn syrup antibiotic chlorinated cattle market going, but still get hung up on a little light embezzlement atop the missile money, they'll never be demanding audits for the corporate welfare gibs though will they?
Don't get me wrong, theft/inefficiencies/corruption is bad and all that, but it really betrays the true intent when it's only ever actually bad and worth whining about under certain (zegroe benefiting) circumstances.
 
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All that equipment has to be replaced. Javelin missiles cost money. M777 howitzers, which are NOT SURPLUS, cost a fuckton of money and Titanium. And even surplus isn't free. We could have used those cutters or sold them off. The US isn't a charity and isn't Communist. Mining rights are fair, no matter how the war pans out, because now we have to replace and refurb our own stocks for future wars.
Javelins and other missile systems expire. Triple 7s were a dead end and in the way out. And no, scrapping doesn't net money when DLA breaks up used equipment. It's destroyed at a loss due to OSHA and HAZMAT handling procedures.
 
Javelins and other missile systems expire. Triple 7s were a dead end and in the way out. And no, scrapping doesn't net money when DLA breaks up used equipment. It's destroyed at a loss due to OSHA and HAZMAT handling procedures.
You are fucking retarded. M777 is a 40km system and air droppable via blackhawk. That is perfectly suited to US Army doctrine. Javelin missiles can be refurbished and their CLU's are reusable. That is a retarded statement and you should feel bad.
 
You are fucking retarded. M777 is a 40km system and air droppable via blackhawk. That is perfectly suited to US Army doctrine. Javelin missiles can be refurbished and their CLU's are reusable. That is a retarded statement and you should feel bad.
We have a new innovative set up where the gun is mounted on a chassis that can move unassisted. A gun that is self propelled if you will that doesn't require the logistical footprint of helicopters. Also the fucking CLUs aren't lostech and missles can only be refirbed so many times before needing to replaced entirely, which is good in order to prevent production from closing, as what happened with the FIM-92. You've earned today's dumb nigger award with Obama cluster.
 
We have a new innovative set up where the gun is mounted on a chassis that can move unassisted. A gun that is self propelled if you will that doesn't require the logistical footprint of helicopters.
That is a retarded argument. Towd guns can go and be dropped where SPG's cannot.
Also the fucking CLUs aren't lostech and missles can only be refirbed so many times before needing to replaced entirely, which is good in order to prevent production from closing, as what happened with the FIM-92. You've earned today's dumb nigger award with Obama cluster.
The CLU is 250,000 a pop. For a fucking optic. Fuck off retard. As for the missiles, that's 175,000 a pop every time you shoot one. That's not counting the 30,000 for the canister it's in. Nigga seek help, this shit expensive!
 
You are fucking retarded. M777 is a 40km system and air droppable via blackhawk. That is perfectly suited to US Army doctrine. Javelin missiles can be refurbished and their CLU's are reusable. That is a retarded statement and you should feel bad.
When he says triple 7s are a dead end he means that in the sense that their replacement wont be predicated on the pre-existing chasis. Modern SPGs are going to be like the Arcus system: Truck mounted and able to set up, fire and leave the area before their shells start hitting the target. They're too big to be heli-dropped in but they also wont need to be as wheeled vehicles are more capable of moving themselves into position without needing to be carried there which as MG states reduces the logistical requirements of the weapon system. 10x10 trucks are also able to simply carry more than a tracked armored chasis as in addition to being bigger the weight is distributed over a wider area which means you're less likely to get stuck in things like mud.
 
When he says triple 7s are a dead end he means that in the sense that their replacement wont be predicated on the pre-existing chasis. Modern SPGs are going to be like the Arcus system: Truck mounted and able to set up, fire and leave the area before their shells start hitting the target. They're too big to be heli-dropped in but they also wont need to be as wheeled vehicles are more capable of moving themselves into position without needing to be carried there which as MG states reduces the logistical requirements of the weapon system. 10x10 trucks are also able to simply carry more than a tracked armored chasis as in addition to being bigger the weight is distributed over a wider area which means you're less likely to get stuck in things like mud.
A M777 is a towed howitzer. It doesn't have a chassis. It's not a SPG. It's a tube:
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You drop it with helicopters, fire, and then the crew pushes it away. It's very light and has a advanced fire control system. Unlike a Self Propelled Gun, you only lose a gun if it blows up, not a whole fucking truck. In mass scale artillery, or where you need to air drop artillery in a weird spot, it's perfect
 
A M777 is a towed howitzer. It doesn't have a chassis. It's not a SPG. It's a tube:
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You drop it with helicopters, fire, and then the crew pushes it away. It's very light and has a advanced fire control system. Unlike a Self Propelled Gun, you only lose a gun if it blows up, not a whole fucking truck. In mass scale artillery, or where you need to air drop artillery in a weird spot, it's perfect
My bad was thinking of the Paladin. Point still stands though. The war in Ukraine shows why you want your weapon systems to be mobile.
 
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