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at that point tho youre sort of erring on doing Lungbarrow and all its gay ass additions to the lore, but i wouldve liked that too

i understand what you mean, but the master had been erring towards basically being an anti-hero by the end of moffat's run and this is the kind of twist that wouldve solidified that arc. have the master be a darker, edgier timelord they can do more dangerous stories with
Is there a way to set up an alert for when people shit on Lungbarrow? I get the hate, but the Looms concept is the Doctor Who hill I'll die on for some reason, it makes sense that a society so emotionless and sterile would turn babymaking into that.

That book was the last in the little side-universe of the Virgin Books line that was weirder and 90s-edgier than any other Who for better or worse, and The Doctor returning home was a good wrap on it before the "canon" jumped to the BBC Books McGann slop. It wasn't retconning as much as wrapping up McCoy's storyline that Cartmel started. I think I was just the right age for it when it came out, and it seemed certain we'd never get any more Who after the McGann movie so a lot of us called the end of that book line the end of the story. I totally get why someone who wasn't a too-cool teen when they came out would find them douchey.

Plus, I worked at a used bookstore and grabbed a copy for $2 and sold it on Ebay for $150 so I've got positive associations with it.
 
I can't be the only one to have noticed Gotwa has the same off-center teeth thing Tom Cruise has. It was really evident on a Facebook ad for the show, in an episode where a fat woman turns into a star. There were a ton of closeups on his manic facial expression "acting". I also hate that shitstain mustache.
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Doctor Who has officially become gay niggers from outer space.
 
i think stu also seems to almost realize that doctor who is essentially done, but that he doesnt want that to be true. he talks about needing to restructure around the streaming model and have a consistent tone, but that's essentially rubbing up against the biggest hurdle for Doctor Who: it's simply not cool to like it anymore
The biggest strike against this is the highest point of Doctor Who's popularity was when series 1-4 and some misc classic episodes were added to Netflix during the Tennant specials/ just before Series 5 started. More fans got into it then, especially in America. I was torrenting episodes when season 2 was airing, but I remember when it hit Netflix 2 seasons later suddenly half the people I knew were getting into it and talking about it.

Can work fine on streaming, there just has to be audience interest. That was waning after the 50th Anniversary, Jodi basically put it in the grave.

On the plus side I've gotten a lot of classic era novels and dvd/ blu-rays dirt cheap because no one cares anymore.
 
The biggest strike against this is the highest point of Doctor Who's popularity was when series 1-4 and some misc classic episodes were added to Netflix during the Tennant specials/ just before Series 5 started. More fans got into it then, especially in America. I was torrenting episodes when season 2 was airing, but I remember when it hit Netflix 2 seasons later suddenly half the people I knew were getting into it and talking about it.

Can work fine on streaming, there just has to be audience interest. That was waning after the 50th Anniversary, Jodi basically put it in the grave.

On the plus side I've gotten a lot of classic era novels and dvd/ blu-rays dirt cheap because no one cares anymore.
It'll will be interesting to see what direction they take the show when the license fee is scrapped. Personally I think the real money is Doctor Who trying to be a film franchise.
 
It'll will be interesting to see what direction they take the show when the license fee is scrapped. Personally I think the real money is Doctor Who trying to be a film franchise.
Doctor Who films could be decent, if they divorced it from the continuity of the show and just started again with a new Hartnell and adapting let's say a trilogy of Hartnell serials blended together. Maybe Unearthly Child leading into Marco Polo for the 1st, a mix of Dalek Master Plan and something else for the 2nd and a mix of Tenth Planet and something else for the 3rd. Then you regenerate him into a new actor at the end of that or start of the 4th and adapt Power of the Daleks or try to do something new (but let's be honest people would probably still watch essentially big budget recreations of lost 60s episodes
 
Doctor Who films could be decent, if they divorced it from the continuity of the show and just started again with a new Hartnell and adapting let's say a trilogy of Hartnell serials blended together.
I’d argue they should just write new standalone stories entirely. If they adapt exsisting one the endless bitching about them ruining the classics will happen.
 
So I went out curosity - because YT pointed me in the direction of an Eccelston interview - to check what was happening with Noel Clarke since the Guardian ran those stories on him and it hit me that I’m surprised the circle that shits on current Who and the BBC and talks about the horrible way guys are treated in media haven’t even touched the Clarke story.

As if you needed any proof of if they cared about what they talk about.

On a connected note, watching Chris shit talk RTD in the kindest but most pissed of way possible will never not be fun.
 
keep hearing rumors from the antiwoke sphere it might be over after gatwa is done
Do not trust in hopium. Sure it would be downright logical for this shit to be cancelled....fuck it would have been logical to cancel this shit years ago due to the lack of viewers and the sheer cost of shitting this slop out in an age where the kids have a near infinite array of shinier proverbial keys to watch being jangled in front of them, the grown ups have zero fucking nostalgia left to spare, and 90% of manchildren fucking despise it on principle. However so long as the producers can keep spinning bullshit to the higher ups about how the lack of interest is just a temporary phenomena and how crucial Doctor Who is as a historical BBC brand, the tv loiscence coffers will remain open effectively forever, especially if the show continues its average of like 5 episodes every 3 years to keep the costs down.
 
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I'm rewatching the ones from when I was a teenager, and they are washing away the rot of the new series. Thank goodness for Tubi (and bittorrent, but let's forget I mentioned that). I don't know if I noticed how much I liked this version of King John the first time I watched The King's Demons, he's so jolly and he enjoys being evil so much. (Yes, I know the twist, but still.)

Honestly, now I want to compare him to some of the Robin Hood series where Prince John shows up and see how they compare.
 
I just want the fugitive doctor/timeless child to be the "I made a jigsaw puzzle of your past" time fuckery in the Doctor's past that the Celestial Toymaker mentioned in the Giggle. They aren't canon, just the Toymaker fucking with the timeline to troll the Doctor.

Wow... Was he always this big a shill? I don't even see what his point is, unless he's using the word "outdated" to mean shit.

Didn't RTD already do that in the episode where a Dalek shoves a guy's head up it's ass?
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It was rumored at the time that the human/Dalek merger thing was the show looking to revamp the Daleks to try and get around Terry Nation's estate and paying them to use the Dalek by replacing them with the hybrid design. But fans hated the two parter and the design, so it was quickly dropped.
 
So Piers Wenger and Beth Willis were co-producers during series 5 and 6 along with Moffat. But they weren’t quite as into it as RTD’s Julie Gardner / Phil Collinson dream-team. Wenger in particular was just doing it for his career trajectory and didn’t really care. In an attempt to make a blank slate he fired the production managers, Tracie Simpson and Peter Bennett, and replaced them with Sanne Wohlenberg and Marcus Wilson.

Now Bennett had worked on every episode since Bad Wolf, and Simpson was credited by RTD for basically saving series 1 with her preternatural thriftiness, so it’s no surprise that the show suffered without these veterans. Wohlenberg and Wilson fucked up badly. Budget overruns, delays, etc. As a result, series 6 wasn’t ready for spring transmission and Moffat had to do a last-minute change in episode order to put A Good Man Goes to War at the break point, meaning a ton of rewrites.

In fact this ended up affecting series 7, as well! The Private Eye wrote about all this in 2011 and said that, because of the lingering budgeting problems, 2012 would be a 2009-style year of specials rather than a series, and the BBC were reconsidering their 50th anniversary plans as a result. Moffat dismissed all this as tabloid nonsense (see also his quote in OP (lol)). But shortly thereafter the BBC One Controller announced the split series 7 plan, blaming it on Sherlock, which Moffat later denied.

In any case, during series 6 Wenger ended up leaving for Film4. Private Eye described it as “falling on his own sword”, as this was the first time a Doctor Who higher-up hadn’t gotten a big promotion after leaving. Beth Willis also left less than a month later — it turns out she was up to her own shenanigans, like hiring her boyfriend during the overseas shoots of Vampires of Venice and Vincent and the Doctor then after filming having a nice Croatia holiday on the BBC’s dime.

(There’s a lot of suspicions that the timing was because Wenger had been covering for Willis in some way. She retreated to her pre-DW job at an external company, but when he left his spot at Film4 — to become Head of Drama at BBC, no less — she was his replacement!)

In any case, Moffat asked Tracie Simpson and Peter Bennett to come back and take over, but the two had gone and started their own comedy show Baker Boys with the bunch of other Who crew who left with them (including writers, editors, costume designers, costume supervisors, gaffers, and production designers, among others). So they turned down the offer. After that was Caroline Skinner, who cared a lot about the show, but there was the affair which led to the surprise resignation and yeah you know about that.

Mercifully by series 8 Moffat had found Minchin, and Simpson and Bennett came back into the fold, so he was able to do series 8-10 without problem. And we all know how well those turned out! We can only imagine what we could have had if not for those scheduling mistakes — and, of course, we can hope that Moffat does his own A Writer’s Tale one day!

[Edit to fix typo of “The Private Eye” as “The Pirate Eye”, argg.]
 
Seems like Shooti Fagwa is going due to being humilated, good, now kill it for a decade, it's fubar.
It should have gone on break when Moffat bowed out.

For all the shit the antiwoke crowd talks about stuff feeling like fanfic etc. The entire reason everything after Moffat struggled was up till then the people writing it had all penned several other shows and written for DW fan publications.

So they knew what they were doing. With Chibnal, sure you had him, but everyone else were randos.

And really, after ending the series by having the doctor meet his first version you kind of have the perfect.

Put it on ice till you can figure some other stuff that can make run for a decade
 
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And really, after ending the series by having the doctor meet his first version you kind of have the perfect.
Not the first version anymore chud. Just the shitty raysiss and sexiss 921823913th incarnation. The REAL first doctor was a stunningly brave black refugee woman whose precious space-melanin was plundered by the evil white time lords to build their empire.....fuuuuck I genuinely winced as I wrote this. I had the luxury of seeing the iceboig approaching with that fucking moon episode back in Capaldi's run back 11 years ago and was able to jump to a lifeboat in time, but the sheer depths of how bad chinballs fucked the show beyond repair is staggering
 
but the sheer depths of how bad chinballs fucked the show beyond repair is staggering
I have a a fond memory of a friend not being able to understand how Chibs had managed to make Series 1-2 of Torchwood previously.

The drop off just does not compute and fries people’s brains.
 
I have a a fond memory of a friend not being able to understand how Chibs had managed to make Series 1-2 of Torchwood previously.

The drop off just does not compute and fries people’s brains.
Yeaaah......I understood fucking perfectly.

I aint made my contempt for Torchwood a secret on this thread, but I suspect that back when it was just a generic TV sci-fi series loosely welded to Doctor Who and thus not having any background to be defiled, it was easier for chinballs's efforts to come accross as just low effort mediocrity.

Assign him shit with longstanding canon and lore though, and shit quickly fell apart even before you factor in how this all took place during peak woke where turning everything and anything into a smug lecture against the xitter-lib boogieman of the day or a tearfully performed masturbatory tribute to muh-diversity was aggressively pushed by the literal tumblr hires who infested the production line if not outright mandated by the higher ups and happily enforced by chinballs.

The end result was always going to be a execrable canon defiling mess with his shitty Power Ranger Villain looking OCs crowbarred in as the super-duper villains behind everything ever and the most abject fanfic tier trash made the Doctor's 100% confirmed backstory thats been overtly a mystery since the classic era. I guess we should count ourselves lucky pre-woke chinballs didnt get his hands on the showrunner role or we would have gotten the Timeless child shit but instead of the OG doctor being a black refugee girl, he would have been a pill popping sexually degenerate date rapist.
 
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