Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Audit]

If trump lowers inflation and raise take home income plus lower taxes, I will build a new shrine for him and worship him daily.

All he has to do to achieve that is stop mass immigration and return the third worlders. Without even raising wages, that'll crash cost of living.

OT, there are rumors of a bryansk offensive by the Ukes. I don't buy it myself. I doubt they have the men and equipment left to spare on another retarded offensive into Russia.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Say what you want about Hoholistan but anything breaking out there is just one or two transfer flights from the US.

That's basically everywhere that isn't South Georgia Island-level isolated.

Don't forget the general incompetence. Only half a century ago we where at the bleeding edge of technology and could build marvelous things. Today we can't even build a waterpark without it burning down in a giant inferno before it even opened up.

Christ, it's the Top Gear bit: "it's a building made of water and you set it on fire."

 

[Derka Derka]

OT, there are rumors of a bryansk offensive by the Ukes. I don't buy it myself. I doubt they have the men and equipment left to spare on another retarded offensive into Russia.

I think any ambition of trying another incursion into Russia went out the window after the losses at the Sudzha/Kursk direction.
It's more likely they will try take something important to them, like Energodar

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

My fellow Russian Kiwis, today is a glorious day of 23rd of February. С праздником мужики, так победим, ГОДА!

 

[Fapcop]

https://kyivindependent.com/eu-preparing-military-aid-package-for-kyiv-worth-20-9-billion-bloomberg-reports/

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-wants-to-declare-victory-over-ukraine-on-feb-24-ukrainian-intel-claims/

This is what I got from reddit.

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If they want war what are they gonna do about it? I'm just saying I think this is gonna get guardrailed because 1, if it goes through the world is gonna fucking end. 2, nobody wants to fight a war. A bunch of limeys and frogs are gonna pour over to either the new continent or to eastern europe ironically. I dunno.

lol!

Neither of those will work.

Europeans don’t have the money. And hypothetically speaking, let’s just say they decided to borrow 20 billion Euros to give to the Ukrainians… What then? Where are they supposed to get weapons from? America is the only one with any real production capacity. (Even if it’s still a pretty small capacity).

As for lowering the conscription age, that won’t work either. Not only is the 18-25 cohort the smallest one in Ukraine, which is why they originally didn’t draft them. They’re also leaving if they can.

I saw a report from Kiev the other day, where there were only girls in a class at school. The last 17 year old boy had just left a few days ago while he still could. (You can’t leave the country if you’re 1. )

Everyone knows it’s coming and parents who can, don’t take any chances and get their kids out.

Conscripting 18 year olds wouldn’t even stem the bleeding. Just throwing dead teenagers after dead men.

 

[TexWiller]

This shows a concerning level of ignorance of what "debt" actually is, and what wealth means.

well, enlighten us.

Redditors are legit retarded.
Sure, europe will spend 700B$ on their military. I will believe it when I see it.

Fat chance.
European countries gvt budget is around 50% GDP. in reality is more and central states mediate 100% of the economy, in a way or another. and GDP numbers are always skewed by public expenditure.

the govt budget is usually tied into 4 big items: public workers, healthcare, pensions, interest on debt.

These items are basically untouchable and only a few % are left for everything else including defence spending.

on top of that they are all running deficits (they spend more than they receive) and there are restrictions on deficit in the EU and euro area, even tho
Dracula is talking about slackening the restrictions in order to "invest" in defence but i dont see that happening.

add to that the C19 stimuli galore and the continent level house arrest for months, which caused massive drops in production and massive expenditures.
bottom line is, europe is broke and its economy is going down the drain FAST. politically, the elites are keeping the status quo by the skin of its teeth but large political storms are coming.

talk is cheap. when it will be the time to walk the walk, everything will evaporate because there is nothing behind the talk.

The head of the Swiss Army today said Switzerland will be able to send 200 soldiers to an eventual peace mission in Ukraine, in a year time. i dont know if it was trolling or serious talk.
And this is a country with a more or less healthy economy and military.

 

[Fapcop]

Here’s a picture demonstrating why it would be useless to mobilize the 18-25 year olds btw. Complete with an autistic addition by me.


The 18-25 cohort is tiny as you can see. Which is why they were left untouched so far. Not just because of concern for Ukraines demographic future, but also… Well they wouldn’t do that big of a difference.

 

[Stasi]

Europeans don’t have the money. And hypothetically speaking, let’s just say they decided to borrow 20 billion Euros to give to the Ukrainians… What then? Where are they supposed to get weapons from? America is the only one with any real production capacity. (Even if it’s still a pretty small capacity

It's a problem every nafoid Reddit has, everyone in the cope thread and hell a lot of people in this thread. This magical videogame thinking that having x amount of money or resources will just magic 400 tanks out of thin air, you just have to press the produce button in the menu.

It's the curse of the midwit - they know that money ultimately leads to production of goods but haven't got enough knowledge or reasoning power to understand how, why or what else goes into the construction and deployment of something like a tank (or anything else for that matter).

You can print up and throw $700 billion or even trillion at Ukraine or Europe, won't make any difference in their current real production capability (which is miserable compared to Russia) or the ultimate outcome of the war.

 

[Cuckoman]

Here’s a picture demonstrating why it would be useless to mobilize the 18-25 year olds btw. Complete with an autistic addition by me.

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The 18-25 cohort is tiny as you can see. Which is why they were left untouched so far. Not just because of concern for Ukraines demographic future, but also… Well they wouldn’t do that big of a difference.

Desperate times demand desperate measures.

Conscript the age group 8-12. Experience from Africa is positive. The 8 year olds are not mentally mature enough to understand danger or death so they are apparently super brave as shock soldiers. They also do not yet have a fully developed sense or ethics or morality so they are much better at those kind of activities done to demotivate and put the fear of god into the enemy civilian population.

"Long sleeve or short sleeve?" asked the 8 year old commander before chopping the prisoners arm off with a machete.

"8 year old kids with an ak47 and pumped up on heroin are the bravest and most corageous soldiers money can buy"
-- African warlord (probably any/all of them)

 

[BTS4Lyfe]

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Get giant TVs and let ticktock reels run on them. No deaths necessary except the braincells dying while watching that garbage.

 

[TexWiller]

It's a problem every nafoid Reddit has, everyone in the cope thread and hell a lot of people in this thread. This magical videogame thinking that having x amount of money or resources will just magic 400 tanks out of thin air, you just have to press the produce button in the menu.

This is what you get from having the last 2-3 generations working in fake office jobs, living in cities, and vacationing in holiday resorts.

they develop the idea that food comes from the supermarket, water from the tap, energy from the socket in the wall, and money from the central bank. the same that vote for the green revolution or other nonsense of this sort.

And then they blame boomers for this sorry state of affairs

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

It's a problem every nafoid Reddit has, everyone in the cope thread and hell a lot of people in this thread. This magical videogame thinking that having x amount of money or resources will just magic 400 tanks out of thin air, you just have to press the produce button in the menu.

It's the curse of the midwit - they know that money ultimately leads to production of goods but haven't got enough knowledge or reasoning power to understand how, why or what else goes into the construction and deployment of something like a tank (or anything else for that matter).

You can print up and throw $700 billion or even trillion at Ukraine or Europe, won't make any difference in their current real production capability (which is miserable compared to Russia) or the ultimate outcome of the war.

It really is literal videogame thinking. They're also all completely unaware that weapons require ammunition and vehicles need fuel and everything needs maintenance - because in C&C Generals you just make a unit and it drives around and shoots infinitely until it's either destroyed or the mission ends. Troops are apparently made in barracks out of pure cash.

They also seem to think that scientific and engineering progress works on videogame logic, too. Spend 250 food and 150 iron and wait for 60 seconds and all your units now have +1 armor.

 

[Fapcop]

It really is literal videogame thinking. They're also all completely unaware that weapons require ammunition and vehicles need fuel and everything needs maintenance - because in C&C Generals you just make a unit and it drives around and shoots infinitely until it's either destroyed or the mission ends. Troops are apparently made in barracks out of pure cash.

They also seem to think that scientific and engineering progress works on videogame logic, too. Spend 250 food and 150 iron and wait for 60 seconds and all your units now have +1 armor.

Western military hardware also seems almost designed to be produced in small numbers and very expensively.

Like the TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR Javelin missile that’s produced by hand using state of the art 80ies electronics.

Russia otoh don’t mind throwing a bunch of cheap off the shelf hardware into their missiles. The Lancet uses commercial electronics, including a bunch of ICs that are so cheap and numerous that source tracking is virtually impossible.

The M777 Howitzer uses state of the art construction and titanium to be as light as possible. That’s great, except you can’t make them in numbers and you can’t repair them in the field. Russia still uses howitzers dating back from the 50ies and 60ies. Because they’re reliable as fuck, and if you get an extra shift or two into the factory, you can make thousands of them a year.

European weapons manufacturer (and well: American, since Europe has outsourced most of their weapons) just doesn’t scale in the same sense. And it’s too late to change how. The know how and institutional knowledge to mass produce weapons is gone in Europe, and there’s no way of getting it back.

 

[Kola]

I don’t know your definition of wealth, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t involve deficits, huge national debts, little to zero growth and no production capacity.

USA has the largest public debt in the world, the largest external debt, and higher debt to GDP ratio than all but the top two countries you pasted here. They're spending double digits of their GDP on debt repayments to China and other foreign powers.

 

[Cuckoman]

USA has the largest public debt in the world, the largest external debt, and higher debt to GDP ratio than all but the top two countries you pasted here. They're spending double digits of their GDP on debt repayments to China and other foreign powers.

Yes.
It is not sustainable.
Unfortunately a lot of people that depend on this spending are very angry that Trump tries to do something about it and try everything they can to block his attempt to get spending and debt under control.

 

[Kola]

Yes.
It is not sustainable.
Unfortunately a lot of people that depend on this spending are very angry that Trump tries to do something about it and try everything they can to block his attempt to get spending and debt under control.

That's because he's cutting the wrong stuff. The federal budget mostly goes to a few things: 36% for the elderly, 20% for defense and veterans, 22% for helping the poor and disabled, and 13% on interest for the national debt. Together, that's 91% of all spending. With the US population getting older, that 36% is only going to get bigger. How do you decide what should be cut? That's where the disagreement is.

 

[Fapcop]

USA has the largest public debt in the world, the largest external debt, and higher debt to GDP ratio than all but the top two countries you pasted here. They're spending double digits of their GDP on debt repayments to China and other foreign powers.

Which is exactly why America needs to get out of world policing.

Unlike Europe, America has a few aces up their sleeve though.

*A thriving tech sector.

*Manufacturing. (Not on the scale of Russia or China, but compared to Europe it’s massive)

*The ability to print money on demand. Europe can’t do that. Their massive debts have to be serviced by either cutting gibs to rapists or cutting gibs to thugs.

It’s not sustainable in the long term, sure. But unlike Europe, the US has the ability to draw out the collapse and keep printing IOUs for a while more.

 

[Cuckoman]

That's because he's cutting the wrong stuff. The federal budget mostly goes to a few things: 36% for the elderly, 20% for defense and veterans, 22% for helping the poor and disabled, and 13% on interest for the national debt. Together, that's 91% of all spending. With the US population getting older, that 36% is only going to get bigger. How do you decide what should be cut? That's where the disagreement is.

He has just been about it for a month. He has 3 years and 11 months more to get to those other things. He will.

Is your objection the order in which he audits these faggot departments? Or is it that you want him to reverse the cuts he already made because you disagree with these cuts made?
He will get to those those others you refer to too but he has to do them one after the other because resources are not infinite.

EDIT: also, don't make the elephant the first prey you go hunt as a novice hunter. Start small at a deer or something, learn the hunt and work your way up to bigger and bigger prey.
Don't go to the Kruger-park hunting oliphants with nothing but your Bowie knife as your first prey.

 

[Fapcop]

That's because he's cutting the wrong stuff. The federal budget mostly goes to a few things: 36% for the elderly, 20% for defense and veterans, 22% for helping the poor and disabled, and 13% on interest for the national debt. Together, that's 91% of all spending. With the US population getting older, that 36% is only going to get bigger. How do you decide what should be cut? That's where the disagreement is.

You can start by cutting the massively bloated Pentagon budget, which Trump has already signaled he’s willing to do.

Pulling the US out of playing empire will release massive amounts of money and human capital.

 

[BTS4Lyfe]

The ability to print money on demand. Europe can’t do that. Their massive debts have to be serviced by either cutting gibs to rapists or cutting gibs to thugs.

Nigga may i introduce the EZB to you. Those faggots have been printing digital money just like the US has devaluing our currency too. We are facing the same issues on that front for sure. Total banker death. I hope the US fucks more then just VISA up the ass.