Milo Yiannopoulos / Milo Wagner / Milo Hanrahan / @nero - Gets banned from everywhere, Stole charity money and general supervillan antics, Probably a Fed

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man i got called a bigot today because i said i wasnt afraid of a gay meth head cockslut with a wack ass haircut literally clutching pearls ironically on bill maher

the course of the argument changed m mind tho. at first i said i wasnt impressed by milo at all, now im in awe at how he inspires massive amounts of retard screeching from both sides.
 
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1) him saying a 15 year old should be allowed to have sex with a much older party they consent to is not pedophilia.
2) what he's saying he supports is what is considered legal in most of Europe
3) I don't support his opinion and personally believe age of consent should be 18

What I am saying is that

1) it's ridiculous to for the left to be putting him to the pillory for saying he supports what is not only a) legal in most of the world and b) something they would support themselves if someone else but Milo said it
2) you cannot divorce his history as a rape victim from those statements


Nuance, motherfucker.

Milo doesn't get a pass on making statements in favour of child abuse because he himself was abused sexually as a child.

The incidence of child sexual abuse in western countries (the only places we get any sort of figures for) is high. The old trope that ALL those people go on to be abusers/enable abusers is absolute bullshit.

We know what was done to us was wrong. The overwhelming majority of us don't go on to abuse other people, enable abuse of children or in any way defend the abuse of children.

I hope Milo is able to heal from his past. I do not accept that part of his coping strategy being to advocate for abusive relationships with children is A-OK because it's his coping strategy.

I can strongly disagree with his view without in any way invalidating his past trauma or his survivor status.
 
Milo doesn't get a pass on making statements in favour of child abuse because he himself was abused sexually as a child.

The incidence of child sexual abuse in western countries (the only places we get any sort of figures for) is high. The old trope that ALL those people go on to be abusers/enable abusers is absolute bullshit.

We know what was done to us was wrong. The overwhelming majority of us don't go on to abuse other people, enable abuse of children or in any way defend the abuse of children.

I hope Milo is able to heal from his past. I do not accept that part of his coping strategy being to advocate for abusive relationships with children is A-OK because it's his coping strategy.

I can strongly disagree with his view without in any way invalidating his past trauma or his survivor status.

Agreed.

He might have been abused as a child, and for that he has my pity. As an adult, he gets no love from me for advocating the perpetuation of his own trauma.

Yes, I get it, it's likely very dark humor on his part and it helps him cope, but the reality that sort of joking leads to is no laughing matter.
 
if this was a sjw youd be over them, attacking them lol but congrats on white knighting for this pedo apologist becus he agrees with ur politics

I have also said something along those lines about Ali Rapp due to the abuse she suffered

She's much worse however because Milo is talking about 15 year olds while she's straight up talking about children.

Both of them discussing the sexualization of young people at the age they were themselves abused.

Milo doesn't get a pass on making statements in favour of child abuse because he himself was abused sexually as a child.

The incidence of child sexual abuse in western countries (the only places we get any sort of figures for) is high. The old trope that ALL those people go on to be abusers/enable abusers is absolute bullshit.

We know what was done to us was wrong. The overwhelming majority of us don't go on to abuse other people, enable abuse of children or in any way defend the abuse of children.

I hope Milo is able to heal from his past. I do not accept that part of his coping strategy being to advocate for abusive relationships with children is A-OK because it's his coping strategy.

I can strongly disagree with his view without in any way invalidating his past trauma or his survivor status.

Did you even bother reading my post? I didn't defend what he said, I said I disagreed with his position, and he's not talking about abusive relationships with children, he's talking about 15 year olds having consensual relationships with older partners.

That is not in any way similar to defending pedophilia or advocating for abusive relationships even though I completely disagree with him and think he's wrong.
 
Milo doesn't get a pass on making statements in favour of child abuse because he himself was abused sexually as a child.

Well, that's good, because he didn't actually do it. He 1) made a joke about a crime that he was personally the victim of, and 2) said he was benefited by a relationship with an older man. He was 19 at the time of that relationship.

Then these two were shoved together out of context to make it look like the second statement was about pedophilia, and not about the relationship he had as a young adult.
 
Well, that's good, because he didn't actually do it. He 1) made a joke about a crime that he was personally the victim of, and 2) said he was benefited by a relationship with an older man. He was 19 at the time of that relationship.

Then these two were shoved together out of context to make it look like the second statement was about pedophilia, and not about the relationship he had as a young adult.

If so, then that definitely pushes all this nonsense into the realm of dark, tacky humor twisted by selective hearing than pedo normalization.
 
15 year olds are stil considered children by law, is this the ol' ephebophile defense? pedophilia regardless of age is wrong

In America yes, in Europe and most of the world no. 15 is pretty much the world average. Something I pointed out when I said I disagreed with him

Don't see the point of arguing with people if you won't even read the shit they write in the first place
 
I have also said something along those lines about Ali Rapp due to the abuse she suffered

She's much worse however because Milo is talking about 15 year olds while she's straight up talking about children.

Both of them discussing the sexualization of young people at the age they were themselves abused.



Did you even bother reading my post? I didn't defend what he said, I said I disagreed with his position, and he's not talking about abusive relationships with children, he's talking about 15 year olds having consensual relationships with older partners.

That is not in any way similar to defending pedophilia or advocating for abusive relationships even though I completely disagree with him and think he's wrong.

Calm down. This is not a personal attack on you. I read your post, yes. I also never anywhere said you agree with him, because you clearly don't. I said that he does not gain immunity from criticism because he is a victim of CSA. Being a victim of CSA does not give anyone a free pass from being criticised for their expressed views on child sexuality. The right to free speech does not include the right to be agreed with.

As for the rest of your post, a 15 year old having a sexual relationship with an adult involves a gross disparity not simply in terms of maturity, but in terms of relative power in the relationship. That power can be social, economic or even a relationship involving a position of trust.

Relationships with huge power imbalances are incredibly difficult to navigate. They have enormous potential for abuse by the more powerful partner. This is true regardless of the ages, genders and sexualities of the individuals involved. Children massively lack emotional and psychological maturity to do that navigating. Which is why western societies impose a blanket prohibition on them. There may be the rare Mandy Smith who feels they can negotiate such a relationship successfully, but the majority of children can't without being significantly harmed in the process.

15 year olds do a lot of dumb shit. Most western societies have laws preventing them volunteering to do the most dangerous of dumb shit precisely because they are understood to lack the insight and understanding of the consequences involved in that dumb shit. Fucking adults is included along with driving, drinking, and military service in that class of Shit That Could Really Blow Up In Your Face Kid.

But this is a sideshow, because the issue here is not whether or not Milo's opinion is justified, or supported by evidence, or even popular. The First Amendment applies to speech regardless of the quality of the argument being presented. The issue here is that he has a perfect right to his opinion, and no right to not be criticised for it, and no right to be shielded from any poor consequences - career or image wise - that may flow from it.

This is a lolcow site. We're here precisely because people fuck up and say foolish things and don't get to forget about them. Sometimes they say shit for attention, and they get the wrong sort of attention, and we consider that to be a natural consequence of saying shit for attention. If he did not want his remarks on his relationship as an adult with another, older, adult to be conflated with his remarks on child sexual exploitation, he should have been much more fucking careful with his context. This is Milo. This is not some twelve year who is not good with computer and doesn't understand how he got here. This is a professional provocateur. He knows how the game is played.

Milo is absolutely entitled to his opinion and to express it as freely as he wants. Everyone else is entitled to disagree with him. He does not know something about being sexually exploited that other former sexually exploited children don't. He does not have special status here.

You're trying to play the victim card for Milo here, and you know better.
 
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Christ, that was a blast from the past.
 
It's amazing how much power and magic young people invest in the word "pedophile". You're on the verge of destroying any real meaning it has by overapplying it -- similar to the recent abuse of the words "racist" and now "Nazi".

Relationships between teenaged boys and middle-aged men are incredibly common in gay male pairings. And, no, I'm not sticking up for that. I'm old enough I still genuinely believe homosexuality is a mental disorder.

But you don't have to like or agree with anything about Milo to love the salt he brings out in people.
 
he's not talking about abusive relationships with children, he's talking about 15 year olds having consensual relationships with older partners.
Yeah see the idea is that 15-year-olds can't legally consent, that fucking a 15-year-old when you're an adult is inherently coercive, etc. People really shouldn't have to explain this to you on Kiwi Farms of all places.
 
Yeah see the idea is that 15-year-olds can't legally consent, that fucking a 15-year-old when you're an adult is inherently coercive, etc. People really shouldn't have to explain this to you on Kiwi Farms of all places.
In America yes, in Europe and most of the world no. 15 is pretty much the world average. Something I pointed out when I said I disagreed with him

Don't see the point of arguing with people if you won't even read the shit they write in the first place
 
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