Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

Avatar: Best animated series or best animated series ever?


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To be fair, Bryke apparently said that they were intending for them to get together in the last couple seasons but they couldn't be overt about it because Nickelodeon or something. But even so, it felt completely out of nowhere and it did feel like a fan appeasement.
The "no faggots in Nickelodeon" was just throwing the studio under the bus. It's a lose-lose for the studio no matter how they respond. Hopefully everyone involved with this comment had their career destroyed in retribution.
 
Disagree. I remember seeing a lot of discourse about Korra and Asami before it actually happened and a lot of people demanding it be canon. This was well after everyone and their brother started claiming to be bisexual for oppression points.
That was mainly three groups: The true believers that had a terminal case of Brain Tumblr, the gooners that wanted more lesbians to wank to (the Andrew Dobson of the world), and meme lords who found it funny. They flooded the forums and appeared to be more than they were.

To be fair, Bryke apparently said that they were intending for them to get together in the last couple seasons but they couldn't be overt about it because Nickelodeon or something. But even so, it felt completely out of nowhere and it did feel like a fan appeasement.
To be fair, they did write themselves into a corner. Mako was not boyfriend material yet, Bolin was more of a little brother to anyone older than him which is why he ended up with Opal who was sheltered and made him appear mature in comparison. And let us not get into the logistics of introducing a new character that was going to be underdeveloped by the end. Asami was the only real choice by then considering how little time they had.

Yes, they are bisexual but think about it this way: if one of them had dated a woman, broke up with her, and then the show ended with her happily with a man, think about the utter screeching the fans would do about lesbian erasure and all that bullshit.
The fans would revolt anyway. Shippers screech. It is what they do. Bryke shows tend to have intense shipping cultures. They should write a dating sim video game.

Shippers were behind Korrasami, they had nothing to do with the love triangle, Bryke like romance but they suck at writing it.
Just look at Voltron: Legendary Defender and (to a lesser extend) The Dragon Prince. They truly cannot!
 
Just look at Voltron: Legendary Defender and (to a lesser extend) The Dragon Prince. They truly cannot!
Bryan did character designs for Voltron and had nothing to do with the writing and Aaron Ehasz did the writing for the Dragon Prince, but he's the one who stopped Bryke from making Toph a boy, because they wanted a love triangle in AtLA with Katara and Aang, and he comes off more as an idea guy. But there's your proof the shippers had nothing to do with the love triangles in the first place.
 
Bryan did character designs for Voltron and had nothing to do with the writing and Aaron Ehasz did the writing for the Dragon Prince, but he's the one who stopped Bryke from making Toph a boy, because they wanted a love triangle in AtLA with Katara and Aang, and he comes off more as an idea guy. But there's your proof the shippers had nothing to do with the love triangles in the first place.
Still, TLOK did have a love triangle in the first two seasons. I suppose they really wanted to write one. As for the other two, maybe it is a curse at this point. All the shows these guys work on seem to have great shipping problem. Also, I am certain that Bryke are not the only ones amongst the people working on those shows that cause such a shipping culture to be developed. Others might be helping in it too.
 
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Still, TLOK did have a love triangle in the first two seasons. I suppose they really wanted to write one. As for the other two, maybe it is a curse at this point. All the shows these guys work on seem to have great shipping problem. Also, I am certain that Bryke are not the only ones amongst the people working on those shows that cause such a shipping culture to be developed. Others might be helping in it too.
Nope, it's all Bryke. They like romance and are shit at writing it. Shippers are an entirely different thing and are older than the target demographic for AtLA.
 
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Nope, it's all Bryke. They like romance and are shit at writing it. Shippers are an entirely different thing and are older than the target demographic for AtLA.
If that is the case, then why was Voltron as bad as it was at romance and why was its shipping so retarded (even by shipping standards)? Either Bryan had more input than otherwise shown or there were students of theirs that made an even worse shipping culture. That show had "Shipping Wars" written all over it to the point it became unwatchable and not a single romance hit.
 
If that is the case, then why was Voltron as bad as it was at romance and why was its shipping so retarded (even by shipping standards)? Either Bryan had more input than otherwise shown or there were students of theirs that made an even worse shipping culture. That show had "Shipping Wars" written all over it to the point it became unwatchable and not a single romance hit.
I don't know and I don't care. I'm here for Avatar and that's it. And in any case, if Bryan was involved in writing Voltron (which I didn't bother with because I don't care about Voltron and am just going off by what I know for sure he did), that just keeps proving my point about neither him or Mike being able to write romance, so they need someone to keep them in check with this third Avatar series (that I'm not gonna bother with after how shit Korra was).

I hate shippers too, but they aren't to blame for everything, so stop obsessing over it.
 
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I don't know and I don't care. I'm here for Avatar and that's it. And in any case, if Bryan was involved in writing Voltron (which I didn't bother with because I don't care about Voltron and am just going off by what I know for sure he did), that just keeps proving my point about neither him or Mike being able to write romance, so they need someone to keep them in check with this third Avatar series (that I'm not gonna bother with after how shit Korra was).
I am not even disagreeing with you, what are you on about? I just said that the Korrasami was because they wrote themselves into a corner (all other potential love interests were sidelined, they did not use their time well etc etc) because they cannot write romance. What are you disagreeing with?

I hate shippers too, but they aren't to blame for everything, so stop obsessing over it.
No one said they are. I just said they are annoying and they would bitch no matter which pairing came true. They are loud and the ones that are fans of the Bryke (and Bryke-adjacent) shows are especially bad. But, no, I did not blame them for everything.
 
I am not even disagreeing with you, what are you on about? I just said that the Korrasami was because they wrote themselves into a corner (all other potential love interests were sidelined, they did not use their time well etc etc) because they cannot write romance. What are you disagreeing with?


No one said they are. I just said they are annoying and they would bitch no matter which pairing came true. They are loud and the ones that are fans of the Bryke (and Bryke-adjacent) shows are especially bad. But, no, I did not blame them for everything.
I don't know what it was, but I thought you were trying to just blame is all on shippers. My bad.
 
I don't know what it was, but I thought you were trying to just blame is all on shippers. My bad.
Nope, I said that the Korrasami shippers were not influential enough to cause them to cater to Korrasami. Korrasami was merely the result of dicking around on the romance department for two seasons when they had no time to spent dicking around.
 
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Nope, I said that the Korrasami shippers were not influential enough to cause them to cater to Korrasami. Korrasami was merely the result of dicking around on the romance department for two seasons when they had no time to spent dicking around.
Yeah, I was tired yesterday, so I think I missed that part. Again, my bad.
 
Disagree. I remember seeing a lot of discourse about Korra and Asami before it actually happened and a lot of people demanding it be canon. This was well after everyone and their brother started claiming to be bisexual for oppression points.
That is because the fanbase, like most fan communities, are filled with oddball sex weirdos who will ship any two characters who are the same sex no matter how ridiculous and nonsensical the relationship is. Purely due to fetish reasons.

Take into consideration the other big ship that came out of TLOK was Kya and Lin, two characters who have never interacted in any piece of TLOK media or even have an established social connection outside of Lin obviously have some relationship with the family giving that she dated Tenzin.

Take also into consideration that the big male gay ship for TLOK is.... Bolin and Mako.
 
That is because the fanbase, like most fan communities, are filled with oddball sex weirdos who will ship any two characters who are the same sex no matter how ridiculous and nonsensical the relationship is. Purely due to fetish reasons.

Take into consideration the other big ship that came out of TLOK was Kya and Lin, two characters who have never interacted in any piece of TLOK media or even have an established social connection outside of Lin obviously have some relationship with the family giving that she dated Tenzin.

Take also into consideration that the big male gay ship for TLOK is.... Bolin and Mako.
Idk, the shippers were all about that Zutara when AtLA was airing, mostly girls self-inserting as the only girl who could actually have a romantic relationship, and of course Zuko who was the angsty bad boy. I never really saw any Sokka and Zuko shippers.
 
Idk, the shippers were all about that Zutara when AtLA was airing, mostly girls self-inserting as the only girl who could actually have a romantic relationship, and of course Zuko who was the angsty bad boy. I never really saw any Sokka and Zuko shippers.
Some people liked Zutara because it involved two intense people at the exact opposite sides of a war finding a connection and because Aang seemed a little too young for Katara. I suspect the main reason Bryke torpedoed Zutara was because they like seeing shippers scream and writhe when their ship goes down in flames.
 
Some people liked Zutara because it involved two intense people at the exact opposite sides of a war finding a connection and because Aang seemed a little too young for Katara. I suspect the main reason Bryke torpedoed Zutara was because they like seeing shippers scream and writhe when their ship goes down in flames.
The issue with Zutara is that it once again is the fanbase projecting their own desires onto characters without understanding anything about those characters. Fans like to make Zuko out to be this dark, brooding emo bad boy. They view him as what Gaara is to Naruto. Since they love Katara as the female lead of the series, they wanted her to be with Zuko because that is the kind of guy they fantasize about.

The problem is that that isn't anything close to what Zuko is actually like as a character. In reality he is this kind of socially-awkward, borderline dorky guy. What fans of the ship envisioned in their head was extremely different from how that relationship would actually look in the context of the franchise.

I think Bryke was partially willing to fan the flames a little bit because they were always fixated on the concept of a love triangle. But deep down they knew the main protagonist had to be the one walking away with their love interest. Especially when that was the relationship they actually spent the whole series building up before it finally coming together at the end.
 
Some people liked Zutara because it involved two intense people at the exact opposite sides of a war finding a connection and because Aang seemed a little too young for Katara. I suspect the main reason Bryke torpedoed Zutara was because they like seeing shippers scream and writhe when their ship goes down in flames.
I think the Ember Island Players episode shows more of what fans were thinking. I wish I had this much optimism in the fandom as you have.

Bryke tried to cater to the shippers in LoK, but failed spectacularly and ended up taking a crackship seriously, which pissed off most of the fanbase.
 
I have this unresearched feeling that the people that were into Zutara overlap quite a bit with the Twilight fanbase.

I think Bryke was partially willing to fan the flames a little bit because they were always fixated on the concept of a love triangle. But deep down they knew the main protagonist had to be the one walking away with their love interest. Especially when that was the relationship they actually spent the whole series building up before it finally coming together at the end.
Honestly, love triangles being a serious part of a story is always something I found hard to stomach. Very much not my cup of tea.

Bryke tried to cater to the shippers in LoK, but failed spectacularly and ended up taking a crackship seriously, which pissed off most of the fanbase.
The fact that they made Mako end up with Korra (for the first season), at the expense of both their characters which they had to backtrack on because even they knew such a relationship would not work, is asinine to me. You had precious little time to work on your story, world and characters and this is what you spent it on? To stick it to the Zutara weirdos? This is why I have no (big) problems with Korrasami. They at least got their act (somewhat) together and spent two seasons at least building the only ship they had not torpedoed. Damned by faint praise but still.
 
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