Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I may have missed it mentioned but Z was instrumental in Trump's "impeachment" the first go around. I don't know that you need more reason than someone trying to boot you from arguably the most powerful position in the world to tell them to go fuck themselves.
They really wanted Trump out the way while they tried to pull off this gay shit and they know it! No wonder he had a few attempts on his life.

Wouldn't surprise me if they try and double KO Trump and Putin when they meet.
 
I haven't really followed the Ukraine situation since it pretty much started, but isn't Ukraine basically being propped up by the Western weaponry it has been getting? I understand Russia is basically a paper tiger at this point but it seems they have been consistently (albeit slowly) taking land and both sides are taking heavy casualties. I don't think Ukraine is going to win a war of attrition with Russia, i mean they can bleed them out a lot more whilst also suffering large losses themselves, but then what? i don't think Russia is just going to call it a day and end the war with no gains after 3 years.

I genuinely don't understand why some people in the U.S and Western Europe are getting absolutely assmad about the events over the past few days. I mean, it would make more sense for a vote to be held among the people in Ukraine whether they want to continue the war or not. Maybe i am underestimating their patriotic mindset or what not, but i imagine the majority want the war and killing to end and would consider ceding territory to that end.

I just don't understand what throwing more money and weapons at Ukraine is going to accomplish other than catastrophic numbers of death.
 
I haven't really followed the Ukraine situation since it pretty much started, but isn't Ukraine basically being propped up by the Western weaponry it has been getting? I understand Russia is basically a paper tiger at this point but it seems they have been consistently (albeit slowly) taking land and both sides are taking heavy casualties. I don't think Ukraine is going to win a war of attrition with Russia, i mean they can bleed them out a lot more whilst also suffering large losses themselves, but then what? i don't think Russia is just going to call it a day and end the war with no gains after 3 years.

I genuinely don't understand why some people in the U.S and Western Europe are getting absolutely assmad about the events over the past few days. I mean, it would make more sense for a vote to be held among the people in Ukraine whether they want to continue the war or not. Maybe i am underestimating their patriotic mindset or what not, but i imagine the majority want the war and killing to end and would consider ceding territory to that end.

I just don't understand what throwing more money and weapons at Ukraine is going to accomplish other than catastrophic numbers of death.

I wouldn't say Russia is a paper tiger. They have evolved and adapted. In the 21st Century, they are the only country that has fought a full blown, all out modern conflict. Prior to the conflict, Ukraine was getting tactical and technical support from the West since the early 2000s. Just like the conflict in Georgia in 2008 was provoked by Nato, so was this current conflict with Ukraine in 2014. As early as 2005, Ukraine was getting aid from NATO and running joint military exercises with Georgia simulating an attack on Russia. This is all documented by John Mearsheimer.

In 2025, Russia now has an excellent understanding of NATO tactics, weapons, and vehicles. Furthermore, it has created a nimble professional army with none of the fat or corruption that held it back in 2022. In addition, Russians are now experts in electronic warfare and counter measures. Prior to this conflict, Ukraine had the largest army in Europe, and I estimate that it probably lost between 1 million and 1.2 million soldiers.
 
Just like how 2016 broke RINOs this war has been great for getting pro regime useful idiots to take off their masks.
4 years ago many of them would have pretended to oppose replacement migration, troons and other tenants of globohomo but now they sound no different to any other shitlib who simps for the EU and wishes that Biden won.

Also damn 3 containment breaches in just the last few hours, either they ran out of HRT or Trump mindbroke them.

I haven't really followed the Ukraine situation since it pretty much started, but isn't Ukraine basically being propped up by the Western weaponry it has been getting? I understand Russia is basically a paper tiger at this point but it seems they have been consistently (albeit slowly) taking land and both sides are taking heavy casualties. I don't think Ukraine is going to win a war of attrition with Russia, i mean they can bleed them out a lot more whilst also suffering large losses themselves, but then what? i don't think Russia is just going to call it a day and end the war with no gains after 3 years.

I genuinely don't understand why some people in the U.S and Western Europe are getting absolutely assmad about the events over the past few days. I mean, it would make more sense for a vote to be held among the people in Ukraine whether they want to continue the war or not. Maybe i am underestimating their patriotic mindset or what not, but i imagine the majority want the war and killing to end and would consider ceding territory to that end.

I just don't understand what throwing more money and weapons at Ukraine is going to accomplish other than catastrophic numbers of death.
Ukraine is indeed getting propped up by the west. As for the paper tiger claim Russia even by the admission of the man in charge of NATO outproduces them 4 to 1. The whole reason why Russia is advancing so slowly isn't because they are suffering heavy losses, but because they would prefer to minimize them by methodically attriting the Ukrainians rather than run head first into the defence line they built up over the past decade (just look at Kiev's 2023 counteroffensive).

As for why the west is so mad its because they wanted this war. They spent countless years propping up the movement that overthrew Ukraine in 2014, and then they had their puppets do everything in their power to start a war with Russia because they believed that the sanctions would result in Russia imploding within a few months at most. Not only did that not happen, Russia is instead beating them right on Europe's doorstep.
 
I genuinely don't understand why some people in the U.S and Western Europe are getting absolutely assmad about the events over the past few days. I mean, it would make more sense for a vote to be held among the people in Ukraine whether they want to continue the war or not. Maybe i am underestimating their patriotic mindset or what not, but i imagine the majority want the war and killing to end and would consider ceding territory to that end.
Some very nasty people have financial interests on the war continuing, some have ethnic interests in this continuing. Others are propagandised by their governments, media and the reality of the situation is starting to set in.
 
I just don't understand what throwing more money and weapons at Ukraine is going to accomplish other than catastrophic numbers of death.
That is the intention, for the most part. It's all but outright stated that Ukraine is being used as a buffer to "bleed Russia" in service to NATO interests. How effective that is is questionable, but the point is to burn a proxy to burn an enemy.
 
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That is the intention, for the most part. It's all but outright stated that Ukraine is being used as a buffer to "bleed Russia" in service to NATO interests. How effective that is is questionable, but the point is to burn a proxy to burn an enemy.
So it's basically a Verdun style "bleed them white" scenario. That was something i always considered because the attempts to drag on this war didn't really make much sense to me other than for that end goal. However, this could backfire spectacularly if Russia ends up getting what they want with the added "bonus" of having a lot of battle data for this era of warfare along with an active military with prolonged combat experience.
 
So it's basically a Verdun style "bleed them white" scenario. That was something i always considered because the attempts to drag on this war didn't really make much sense to me other than for that end goal. However, this could backfire spectacularly if Russia ends up getting what they want with the added "bonus" of having a lot of battle data for this era of warfare along with an active military with prolonged combat experience.
Don't forget the perks of utterly humiliating the west on the global stage. Not in the "Ukraine took a few rural villages in Kursk, PUTLER IS HUMILIATED" clickbait, but rather the era shaping realization that will come once neutral nations or ones slightly aligned with the west realize that even if all of NATO and their allies pour in everything to win a war they can still be beaten. Suddenly you will start to see a lot of nations who otherwise would have been too scared to realign themselves make their move.

You can already guarantee that in Europe alone it will happen with to places like Slovakia or Hungary given how poorly they have been treated.
 
I haven't really followed the Ukraine situation since it pretty much started, but isn't Ukraine basically being propped up by the Western weaponry it has been getting? I understand Russia is basically a paper tiger at this point but it seems they have been consistently (albeit slowly) taking land and both sides are taking heavy casualties. I don't think Ukraine is going to win a war of attrition with Russia, i mean they can bleed them out a lot more whilst also suffering large losses themselves, but then what? i don't think Russia is just going to call it a day and end the war with no gains after 3 years.

I genuinely don't understand why some people in the U.S and Western Europe are getting absolutely assmad about the events over the past few days. I mean, it would make more sense for a vote to be held among the people in Ukraine whether they want to continue the war or not. Maybe i am underestimating their patriotic mindset or what not, but i imagine the majority want the war and killing to end and would consider ceding territory to that end.

I just don't understand what throwing more money and weapons at Ukraine is going to accomplish other than catastrophic numbers of death.
What's gonna happen with all the shit the US gave Ukraine? Jackal/Lord of War 2.0?
 
You can already guarantee that in Europe alone it will happen with to places like Slovakia or Hungary given how poorly they have been treated.
Don't forget that Russia and North Korea are now openly trading. The pariah status once applied to North Korea has vanished in the eyes of Russia, and possibly also China. The old ways of containing the rogue nuclear states (North Korea and Iran) are becoming ineffective as a result of sanctioning Russia so hard that it doesn't even matter if they work with the pair.
 
I haven't really followed the Ukraine situation since it pretty much started, but isn't Ukraine basically being propped up by the Western weaponry it has been getting? I understand Russia is basically a paper tiger at this point but it seems they have been consistently (albeit slowly) taking land and both sides are taking heavy casualties. I don't think Ukraine is going to win a war of attrition with Russia, i mean they can bleed them out a lot more whilst also suffering large losses themselves, but then what? i don't think Russia is just going to call it a day and end the war with no gains after 3 years.

I genuinely don't understand why some people in the U.S and Western Europe are getting absolutely assmad about the events over the past few days. I mean, it would make more sense for a vote to be held among the people in Ukraine whether they want to continue the war or not. Maybe i am underestimating their patriotic mindset or what not, but i imagine the majority want the war and killing to end and would consider ceding territory to that end.

I just don't understand what throwing more money and weapons at Ukraine is going to accomplish other than catastrophic numbers of death.
It's not that Russia is paper tiger, it's that modern warfare is basically trench warfare with drones at this point...

Every battle, every movement is monitored in real time....only winning move is small scale movements or else artillery hits your face immediately....

I'd imagine USA vs China would be like this in future war but on a bigger scale.
 
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