Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Here's an English translation of the constitution of Ukraine
It doesn't matters, Vatniggers (both "Trad" Ziggers who love the Russian Empire and Far-Left Communists who love the Soviet Union) view Ukraine as a false artificial state created by the Soviets that has always been a part of Russia, and not a true and honest sovereign state, because Ukrainians are Russian brothers who need to return to their family under the rule of Moscow, but at the same time Hohols are Globohomo/Nazi degenerates who deserve to die and go extinct or some shit.

Mentioning Ukrainian laws and its constitution to Zegroes is like trying to explain to Jihadi Durka Durkas about why them blowing up kaffir in New York City is against the laws of the United States of America, they do not view such countries as sovereign states with a right to exist.
You're not alone with that one. Not only did I also think it would be incredibly badass to have Russia as an ally, I also used to brag about reading Mearsheimer's books and would parrot his talking points about the subject. Shameful behavior on my part.
I wanted Clancy to have lived long enough to see this war so much bros *sigh*
 
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Tl;dr: I don't like it, but its a typical non-statement and Russian media isn't jizzing their shorts so I think its a little premature to go full black pill yet. Sounds like he's trying to get Zelensky to engage with the peace process or prove Trumps insults correct.
I'm a fan of Trump on a lot of things (love the bullying of bureaucrats), but the recent comments are not great regarding Ukraine. He's now saying Ukraine gave up on having a deal on mineral rights, meanwhile Ukraine was sounding like they wanted to negotiate it, so now there's a question of whether Trump is even wanting to try for anything now. If Trump is giving up on the mineral rights, it signals that he's giving up on trying to argue it's even Ukraine's right to give which means Ukraine's borders have shifted in America's eyes.

Trump is sounding like a jilted lover rather than someone looking for the best deal for America or anyone else. I'm wondering now if he's been getting people telling him numbers regarding what's been appropriated by the US and EU to Ukraine and imagining it was all from the US and not having anyone tell him that America's portion was just a fraction of it.
 
Trump is sounding like a jilted lover rather than someone looking for the best deal for America or anyone else. I'm wondering now if he's been getting people telling him numbers regarding what's been appropriated by the US and EU to Ukraine and imagining it was all from the US and not having anyone tell him that America's portion was just a fraction of it.
Or what the "R" in "BRICS" means
 
Trump being a colossal fucking chump is a given due to the fact that he fucking crashed his own business only to file for bankruptcy so that taxpayers can bail his ass out. Nothing about the Trump brand is special or unique. In reality, all they do is take someone else's work and slap his fucking name on it.

I mean, the fucker just had to do NOTHING and he'd have won. Keep the bureaucracy going, just kill/expel some druglords for the sake of theatrics, keep funding Ukraine, and not start a tariff war. The economy would've recovered, since it was already recovering (jobs were returning to America by the tail end of Biden's reign) and Russia was on its knees. Trump could've dealt the final blow and we could've just put this whole Ukraine war matter to rest. Instead, the fucker had to alienate our allies and neighbors and start his fucking tariff war while polishing Putin's willy.

Now, the Red State economy is in shambles thanks to the tariff war, our allies can no longer trust us because our president wants to kiss Zigger boot, and America has lost any semblance of respect it had. All in four weeks.

But like I said before, a lot of the people who voted for him are suffering the economic consequences of it. I suppose it's just karma. Especially since the fucker made abandoning Ukraine a campaign promise, even though Ukraine is innocent and Putin's Russia is clearly guilty. And it's obvious that enabling the guilty will just lead to more bad shit happening down the line. I mean, if Russia did succeed in taking Ukraine, you can bet your ass China would've invaded Taiwan next. And yet these fuckers voted for Trump anyways, knowing that it could leave innocent Ukrainians to die or suffer under Russia's boot.

I can only imagine how the post-Trump America will try to repair its broken alliances and relationships with the rest of the western world and its neighbors. I imagine it'll include a lot of begging from the next American government because Trumpy-boy made them all embargo America, reducing its export economy into ruin. And said export economy is what fuels the Red States aside from government welfare, and Trump cut out that shit too.

Going back to the war, nothing Trump says or does will affect the war in the least. The leaders of the western world have already written off Trump as an immature baby making temper-tantrums, and they can easily fund Ukraine's war effort further while Russia crumbles into the dirt. I suppose Trump can ally with Russia and fight the EU, but that will just lead to military dissent all over the place, since the army is in no mood to fight Europe for Russia, especially since Russian allies have taken potshots at Americans like with Wagner in Syria.

Russia is already crumbling from the war effort; the best they can hope for now is a ceasefire. But while Trump is willing to give them that, the EU is not, and the EU is closer than Trump's America, and Trump is already losing his popular support, with many of his voters regretting voting for him. If the groundswell of dissent against Trump grows, he could be impeached and replaced by someone else who might support more Ukraine aid, especially since a growing number of Republicans support aiding Ukraine, while all Trump did is leave the common citizen to get fucked in the ass by the rich by removing things like Medicaid and welfare support for the Red States.
 
I wonder if Zelenskyy personally offended Trump, or this is a pressure tactic he's going to 180 on.
No, I seriously doubt it. You can attribute this almost entirely to Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson feeding him bullshit, and there doesn't seem to be a counter for it in his immediate circle.
The whole "foreign war bad" narrative is too simple and convenient, and it's easy to fall for propaganda about some country across the ocean you never been to and don't understand., especially when you're surrounded with zigger sympathizers and assorted shills.

Still, he should know better, and we should expect better. I'm not making excuses for him, this is patently retarded.
 
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No, I seriously doubt it. You can attribute this almost entirely to Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson feeding him bullshit, and there doesn't seem to be a counter for it in his immediate circle.
The whole "foreign war bad" narrative is too simple and convenient, and it's easy to fall for propaganda about some country across the ocean you never been to and don't understand., especially when you're surrounded with zigger sympathizers and assorted shills.
Not to mention the fact that while Trump is willing to abandon an innocent country like Ukraine, he's willing to go on an ill-advised crusade in Gaza to fight for Israeli interests.

I wonder how that will fare with the people in the Right who fucking hate Jews and who now have to deal with the fact that their president is willing to send them to die fighting for said aforementioned Jews.

I've always seen those "isolationist" right-wingers who wanted us to abandon Ukraine as traitors. And now, their president is doing something that they stated they were against (sacrificing American lives in foreign shores) and they're fucking silent. It goes to show the Zigger crowd in America has no morals, just worship of a false idol.
 
I'm trying to catch up on like 10 pages of people losing their shit over a tweet.
You could interpret that as a nothingburger. Or you can also wonder why Trump doesn't have a tardwrangler anymore or that nobody even suggests any corrections to Donny. Just because Musk has normalized being inane on the social media for the rich and powerful, doesn't mean one should. The way the message is framed matters just as much as the message itself.
Yes, Euros are bad, Biden is senile and graft exists.
By saying nothing, you're just adding more urgency to whatever plans other countries and blocks have to unify their interests. And one day US might find itself in an entirely new position and the isolation that it wished for but now doesn't know what to do with.
 
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I'll be real I don't know how anyone could be proud of a president who has only managed to fellate his boyfriends Putin and Bibi.
Kinda gay.
 
I can't find the posts now, but there were posters lamenting the GOP and them holding up Budgetary votes that include Ukraine Aid.
Let me remind folks of two things:

- NATO commitments asside, the US is not (immediately, directly) affected by Making Ukraine Russia Again or not. Russian ICBMs are no closer to the US than they were. This is a huge deal for Europe, matters fro real geopolitik, etc. But not that important to the day-to-day of America vs Europe.
- The sticking point was funding for securing the border. Biden was sending billions* in equipment to Ukraine to secure their borders, but doing nothing to stop or slow the flow of illegal immigrants into the US, and Biden (before getting DNC-dunked) was banking on Ukraine/Ukraine holding out against Russia as a big part of his reelection campaign.
So much as Scholz spiked billions in aid to try to keep his party from getting obliterated in German elections, and in the vein of the Tories getting steel-chaired by Labor**, the GOP had no intention of handing Biden a free PR coup because of internal politics beating out geopolitics.

*In DoD list prices
** who to my utter amazement, did not cuck

So I blame Biden for not willing to commit to securing the US border more than I blame folks with R after their name.

The plan above sounds serviceable, decent, but it is really unclear now that Trump would now endorse anything Putin wouldn't want.
That plan sounds like a recipe for a second 3 day military operation.

It's ironic that the people who fall for the China Containment meme are the same assholes who pushed ideas about realpolitik, offensive realism, and the natural inclination of states to expand their power. In their minds, a Russo-American alliance is perfectly feasible (and realistic!) despite Russia and China making no effort to disguise the fact that they are joined at the hip and have zero interest in changing that relationship.

No one except poli-sci homos care about that one time Mao and Corn Lord disagreed over whether or not Stalin was an asshole, let alone are naive enough to think that it sets the precedent for a military alliance that borders on fanfiction.
Mao had a huge gay crush on Stalin for whatever reason. He (rightly) chafed under every other soviet leader who tried to hold themselves out as the true voice of communism and treat China like another SSR. It was a very big split and almost came to blows.

But you are correct in the only way there is a Russo-American alliance is if Chinese boots are Siberia and would AT THE LONGEST last until that situation no longer existed.

And that was the case before China has turned Russia into a near client state due to being the only sizeable economy willing to supply Russia, and keep them supplies with things like chips and parts they so desperately need.

I legitimately, at one point in my naive time, thought a US-Russia alliance would be "based".
On paper its great. China's expansion is checked by attacks on Taiwan or Siberia being the same as attacks on the other.
But before get into the laughable state of Russia's military performance, it completely ignores the Asiatic mindset and while both Russia and China have territory disputes, their expansion plans don't seriously interfere with each other - not for a good long while.


General Kellogg is meeting with Zelenskyy in a few hours. Kellogg will probably have to start off with damage control: sorry about my boss, he runs his mouth sometimes.
You assume he's not there to explain how we'll have peace in out time.

I'm a fan of Trump on a lot of things (love the bullying of bureaucrats), but the recent comments are not great regarding Ukraine.
Agreed, but I'm still holding opinion until we see what is on offer.
And again, Ziggers are running their mouth, but the same government who claims to have destroyed 8,000 of the 30 M1 Abrams sent to Ukraine hasn't seized the situation or touted the incredible progress made and I find that telling.
So negotiations don't seem to be going to Russia's liking. Its also possible they are not wanting to interrupt an opponent when they are making a mistake.

You could interpret that as a nothingburger. Or you can also wonder why Trump doesn't have a tardwrangler anymore or that nobody even suggests any corrections to Donny. Just because Musk has normalized being inane on the social media for the rich and powerful, doesn't mean one should. The way the message is framed matters just as much as the message itself.
Yes, Euros are bad, Biden is senile and graft exists.
By saying nothing, you're just adding more urgency to whatever plans other countries and blocks have to unify their interests. And one day US might find itself in an entirely new position and the isolation that it wished for but now doesn't know what to do with.
This is why I say Trumplomacy isn't a sustainable model. It works when setting examples for those who took your kindness for weakness, but when its just all Big Stick you start getting folks legit resentful. And because its built all on low-cunning, its easy to circumvent if the other side knows what you're planning.

I guess, I don't take too much issue with Trump reminding Zelensky who is dependent on whom*, and understanding we only see what's in the press not what's happening behind the scenes.....
But there's no absolutely reason for him to be going hard on Zelensky.

*Well, too much. It would be one thing if Ukraine was just failing to prosecute a functional war, but they are holding their own against a larger military and the US troops aren't involved in combat. So especially given that Ukraine hasn't done anything publicly to buck the partyline, it seems very gauche to say the least to take him to task like that in the public forum.
 
it seems very gauche to say the least to take him to task like that in the public forum.
That's my point. I'm willing to cope entertain the idea that President Trump is providing a smoke screen for whatever is happening but at some point, there will be no cope grace left. Usually, for smaller things, if it walks like a duck...
 
Trump is sounding like a jilted lover rather than someone looking for the best deal for America or anyone else. I'm wondering now if he's been getting people telling him numbers regarding what's been appropriated by the US and EU to Ukraine and imagining it was all from the US and not having anyone tell him that America's portion was just a fraction of it.
There is also the likely possibility Biden and company were fibbing on the dollar amount of aid sent. Where they were publicly stating an X amount being sent and spent but in the books a different amount so it can be grafted. Given the hostility Trump is currently displaying it is very likely a significant amount of cash. And the culprits currently untouchable due the pardons Biden was giving to key individuals.

Granted this is a hypothesis and can very well be wrong.
 
I think at worst, the deal is just going to fall through and things would continue as they have been for indefinite amount of time, if messaging from Trump's camp is anything to go by.
Their rhetoric hasn't improved. On the contrary, it seems increasingly antagonistic toward Ukraine. These messages have the same vibe as people being blamed for shooting niggers invading their house in self-defense.

There's absolutely no regard for the suffering and losses Ukraine has endured over the years and continues to be subjected to even right now in this whole narrative. Just say you don't give a fuck instead of spouting platitudes as you stab Ukraine in the back, I could at the very least appreciate the honesty.
Forget Ukraine, this behavior is demeaning for US. They're in position of power here, yet choose to lower themselves in order to curry favor with one of the worst regimes of this century.
I guess, I don't take too much issue with Trump reminding Zelensky who is dependent on whom*, and understanding we only see what's in the press not what's happening behind the scenes.....
But there's no absolutely reason for him to be going hard on Zelensky.
There's absolutely no need to do it publicly, all it does is bolster Kremlin's resolve and feeds their propaganda.
Trump already has the upper hand in this relationship, it would be enough to threaten Zelensky privately if there was a problem.
 
I'm still waiting on what he actually DOES but it is getting increasingly difficult to give Trump the benefit of the doubt for me. Obviously he doesn't give a shit about reelection now but some of this shit is really making the "TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN STOOGE!!!" people look like they're right, even if it isn't actually the case. If he acts on this rhetoric I'm going to have to eat some fucking crow and admit that they were correct.
 
You could interpret that as a nothingburger. Or you can also wonder why Trump doesn't have a tardwrangler anymore or that nobody even suggests any corrections to Donny.
He fired everyone who had a spine. Now he has nothing but butt-kissers. So no one is there to say "Mr. President, we can't do that, we'd look like buffoons if we abandoned Ukraine, no one will ever trust us again!" Because if there was, you can bet your ass they'd get fired.
 
I think at worst, the deal is just going to fall through and things would continue as they have been for indefinite amount of time, if messaging from Trump's camp is anything to go by.
That’s the *best* case scenario.

I’m one of those Trump-is-a-Russian-asset people and worst fears appear to be coming true.
 
Not gonna lie. It was fun watching Russia get its ass kicked. Being a Nazi sympathizer, I saw it as Russia finally getting some punishment for its involvement in WW2. Especially for what it did to Germany. The US can be quite Boomer tier about WW2, but the Russians are even worse than the US. Over in Russia it's the official state line that Russia won WW2 all by itself with no help from anyone.

They have had this shit coming for a while. LOL
 
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