EU Americans Shocked by '60 Minutes' Report on German Speech Policing - If you can't post memes about the Green Party, do you really have free speech?

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A 60 Minutes segment on Germany's approach to policing online speech has ignited fierce debate on both sides of the Atlantic after it aired in the U.S. on Sunday. Critics have called the country's laws "Orwellian," while defenders insist they are necessary to prevent hate-fueled violence.

The CBS News piece showcased how German authorities crack down on online speech deemed harmful or offensive under the country's stringent speech laws. The report documented early-morning police raids targeting individuals suspected of posting content that could incite hatred, including insults and even memes.

Why It Matters
The debate over Germany's online speech laws gained traction in the U.S. after Vice President JD Vance, speaking at the Munich Security Conference on Friday, accused European nations of suppressing free speech and marginalizing right-wing parties like the Alternative for Germany (AfD).

Vance argued that censorship and government overreach pose a greater threat to European democracy than external adversaries like Russia or China. German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius pushed back, calling Vance's comparison of parts of Europe to authoritarian regimes "unacceptable."

The clash highlights a deeper divide between American and European perspectives on free expression.

What to Know
In the United States, the First Amendment broadly protects most forms of speech, including hate speech. In Germany, however, authorities say they are enforcing legal boundaries that have existed for decades, particularly to prevent a resurgence of far-right extremism. German prosecutors told 60 Minutes that their work ensures democracy remains intact by preventing harmful rhetoric from spreading unchecked.

Dr. Matthäus Fink, one of the prosecutors leading these efforts, told '60 Minutes' correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi that many Germans are shocked to learn their online comments could be considered criminal. "They say, 'No, that's my free speech,'" Fink said. "And we say, 'No, you have free speech as well, but it also has its limits.'"

The segment immediately sparked outrage in the U.S., particularly among conservatives and free speech advocates. Vice President JD Vance seized on the controversy to reinforce his earlier criticism in Munich, posting on X (formerly Twitter): "Insulting someone is not a crime, and criminalizing speech will strain European-U.S. relations. This is Orwellian, and everyone in Europe and the U.S. must reject this lunacy."

Other American users echoed his concerns. "Reposting memes is a crime? That's peak dystopia," tweeted conservative commentator Riley Lewis. Another popular X account known as @Huberton went further, writing: "CBS 60 Minutes joined Germany's 'Nazi' police to conduct a raid on a citizen for posting a meme online. Looks like a 100% copy of Communist China."

The backlash also reignited broader geopolitical concerns. A user under the handle @Americology declared, "America has to pull out of NATO. Can't be in an alliance with a country whose government acts like this."

While many Americans reacted with outrage, some Germans defended their country's approach, arguing that U.S. commentators misunderstood the legal framework. On Reddit—a platform with a significantly different political tilt than X—one German user dismissed American concerns as "stupid" and accused them of "gaslighting" the issue.

"We have 100% free speech in Germany," wrote Redditor ziplin19. "Calling for the killing of someone is NOT free speech. It is literally a death threat and incitement, and therefore a crime."

Other German commenters emphasized that the laws are meant to protect society, not suppress speech. "Freedom of speech does not include the right to insult people, incite hatred (Volksverhetzung), or make death threats in Germany," wrote user Armagh3tton. "If I went to a town square and did these things in person, the police would intervene. Why should it be legal on the internet?"

Some also pushed back against the notion that Germany has "hate speech laws," arguing that the legal framework is more nuanced. "Germany does NOT have hate speech laws," said user Moosplauze. "We have laws against incitement of hatred of the masses. It's not about the hateful content of the speech, but the effect—to use lies and deception to undermine a group's position in society and dehumanize them."


What Does German Law Say?
Germany's laws prohibit incitement to hatred, Holocaust denial and personal insults—especially when amplified online. The country's courts have ruled that reposting defamatory content can also be a crime.

The punishment for violating these laws can include jail time for repeat offenders. However, in most cases, judges impose a stiff fine and sometimes confiscate offenders' devices.

What People Are Saying
Vice President JD Vance on X: "Insulting someone is not a crime, and criminalizing speech will strain European-U.S. relations."

Josephine Ballon, managing director at HateAid, on '60 Minutes': "Free speech needs boundaries. And in the case of Germany, these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a very small group of people can rely on endless freedom to say anything they want, while everyone else is scared and intimidated."

What Happens Next
Vance's remarks on free speech come just over a week before Germany heads into a major election. The Alternative for Germany (AfD)—which has been endorsed by Trump adviser and billionaire Elon Musk—is on track for its strongest performance in years.
 
Note that no specific examples are given in the article about what was posted online outside of vague topics such as Holocaust denial, death threats, or insults. You would think they'd have specific examples of these heinous crimes to illustrate to the people. Me thinks these people were arrested for simply supporting the AfD and criticizing the EU.
 
The funny thing is this was published right after JD Vance called out European censorship, and lefties were in the “that didn’t happen” stage of the narcissist’s prayer (i.e. “no one is taking away your freeze peach sweetie 💅), only for the legacy media to immediately self-felt that argument.
 
What's funny about this is that Americans are shocked by it. But America also has a hand in some of the censorship in Germany. It happened after WW2. The Western allies had a control of a part of Germany and so did the Soviets. Both sides pushed their own agenda on the parts they controlled.
 
I am genuinely surprised how there isn't a lot of traction for some kind of free speech protection in the european political sphere.
Freedom of speech is something most of us take for granted. It's just as natural as the sky, the grass and the sun.

The most funniest thing about all of this is, the people who are actively seeking to silence people and censor them on the basis of "hate speech" are in "liberal' political parties, which is the most contradictory thing I have ever seen.
 
"Calling for the killing of someone is NOT free speech. It is literally a death threat and incitement, and therefore a crime."

Start with the fucking Koran then, you retarded gay Stasi.

Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)… (Sura 9:5)

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs in return is the garden of Paradise: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him us truth… (Koran, Sura 9:111)
 
I am genuinely surprised how there isn't a lot of traction for some kind of free speech protection in the european political sphere.
Freedom of speech is something most of us take for granted. It's just as natural as the sky, the grass and the sun.

The most funniest thing about all of this is, the people who are actively seeking to silence people and censor them on the basis of "hate speech" are in "liberal' political parties, which is the most contradictory thing I have ever seen.

The lack of free speech protection movements in the EU, Canada, UK, Australia, and New Zealand, is probably a national pride thing, because of the fear that free speech means that they'll get the worst parts of US, as in $900 GORILLION DOLLAR hospital bills, MORE COVID DEATHS THAN CHINA, OMG SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, EWW CARS EVERYWHERE AND LESS TRAINS, and so many fatties everywhere that there are TV shows in the US dedicated to them (i.e. My 600 lb Life).
 
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The lack of free speech protection movements in the EU, Canada, UK, Australia, and New Zealand, is probably a national pride thing, because of the fear that free speech means that they'll get the worst parts of US.
It might be true, to some extent. However, I think that some people do not know about the importance of free speech. Even worse, I know some people that are supportive of the "anti-hate speech" efforts that some politicians try to push. Some people are just that naive.
 
German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius pushed back, calling Vance's comparison of parts of Europe to authoritarian regimes "unacceptable."
Then maybe you shouldn't act like one lol.
Germany's laws prohibit incitement to hatred, Holocaust denial and personal insults—especially when amplified online. The country's courts have ruled that reposting defamatory content can also be a crime.
So in Germany, you can go to jail for calling someone a fat retard. Or even for reposting someone else calling someone a fat retard.

I'm assuming this doesn't apply to the New Germans™
 
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