Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Screamer_2]

Eh, but then JJ gets to steal credit for that movie that someone else made. One thing TLJ does well unironically is show just how empty those mystery boxes are because Abrams was forced to make a sequel and it was TROS, a series of images that are played in a sequence. It sounds like I'm defining a movie, but movies put scenes together for narrative purposes, which TROS does not do. Even if you grant the Sequels a mulligan on TLJ and watch as a Duology, it's still garbage.

But inherently with how empty JJ left the mystery boxes is that a good creative could put something interesting inside them. Instead of going, "there's nothing in there, oh well."

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Nah, the plot beats were already set in stone:
1. Rey is Luke's daughter.
2. The First Order have literally infinite men and material.
3. Every old character needs to die to tell Rey how awesome she is.

Do it straight or subvert it, it will suck balls.

As a side note, calling these “The First Order” and “The Final Order” is gay as fuck. It’s like Abrams’ child named these groups.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

As a side note, calling these “The First Order” and “The Final Order” is gay as fuck. It’s like Abrams’ child named these groups.

I feel like most media storytelling in general has been devolving into childlike story telling.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

SINGULARITY

 

[The Ugly One]

But inherently with how empty JJ left the mystery boxes is that a good creative could put something interesting inside them. Instead of going, "there's nothing in there, oh well."

It's also attributing a cleverness to Rian Johnson that isn't there. Yeah, so Abrams left him a bunch of plot threads that it was his job to pull on and do something with, and all he did was not do his fucking job. A good director would have taken the shitpile that was TFA, picked the most workable plot hooks, expanded on them, and delivered something that entertained audiences. Rian Johnson did that first year film school grad thing of deliberately annoying the audience because freaking out the squares is what art's all about or something. He wasn't doing a clever commentary on the emptiness of Abrams mystery boxes. He was being an annoying faggot because he thinks that's what great artists do.

 

[RSU 1741]

I feel bad for Finn. He had potential to be a character. Not necessarily a good one, but maybe have him with some notable moment.

The ST would have been much better if Rey simply did not exist and Finn was the hero.

I may catch some flak for this but Boyega is a good actor. In TFA Finn had promise. Sure, there are some peculiar comedy beats (like when we discover he's the equivalent of a Stormtrooper janitor) but he had the chance of being both the point of view character and the "everyman hero". He's not special, he's not heir of a Magical Bloodline. No prophecy about him. In TFA he's almost this, the moment where he gets the lightsaber untrained is almost poignant: heroism is not senseless sensorial overload with explosions or Young Adult heroines with Magical Bloodline Powers, but a man knowing what's right and acting in a moment.

Then he got reduced to a laughingstock, saddled with a fat asian slob and humiliated. Remind, you're a commoner, you can't make a difference, let your betters (that are genetically better than you because they come from the right families) act for you, and be thankful you can be a good servant or a puppy. Very endearing.

Boyega's interviews are also quite damning, it was clear he was completely done by the end.

Did you ever see the delated scene from TLJ with him and Phasma? Its somehow the best thing shot for the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzeIb-TZo_I

This one is quite good: Finn acts as a protagonist, the Stormtroopers are shown as humans, Phasma gets to do something. I enjoy that Finn uses the riot prod he got beaten up in TFA, one of the only semi-organic memes coming from the sequels (TRAITOR!).

But he must be useless, so they cut this.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I may catch some flak for this but Boyega is a good actor. In TFA Finn had promise. Sure, there are some peculiar comedy beats (like when we discover he's the equivalent of a Stormtrooper janitor) but he had the chance of being both the point of view character and the "everyman hero". He's not special, he's not heir of a Magical Bloodline. No prophecy about him. In TFA he's almost this, the moment where he gets the lightsaber untrained is almost poignant: heroism is not senseless sensorial overload with explosions or Young Adult heroines with Magical Bloodline Powers, but a man knowing what's right and acting in a moment.

Then he got reduced to a laughingstock, saddled with a fat asian slob and humiliated. Remind, you're a commoner, you can't make a difference, let your betters (that are genetically better than you because they come from the right families) act for you, and be thankful you can be a good servant or a puppy. Very endearing.

Boyega's interviews are also quite damning, it was clear he was completely done by the end.

I really hope that story about him being a fan was bullshit for his sake. This was a bad enough shitshow for any rando actor, but having to go through that for a thing you're a fan of? And then you're now the face of the thing you like going to shit?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I may catch some flak for this but Boyega is a good actor. In TFA Finn had promise. Sure, there are some peculiar comedy beats (like when we discover he's the equivalent of a Stormtrooper janitor) but he had the chance of being both the point of view character and the "everyman hero". He's not special, he's not heir of a Magical Bloodline. No prophecy about him. In TFA he's almost this, the moment where he gets the lightsaber untrained is almost poignant: heroism is not senseless sensorial overload with explosions or Young Adult heroines with Magical Bloodline Powers, but a man knowing what's right and acting in a moment.

The biggest irony is the Ruin Johnson then had Rey discover she is not the chosen one, in some of the stupidest writing ever which consists of her needing to accept her self fan fic isn't real (only for Jar Jar to retcon it only do the tired "descendent of the villain" twist). He could have just made Rey do the unimportant exploration shit and Finn go through with being with Luke and that might have actually improved the film since Rey was stuck in her planet all that time, while Finn would have wanted to know how to get stronger.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

The scene is still retarded for phasma somehow shooting at everyone in a circle before they react to still girlboss, but has some kernel of promise.

Nah, the plot beats were already set in stone:
1. Rey is Luke's daughter.
2. The First Order have literally infinite men and material.
3. Every old character needs to die to tell Rey how awesome she is.

Do it straight or subvert it, it will suck balls.

the thing that most bothered me is how theres a year between TLJ and RoS so Rey basically only had one year of Jedi training before being able to kill off Palpatine, the most powerful Sith Lord of all time by deflecting Force Lighting at his face with two lightsabers, any justifcation for that falls flat to me, the people responsible for the Sequel Trilogy need to be executed via firing squad, the writing was that bad.

 

[Screamer_2]

It's also attributing a cleverness to Rian Johnson that isn't there. Yeah, so Abrams left him a bunch of plot threads that it was his job to pull on and do something with, and all he did was not do his fucking job. A good director would have taken the shitpile that was TFA, picked the most workable plot hooks, expanded on them, and delivered something that entertained audiences. Rian Johnson did that first year film school grad thing of deliberately annoying the audience because freaking out the squares is what art's all about or something. He wasn't doing a clever commentary on the emptiness of Abrams mystery boxes. He was being an annoying faggot because he thinks that's what great artists do.

RJ took a few threads and mysteries and went, "What is the most obvious answer? I'll do the opposite and end them."

I view JJ's failure as he made TFA the way he worked on launching a TV, except when he did a TV show he was working with creatives who know how to take a story and continue it and expand it. RJ didn't know how to do that. He just wrote down a list of some plot points and mysteries. Then ended them. He also didn't think forward to what he was leaving the next writer to work with.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

JJ was Executive Producer on TLJ. Anything Rian did was approved by JJ and prior to the movie coming out JJ was publicly congratulating Johnson on his script, he was also (allegedly) doing the same in private according to media reports and interviews prior to the movie coming out. It's only AFTER the public outcry against TLJ happened that Rian was chucked under the bus by JJ and KK. And why wouldn't they? Rian was a convenient scapegoat and allowed them to maintain their reputations up until Solo bombed and RoS was a disaster.

I bet dollars to donuts that had TLJ been received positively by the public then JJ and KK would have continued to kiss his ass like they were prior to the movie's release and they would have capitalized on the idea that they were the brilliant visionaries who picked up a mostly unrecognized talent in Rian Johnson and fed him the miraculous story lines of TFA for him to continue into glory.

 

[Screamer_2]

But for TLJ to be received positively, it'd have to be a good film. So that's an entirely different situation.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

But for TLJ to be received positively, it'd have to be a good film. So that's an entirely different situation.

Yeah, true. But I get so tired of this narrative of "TLJ was Johnson's failure" because frankly he was only one fairly small cog in the machine. No one at any point stopped him and said "No Rian that's retarded" even though both JJ and KK had the power to do so. So for them to come out later after the movie is getting panned trying to save their own asses is horse shit and I think needs to be called out more, especially since prior to that they were all for TLJ and Rian's ideas.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I feel like most media storytelling in general has been devolving into childlike story telling.

 

[Screamer_2]

Yeah, true. But I get so tired of this narrative of "TLJ was Johnson's failure" because frankly he was only one fairly small cog in the machine. No one at any point stopped him and said "No Rian that's retarded" even though both JJ and KK had the power to do so. So for them to come out later after the movie is getting panned trying to save their own asses is horse shit and I think needs to be called out more, especially since prior to that they were all for TLJ and Rian's ideas.

Mark Hamill told him he was retarded with his take on Star Wars.

Rian Johnson wasn’t just a small piece of the puzzle. He wrote and directed The Last Jedi, shaping the story from scratch with Kathleen Kennedy’s support. She gave him the freedom to run with his vision, not a strict script to follow. The Story Group advised on lore, but the big creative calls—like Snoke’s death or Luke’s arc—were his. Kennedy approved it, sure, but Johnson drove it. So, he’s more than a cog; he’s the guy who built the heart of the film.

 

[Ghostse]

The scene is still retarded for phasma somehow shooting at everyone in a circle before they react to still girlboss, but has some kernel of promise.

Also the stupid Whedon quip.

It's also attributing a cleverness to Rian Johnson that isn't there. Yeah, so Abrams left him a bunch of plot threads that it was his job to pull on and do something with, and all he did was not do his fucking job. A good director would have taken the shitpile that was TFA, picked the most workable plot hooks, expanded on them, and delivered something that entertained audiences. Rian Johnson did that first year film school grad thing of deliberately annoying the audience because freaking out the squares is what art's all about or something. He wasn't doing a clever commentary on the emptiness of Abrams mystery boxes. He was being an annoying faggot because he thinks that's what great artists do.

I view JJ's failure as he made TFA the way he worked on launching a TV, except when he did a TV show he was working with creatives who know how to take a story and continue it and expand it. RJ didn't know how to do that. He just wrote down a list of some plot points and mysteries. Then ended them. He also didn't think forward to what he was leaving the next writer to work with.

Now you're not wrong, but counter point:
the person he shit on by doing this was JewJew Abrams the laziest no-talent hack so this makes it go from being childish and gay to completely hilarious and utterly based.

the thing that most bothered me is how theres a year between TLJ and RoS so Rey basically only had one year of Jedi training before being able to kill off Palpatine, the most powerful Sith Lord of all time by deflecting Force Lighting at his face with two lightsabers, any justifcation for that falls flat to me, the people responsible for the Sequel Trilogy need to be executed via firing squad, the writing was that bad.

But you see, she was all the Jedi.

 

[GlupShitto]

It was dead right at this moment:
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*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.

Expanding on this, Star Wars was doomed the second retards voted for Obama. There's no world in which Obama won that the Star Wars sequels wouldn't feature a demasculinized nigger as a part of the main cast. He completely redefined how people view niggers. To your average person, they're articulate, sensitive souls who are capable of love. You can never have another brutish or badass nigger again. That's why Samuel Jackson pretty much just plays lame ass pencil pushers and why we'll never see another Blade movie. It's also why they made Lando a faggot in Solo and made him bow to a feminist. Because niggers cannot be potentially threatening. I can't say I'm the biggest fan of niggers either way, but I miss when Hollywood was at least honest about how they're bigger and stronger than us, but half as smart.

 

[The Ugly One]

Now you're not wrong, but counter point:
the person he shit on by doing this was JewJew Abrams the laziest no-talent hack so this makes it go from being childish and gay to completely hilarious and utterly based.

Well, no, Johnson is the laziest, no-talent hack. The bar isn't all that high with Abrams to begin with, but Johnson played limbo right under it. He was handed a golden opportunity and showed the audience his ass. What would have been based is to have produced a follow-up movie that's so good the next guy followed all his beats, so that the ST is forever remembered as The Johnson Trilogy, and Abrams is virtually forgotten.

 

[GlupShitto]

Mark Hamill told him he was retarded with his take on Star Wars.

Rian Johnson wasn’t just a small piece of the puzzle. He wrote and directed The Last Jedi, shaping the story from scratch with Kathleen Kennedy’s support. She gave him the freedom to run with his vision, not a strict script to follow. The Story Group advised on lore, but the big creative calls—like Snoke’s death or Luke’s arc—were his. Kennedy approved it, sure, but Johnson drove it. So, he’s more than a cog; he’s the guy who built the heart of the film.

As cucked as Pablo is, I can't help but feel sorry for the Story Group people. They're probably the biggest Star Wars fans on the planet and they have every autist's dream job of getting to info dump about their hyperfixations, but they're refused any sort of control or veto power over retarded shit "creatives" do. I know that before the buyout, there were people (specifically a few people who ended up being in the story group) who were very unhappy with how TCW was run, so I imagine when they got this job and George went away, they were thrilled, only to find out they have no power and now they have to bow to even bigger retards than George ever was. Afaik the only people who actually communicated with the story group to make sure their stories don't contradict canon were Tony Gilroy, Rian Johnson (which is ironic), and a handful of the novel and comic people who actually care about Star Wars (which ironically is pretty much just the High Republic faggots like Charles Soule).

Also speaking of the Abrams films, I'm not sure if anyone's brought this up before, but I've learned that among the Star Wars leaking community, it's common knowledge that they had employees pitch endings to TROS and put it to a vote. I know that Pablo Hidalgo pitched Kylo living a life of self isolation on Ahch-To and I believe there was another pitch where Rey dies at the end.

 

[Screamer_2]

Also speaking of the Abrams films, I'm not sure if anyone's brought this up before, but I've learned that among the Star Wars leaking community, it's common knowledge that they had employees pitch endings to TROS and put it to a vote. I know that Pablo Hidalgo pitched Kylo living a life of self isolation on Ahch-To and I believe there was another pitch where Rey dies at the end.

The leaks in regards to TROS were all over the place and so much nonsense put out there. I'm still waiting for the George Lucas cut!!! Does Doomcuck still make videos?

I do however believe they were probably asking everyone for ideas and I think what we do know is they threw a lot of shit at the wall to try and figure it out. Was it ever confirmed that the "I am all the Jedi" scene had a version with force ghosts of major players?

I don't necessarily hate the idea of Kylo being on Ahch-To except his exile there just doubles down on how much I hate what they did with Luke there. It at least would have left room for him to "Finish" what Vader started in a future film. Whatever that was. Was it some grand scheme of galactic dominance? Or just to kill the last of the Jedi? Which he did in TLJ but somehow that one motivation for The First Order was a loss...