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[McMitch]

I, too, don't really look ahead when I ride a bike. Come on, you poof, surely you have a trailer for your bike?

In your sarcasm you are assuming a lot from your average cyclist.

 

[quaawaa]

A post about stadiums being in the suburbs/city center:



Most of the comments are your typical whining about parking, but there are a few I want to highlight.

First of all, a comment someone who lives next to one of the European stadiums and hates the noise and congestion of game days:

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Note that not only does the Australian NOT live near the stadiums, the Melbourne stadiums are surrounded by a river, massive rail lines, and a park; i.e. NOT people's homes.

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MetLife has a train line, but that doesn't help because the train can only carry 10,000 people per hour:

Sounds like they need OnE MoRe LiNe.

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I love when Europeans reveal their complete lack of knowledge about American culture and geography:

1. MetLife was built on marshland. It is a productive use of unvaluable land.
2. NYC is unwalkable due to the heat. They said it, not me.
3. Again with the heat. Does he think that New York/New Jersey have the same climate as Phoenix?
4. You tailgate and don't have to pay for overpriced beers at a handful of pubs near the stadium. MetLife is also within walking distance of a large mall with lots of dining options.

He spends so much time hating on the US that he believes that his own government doesn't subsidize real estate development:

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Why don't they build 50,000 apartments in the middle of an industrial area built on top of marshland:

For context, this is what the area around the stadium looks like:

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Suburbanites should have to take a multi-hour detour through NYC because I hate parking lots:


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[Sunflower Samurai]

As someone living in snow and sleet blasted country, you can do fuck all in Winter, how the fuck anti car faggots deal with snow and ice? Skis? Snow has to be salted and streets covered with gravel.

People just posted ITT a smug bikefag going "lolnope" when they saw the weather for the coming cold front

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Don't tell Jason, but Fiester is a weakling who doesn't want to bike when it's cold outside:
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So the answer, they dont deal with it. They stay cooped up or probably never mention if they took convinient car transport like a carpool or uber

 

[TowinKarz]

MetLife has a train line, but that doesn't help because the train can only carry 10,000 people per hour:

Also, one thing that they're all ignoring is the fact that sports stadiums in the US draw from much more than just the city the players are nominally from.

There are fans who will drive from out of town, out of county and out of state to get there.

Their most rational and efficient option is to just go direct-to-stadium.

I don't know if this is uniquely American fan behavior? Or something they're ignoring because it breaks the narrative that you don't need those parking lots?

But either way..... unless you have family in town that you can visit/ stay with while there? Why would you even consider driving maybe 2 hours just to wait in line for a train or bus for the last 10 miles?

For those who have such a bug up their asses about "efficiency" they sure don't know it when they see it.

 

[Bonesjones]

They also don't anything about Tailgating. You know when you set up camp in the parking lot and hang out before/after the game cooking food and drinking with strangers. People will grill up expensive steaks and racks of ribs and give it out to strangers just because you support the same team.

 

[TowinKarz]

They also don't anything about Tailgating. You know when you set up camp in the parking lot and hang out before/after the game cooking food and drinking with strangers. People will grill up expensive steaks and racks of ribs and give it out to strangers just because you support the same team.

More and more pro sports are offering after-game amenities too, to ease the congestion and prevent everyone from leaving at once. Like, let your kids on the field and run the bases? Or they have giveaways or at least some free music and discounted food if you've got no one to tailgate with.

It's almost like the loudest complainers haven't ever been to one, isn't it?

 

[Jhonson the Two]

Isn't ones of the nice things about America is it's super big with a lot of space?
Of course the smart way is to place the loud building away when you can.
Our european cities looks like "neat" little lego structures from afar because we lack the space and have to do with it. It's also an organizational nightmare when you need to build or fix something in it.
This Dutch is 100% a loaded Dutch.

They also don't anything about Tailgating. You know when you set up camp in the parking lot and hang out before/after the game cooking food and drinking with strangers. People will grill up expensive steaks and racks of ribs and give it out to strangers just because you support the same team.

Damn that's sound so cool

 

[Yamamura]

Youtuber WubbaBubba who has posted a video covering the fuckcars subreddit before (hello there ) has uploaded a follow up video,

 

[Paper Machete]

Our european cities looks like "neat" little lego structures from afar because we lack the space and have to do with it. It's also an organizational nightmare when you need to build or fix something in it.
This Dutch is 100% a loaded Dutch.

Euro cities are also a lot older from times when city planning was not a thought in the medieval peasants mind. Which is why a lot of them are probably difficult to navigate. A lot of American infrastructure is post WWII. To a point that even a lot of Americans don't appreciate how much of it is newer. And a lot of it was able to be made with modern city and town planning and zoning in mind.

I also think "redeveloping" should be more of a thing. Stop developing on open land or taking up farmland. Cities should undertake efforts to make it less costly for old factories no longer in use and for dilapidated areas to be redone IMO. I'd like to keep all that extra space we have as extra space and keep our agriculture strong. I know there would be difficulties with this as well but it should be an effort worth it.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Euro cities are also a lot older from times when city planning was not a thought in the medieval peasants mind. Which is why a lot of them are probably difficult to navigate. A lot of American infrastructure is post WWII.

As many of these Fuck Cars people are young American <30 they don't factor that Europe is made up of tons of different countries and this difference limited the road and highway network as compared to the US in addition to the cultural attitudes to driving.

Sorry, Italy has gone fascist and Germany is part of the Soviet Union. Too bad for that road trip.

 

[Eventide]

As someone living in snow and sleet blasted country, you can do fuck all in Winter, how the fuck anti car faggots deal with snow and ice? Skis? Snow has to be salted and streets covered with gravel.

When it's extra cold out, they switch from drinking craft beer to drinking whiskey

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Euro cities are also a lot older from times when city planning was not a thought in the medieval peasants mind. Which is why a lot of them are probably difficult to navigate. A lot of American infrastructure is post WWII. To a point that even a lot of Americans don't appreciate how much of it is newer. And a lot of it was able to be made with modern city and town planning and zoning in mind.

You could arguably say that city planning (by that I mean, "road grids" or a plan that otherwise makes sense from a logistical level) is a sign of culture and civilization. The Romans did that for every city they built but their own (hastily reconstructed after it was sacked by barbarians while the Republic was still growing).

By that token, then:

Planned: Most of the United States (yes, even Houston has a basic grid pattern), Australia (again, colonized by "high" Europe), most of Europe (dark age-era villages)
Unplanned: Most of Europe, almost all of Africa and South America (except European-colonized cities).

A post about stadiums being in the suburbs/city center:



Most of the comments are your typical whining about parking, but there are a few I want to highlight.

First of all, a comment someone who lives next to one of the European stadiums and hates the noise and congestion of game days:

The "why isn't every square inch of land covered with apartments" cope is real.

Jason once wanted to make a video for one of his favorite books, "The Sprawl Repair Manual" (they told him no because he wanted to basically rip off the content and illustrations, and was too lazy to get similar illustrations), and even then it advocates apartments absolutely everywhere, down to the little strip of land between the McDonald's dumpster and the street. And no, that isn't much of an exaggeration.

 

[Glowie]

Easily- they don't. They "work" by getting money from patreon and just order food and groceries. Now the snow is someone else's problem

What if groceries can't be delivered due to blizzards.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

What if groceries can't be delivered due to blizzards.

Then the poor soul that didn't accept his order better be prepared for a strongly worded email and an 1 star rating

 

[Eventide]

What if groceries can't be delivered due to blizzards.

If it's anything like FuckCar's answer to the question "what happens if it catastrophically floods & you cannot bike?" Their answer is "magical trains".

 

[Xarpho's Return]

As many of these Fuck Cars people are young American <30 they don't factor that Europe is made up of tons of different countries and this difference limited the road and highway network as compared to the US in addition to the cultural attitudes to driving.

Sorry, Italy has gone fascist and Germany is part of the Soviet Union. Too bad for that road trip.

Considering a Europe without border checkpoints has really only existed since 1991, you may have a point there. Plus...Europeans could be considered poorer than Americans in some aspects (especially Eastern Europe), since cars as a common object and wealth of the country go hand in hand.

One other thing I've been thinking about and has been touched on in this thread is seeing how trains were in decline even before 1939 and jet travel literally didn't take off until after WWII, there must be, then, something inherently fun about driving, not just all the things that popped up along the roadside starting as early as the 1930s.

It's not just the fact that Redditors are suspected to be too young, too poor, or too perpetually drunk to drive cars, it's a lack of curiosity of the world around them. Their ideal commute to work doesn't even involve them knowing how to get there, they want to play video games instead (and a train darting around a faceless tunnel is the best way to experience "the city"). In reality, there is a uniqueness about driving and seeing the countryside. "It all looks the same" is a line only spoken by children, idiots, and the ignorant. If you drive around enough even in rural areas you can memorize it, or at least get the next landmarks. If you're autistic enough and spent way too much time and money on GeoGuessr you could probably figure out that if you dropped somewhere in the southeast United States (basically, say, south of the Mason-Dixon Line), you can figure out what the nearest major city is with frightening accuracy.

Speaking of frightening, it has been well-documented in this thread how unfamiliar Redditors are with their own cities and the cities they claim to idolize.

 

[Eventide]

One other thing I've been thinking about and has been touched on in this thread is seeing how trains were in decline even before 1939 and jet travel literally didn't take off until after WWII, there must be, then, something inherently fun about driving, not just all the things that popped up along the roadside starting as early as the 1930s.

This might be because I'm an Okie, but I always thought cars were preferred due to all the train robbery gangs of the olden days? You know, like the Newton gang. If you can afford a car, why face the risk of getting killed by a band of outlaws that sit around waiting to derail trains with dynamite? This was before criminals figured out how to carjack

 

[LaxerBRO]

there must be, then, something inherently fun about driving, not just all the things that popped up along the roadside starting as early as the 1930s.

May I present the history of the Michelin Star:

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I also think "redeveloping" should be more of a thing. Stop developing on open land or taking up farmland. Cities should undertake efforts to make it less costly for old factories no longer in use and for dilapidated areas to be redone IMO. I'd like to keep all that extra space we have as extra space and keep our agriculture strong. I know there would be difficulties with this as well but it should be an effort worth it.

They get mad though when it's the "wrong" type of redevelopment, though. This has been documented in this thread (quoted quaawaa's post for the actual seething) where an abandoned supermarket with a parking lot was to be demolished for a new supermarket (albeit a gourmet one with a noticeably different layout) with a parking lot.

 

[Your Mother Should Know]

Bikes are already dangerous, so why do these retards have to make them even more dangerous for normal bicyclists by making drivers more likely to ram them out of spite? Save your wagebucks and move to the Netherlands, or talk to congress about bike lanes, not the internet.