Ziz / Jack Amadeus LaSota / Zizians / sinceriously.fyi - Vegan AI Singularity Doomsday Cult turned Tranny Manson Family. Implicated in at least 6 deaths.

[ratters]

Was that one of the leaders or followers? That is crazy.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

Was that one of the leaders or followers? That is crazy.

He did it first, than a bunch of followers got in on it.

CULT MEMBERS FOLLOWED LEADER ON CASTRATION​

After Heaven’s Gate leader Marshall Applewhite was castrated, other cult members eagerly had the procedure, says the ex-member who discovered the suicides.

Applewhite decided to get castrated a year ago after two cult members went to Mexico for the procedure, Rio DiAngelo told Newsweek. Once Applewhite got castrated, five other cultists did the same.

“They couldn’t stop smiling and giggling” about the procedure, DiAngelo said. “They were excited about it.”

DiAngelo received two videotapes that described the cult members’ intentions. He went to the cult’s rented mansion near San Diego on March 26 and discovered the 39 bodies.

Investigators found $5 bills in the pockets of the dead, which DiAngelo said was a response to a member being hassled by police for vagrancy. DiAngelo said all members carried IDs and a small sum of money.

Originally Published: April 7, 1997 at 1:00 AM CDT

 

[Lord Of Shit]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy83958r2d0o

To my surprise the BBC is reporting on this. The word transgender is mentioned once in the article. Obviously the title just refers to a 'vegan cult'.

I just caught this too; it has officially entered the Normiesphere, but of course, the BBC is downplaying the troon affiliation.

It is somewhat remarkable and even heartening that they mention it at all; I think it may be evidence the even the Beeb may have passed Peak Trans.

 

[Clobber3]

Haven’t had time to read it yet but there’s a new article in wired that looks pretty deep. Couldn’t find an archive that worked.

https://www.wired.com/story/delirious-violent-impossible-true-story-zizians/

 

[Athena Save Us!]

Haven’t had time to read it yet but there’s a new article in wired that looks pretty deep. Couldn’t find an archive that worked.

https://www.wired.com/story/delirious-violent-impossible-true-story-zizians/

Summarize it when you do because I don't have a subscription.

 

[CervixHammer]

New deadname just dropped:

Weeks ago, I contacted the Solano County DA's office after my investigation led me to discover that Ziz trans terror member "Suri Dao" was actually being charged under a fake identity and fake birthday — something her defense will exploit at trial to make jurors question if prosecutors have the right person over the 2022 attempted assassination of Curtis Lind and the killing of fellow "Ziz" member Amir "Emma" Borhanian.
I can now confidenty report that "Suri Dao" is the alias of Tessa Berns, a 24-year-old female award-winning former child genius from Denver, Colo. Berns was adopted from China by a well-to-do white lesbian couple. As a teen, she was vocal about her support for open borders. She was awarded a full scholarship to attend Arizona State in 2019.
When she was arrested over the deadly and violent attack, she gave law enforcement an alias. Her family has been uncooperative in confirming Berns' identity to prosecutors
All members of the "Ziz" group use multiple aliases. Berns attempted to escape from custody and is being housed in a special medical ward.
Berns identifies as trans nonbinary now ("they/them") and used to use both male and female pronouns. She previously used the alias "Elizah." Her lawyer has tried to shield her legal name from the court and prosecutors.
Berns' lawyer Brian Ford told me: "All I can offer you is what I have said before: I have only ever known my client to be Suri Dao. Other than that, I am sure that Suri would prefer not to be in the news at all. They are not overly involved in any of this."

(ghostarchive)

 

[AnOminous]

Haven’t had time to read it yet but there’s a new article in wired that looks pretty deep. Couldn’t find an archive that worked.

https://www.wired.com/story/delirious-violent-impossible-true-story-zizians/

Wired is bullshit and will take the gayest, wokest version of the events as absolute truth. You cannot trust Wired, because it is wokeshit.

 

[Jupiter Doughnuts]

https://www.wired.com/story/delirious-violent-impossible-true-story-zizians/

It has some interesting actual reporting (went and talked directly to cops, lawyers, and family), but is hilariously credulous about the trans shit and never actually backs up to give the whole "CFAR and the rest of the Rats are batshit too" context.

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

Haven’t had time to read it yet but there’s a new article in wired that looks pretty deep. Couldn’t find an archive that worked.

https://www.wired.com/story/delirious-violent-impossible-true-story-zizians/

https://archive.ph/SNfs0
Detailed but the Wired is in total thrall to trannies so they completely overlook the tranny angle and refer to LaSota as she throughout. Does not mention the weird 'bigender' concept except in reference to Suri Dao. Funnily enough, they respect all the men's pronouns-but they refer to Dao and Zajko as she consistently. There's a confusing passage where they refer to a "Julia Dawson", which makes it sound like there's a previously unknown accomplice.

The blond friend of the group, who police said gave her name as Julia Dawson, was taken to the station for questioning. But after having what appeared to be a medical emergency, she was sent to the hospital as well. From there, she quietly slipped away.

However, later it turns out it was an alias of LaSota's, so they confused all their readers for no reason besides not hurting an insane cult leader's feelings.

Julia Dawson, the woman who’d slipped away from the hospital, was Ziz LaSota.

They could have at least gone "woman".

It does have some good details of the lolsuit. I wish we could get footage of Leatham in court:

In court, by summer 2021, the four had turned against their own defense lawyers, accusing one of misconduct. A month later, representing herself, Leatham filed to have the state judge Shelly Averill disqualified from the case on the grounds that she had “repeatedly misgendered me and my codefendants, including twice under penalty of perjury, and 10 times on the first court date after my writ petition where I told her misgendering me was bias and misconduct.” (Judge Averill admitted to misgendering Leatham but replied that she did not “misspeak intentionally or in any way intend to cause party offense.” A higher court ruled against Leatham.)

Another Leatham filing included numbered objections like “2. Shelly Averill is evil.” “3. Shelly Averill has read my previous accusation that she is evil and has not denied that she is evil.” “5. … Shelly Averill has omnicidal intent—she wants to destroy everything—especially prioritizing that which is good.” And “11. I will never be a man, no matter how much humans like Shelly Averill want to eradicate that truth from existence.”

And a couple of other interesting details:
Somebody in the rationalist community was worried enough to hire a private detective.

The only person I’d seen in the gallery who seemed tuned into the hearings was a beefy fifty- or sixtysomething white-haired man, sporting a goatee and wearing a black polo. He gave off the vibe of a private investigator, and when I introduced myself he confirmed as much, declining to give his name. “You can call me … Cliff,” he said, unconvincingly. We shared our bafflement at $500,000-to-$50,000 bail, and I asked why he was there. “Some people in California are interested in this case,” he said. “They’re afraid of this individual.”
That fear was evident among some rationalists as news of the violent incidents surrounding LaSota had spread. “I don’t want Ziz to ever think about me, ever,” a person involved in the Bay Area rationalist community said in an interview in 2023. “I think I know enough to be correctly scared of Ziz.”

Apparently LaSota faked sick to delay a court appearance, and his mother helped him:

When LaSota’s court appearance came, on the morning of August 21, 2023, the courtroom gallery was full of defendants waiting to be called for the day’s pleas. Shortly after court was gaveled into session, an older woman with gray-blond hair pushed a wheelchair into the back of the courtroom. In it, slumped to one side and dressed in flowing black, was LaSota. Now her hair too was black and appeared even more disheveled than when she’d been in jail. She was wearing what appeared to be an industrial N95 respirator mask, with valves on either side. McGarrigle, approaching his client in the back of the courtroom, seemed surprised. “What’s going on?” he said, leaning in. “I mean, what’s going on with your health?”

When LaSota’s case was called, the woman I later learned was LaSota’s mother wheeled her to the front, where she sat impassively in the chair, gazing blankly at the floor.

A new prosecutor had replaced the old one, and requested a continuance to get on top of all the facts. The judge assented, pushing the trial to December. “I just want the record to reflect that the defendant is here, and we’re ready,” McGarrigle said, before LaSota’s mother wheeled her back out through the doors.

Also, Leatham was put in a men's jail in spite of all his whining, and Dao was the rare pooner that insists on being locked up with men.

The murder cases against Alex Leatham and Suri Dao, meanwhile, had sunk into a seemingly endless quagmire. To the distress of Leatham and her family, she was being housed in a men’s jail despite demanding to be placed in a women’s. And to the bafflement of Dao’s lawyers, Dao demanded to be placed in a men’s lockup after being assigned to a women’s.

And both are considered too nuts to stand trial.

The judge disagreed. Based on testimony of doctors, he ruled that Leatham was “developmentally disabled and incapable of cooperating with counsel in the conduct of their defense, and understanding the nature and purpose of the proceedings now pending against them.” Leatham was committed to a mental health facility in Porterville, California, for a maximum of four years. Leatham would only go to trial if the facility, and then the judge, determined she’d returned to fitness.

In August 2023, Dao's attorneys asked that the criminal proceedings be suspended, believing that Dao was incompetent to stand trial. In a filing to the court, they wrote that their client had been suffering from depression, psychosis, and suicidal thoughts since the termination of their hormone therapy and had begun engaging in “self-mutilation.” Dao, they told the court, “will not speak to attorneys, doctors, the court, or anyone else,” “lacks awareness of court proceedings,” and “appears mentally vacant, incognizant, and to be suffering from some type of dissociative identity disorder.” Dao’s own attorneys also cited “transgender issues”—including their client’s wish to be referred to as “they” and placed in a men’s jail—as an “objective manifestation” of Dao’s incompetence. The case remained bogged down in mental health evaluations and hospital stays, and as 2023 bled into 2024 neither Leatham nor Dao was any closer to going to trial in California.

 

[Jupiter Doughnuts]

Apparently being a pooner who insists on going to a men's prison is evidence of being incompetent to stand trial.

In August 2023, Dao's attorneys asked that the criminal proceedings be suspended, believing that Dao was incompetent to stand trial. In a filing to the court, they wrote that their client had been suffering from depression, psychosis, and suicidal thoughts since the termination of their hormone therapy and had begun engaging in “self-mutilation.” Dao, they told the court, “will not speak to attorneys, doctors, the court, or anyone else,” “lacks awareness of court proceedings,” and “appears mentally vacant, incognizant, and to be suffering from some type of dissociative identity disorder.” Dao’s own attorneys also cited “transgender issues”—including their client’s wish to be referred to as “they” and placed in a men’s jail—as an “objective manifestation” of Dao’s incompetence.

Creepy quote from Ziz on suicides in the rat scene, especially in the context of the surgical equipment and stretchers found in the Zizian hovels.

“Maybe they died in a series of experimental brain surgeries that I performed without anesthetic since that’s against my religion, in an improvised medical facility?”

 

[Clobber3]

However, later it turns out it was an alias of LaSota's, so they confused all their readers for no reason besides not hurting an insane cult leader's feelings.

Honestly of all the rationalizations made of troons and literally psychopaths, having a by line and being scared of retribution if they ever get out is near the reasonable end of the scale imo.

 

[alphabetnigger]

Apparently being a pooner who insists on going to a men's prison is evidence of being incompetent to stand trial.


Creepy quote from Ziz on suicides in the rat scene, especially in the context of the surgical equipment and stretchers found in the Zizian hovels.

We believe you are a man, but you wanting to be in a mens jail makes you crazy. Almost like the whole thing was fucking stupid to begin with and you can't fight reality.

 

[Mikoyan]

Apparently being a pooner who insists on going to a men's prison is evidence of being incompetent to stand trial.

Catch-22, 21st century edition.

 

[Positron]

Two futures only? Extinction vs Utopia Why two? What really prevents an evil/unjust singleton? “No motive for predation post scarcity??” - false. Indifference is not enough 1. Evil cannot create (but can capture) 2. Good will destroy hell and punish all those who would build it

Roko's Basilisk never made sense to me, but something clicked when I read this. These people are scared shitless about the Basilisk because are imagining a super-AI to be all-good. Hence anything that stymie the development of a super-AI to be all-evil. And all-good will destroy all-evil. In other words, these "rational" people are importing the most crude form of Christian eschatological drama into their transhumanist fever dreams. Perhaps this is what Ziz means by "Core": however much they clothe their beliefs in the language of systems theory and information theory, the premise on which their world view is based remain pre-literate: a dualist drama of good vs evil. Worse, their version is much, much bleaker because there is no grace or forgiveness, only cold, unfeeling calculation. One of the great tragedies of men is how they keep creating idols in order to fell slave to them.

 

[Melony C]

Italian newspaper Corriere della sera didn't hold back and told it all 6 days ago: the veganism, the troonism, that LaSota is Ziz, all the murders, the rationalism, the AI stuff etc. and outright called them a sect.

The article
The archive

 

[Borax Bozo]

Hey, I guess today's thing I learned is "nerd" is "nerd" in Italian too!

 

[Meat Target]

And here comes the LA Times with the most ballwashing kid-gloves headline since "Austere Religious Scholar".
(Archive)

 

[AnOminous]

And here comes the LA Times with the most ballwashing kid-gloves headline since "Austere Religious Scholar".
(Archive)

"Vegan" is mostly associated with being really annoying, not psychotically murdering people, which is pretty much a troon specialty at least when they're not raping people and grooming children.

 

[Whore of Babylon 69]

I saw a video about the Zizians earlier and I came here to see if there was a thread on them.

I was ready to see prime, raw schizo material. Until I saw them cite Harry Potter and Injustice as deep philosophical works and realized it was much, much worse than I thought. lmao

And here I thought the Buffytards with their autistic theories on how their favorite Basic Becky show broke gender roles and changed the world was the bottom of the barrel.

How foolish I was.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

True crime YouTuber that chapter with 2.11m subs has made a video covering them. I haven't watched him in a while but he makes good stuff generally. I used to binge watch his stuff