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Should be a wild four years.

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I'm concerned that many people do not understand the historical and institutional context in which the DOGE labor reforms are unfolding. They look at this as if these are some random, chaotic, arbitrary, strange, and even cruel measures to impose on a devoted civil service.

The reality is very different, and I'm not even sure that Elon entirely understands this. For more than a century, even dating back to 1883, the civil service has grown and grown without check from the elected branch, either the presidency or the legislature . The bureaucracies have ballooned from a few to 450 or so. The bloat and absurdities have grown too.

Get this: no one has ever known what to do about it. Not Coolidge, not Hoover, not Nixon, not Reagan, not Clinton, no one. No president has been able to crack this nut. The only reforms ever to have made it through are those that make the administrative state bigger, never smaller.

Countless cabinet secretaries have come and gone, always with the intention of making a change but leaving saddened, demoralized, outwitted, outgunned, and ultimately devoured.

No president has seriously taken on this problem because they simply did not know how. The unions are powerful, the intimidation from the deep institutional knowledge is overwhelming, the fear of the media as been powerful, and every single president comes to power vaguely feeling threatened by the intelligence agencies. The industries that have captured every single agency were also far too powerful to unseat or control.

This combination of institutional inertia has blocked serious reform for a full century. No one has dared. No one has even had a theory or strategy about what to do about this problem. It had become so terrible that most people in politics have simply surrendered, like homeowners who know there are rats in the basement and bats in the attic but long ago gave up trying to fix the issue.

All this time, the American people have felt themselves ever more oppressed, weighed upon, taxed and regulated, spied upon, brow beaten, and otherwise overwhelmed. Voting never made any difference because the politicians no longer controlled the system. The bureaucracies ruled all.

The Biden years underscored the point. We didn't even need a conscious and present executive. We only needed a figurehead to pretend to be president, just like the Soviet premiers in the old days. The institutions ran everything and the people controlled nothing.

How to deal with this? Trump alone figured it out in his last term: he simply took charge of the agencies in a limited way. There were screams of horror and plots galore. They performed a long stream of clever schemes to destroy him and show him who is boss, which is not the democratically elected president but the forces behind the scenes.

The job of the president, goes the message from all the insiders, is to PRETEND to be in charge but not actually do anything meaningful. Shut up, mug up, obey, and disturb nothing, let the administrative state do its thing without oversight or disruption, and then you will get your honorary library and bestselling autobiography and go down in history as great.

Trump refused the deal and look what happened.

Four years have gone by and Trump is back again, this time with a determination to slay this beast, one that he knows all-to-well. The efforts of DOGE and MAHA and MAGA are epic in scope, breaking a century of pathetic acquiescence toward the deep, middle, and shallow states, at last using moral courage to confront the problem head on, come what may.

They are profoundly aware that they MUST act fast and with some degree of ferocity, even recklessness, else we will default back to the status quo of leaders who pretend to be in charge while the embedded system runs things behind the scenes.

It has been this way for TOO LONG. The voters this time have demanded change, and mustered the faith to believe that change is possible. This is precisely what DOGE is attempting, to make good on a promise, a promise that for once the voters actually believed was credible.

They simply must succeed. There might never be another chance. The way of failure is the path everyone knows the US was on, toward economic stagnation, political scolerosis, and eventual irrelevance in the unfolding of the next stage of social evolution.
 
I was shocked when someone mentioned earlier in the thread that income taxes only provide HALF of the government's revenue, AND IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE!?!?!??!!?

In 2024, only 49% of federal revenue came from income taxes

All this time I've been thinking taxes are a necessary evil of modern civilization, but if we cut the budget by 50% literally no one would ever have to pay income tax? Probably less since we go over budget every year anyway.

And all this time we've been giving gazillion dollars to 90 Whogiveashitistans and funding two or more wars at once, while also employing millions of government employees to do nothing?

I wonder how hard freeing up 49% of the budget would really be.

Wonder what happens when you mix that with DOGE cutting out government waste, Trump telling Europe to pay for it's own defense, stopping the war in Ukraine while securing mineral rights to actually PAY BACK the loans, drilling for oil domestically, and seizing Greenland with its natural resources and retaking the lucrative Panama canal?
Why do we need income taxes at all?
If you abolish other taxes that frees up people's income to bear the tax you want to increase.
No sales tax, property tax, other bullshit taxes? That's a lot more income to absorb the blow of higher income taxes.
No income tax? They could crank up sales tax.

The best taxes available - this is like textbook econ - are:
Land value tax with an exemption for private residences and family businesses
Tariffs
Carbon taxes if you believe in the global warming bullshit
 
You could tell them how there are Hurricane Helene victims still living in tents and freezing to death right now, but they will laugh at you because it's not "real" to them because the man on the TV didn't tell them about it.
i've seen it on the right as well, the difference is that because Trump told them not to trust fox news a decade ago they're getting their news from other sources and are closer to the truth. like my parents knew about the Haitians eating the dogs before it even made the 24hour news shows. its also a whole thing about trusting the people on the idiot box. most people can't understand canon, much less figure out who's bullshiting them or not, at least the ones on the right have way more "experts" to chose from and by nature of the algo they get a lot closer to the real news than any leftist.
My internal monologue turned into an angry rant in my head calling them ants and lemmings,
if it makes you feel better, technically guys like you destroy civilizations and the NPC types save them. in pre-modern battles the side that routed first lost, and because a rational person wouldn't sit still and wait for someone to shoot them or stab them, naturally someone like you needs way more training to sit there and do what their officer tells them.

Meanwhile those NPCs are like the best soldiers for a phalanx, they just stand there and point the sharp end at the enemy and don't move until told to, even when they have 1000 pointy pikes aimed at them. roughly 3000 years of warfare has relied on someone who doesn't think for themselves but just trusts someone else to tell them what to do, even if its as absurd as standing still like a stone wall while cannons and gunfire is being shot in your direction and you can hear the bullets fly past your head.
It wouldn't matter anyways, as Obama has lost that swagger due to age.
people forget Obama, despite his love of his iphone, wasn't really internet based. the 2008 and 2012 runs were very low on meme magic. his run was a lot closer to a TV era run than the internet based runs of guys like Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders or our very own Donnie Trumpo. I know for a fact Obama wouldn't be able to keep his shit together for a 3 hr podcast, he could barely stand doing a 30 minute podcast with Bruce Springstein, once someone took Obama to task he'd start going if-if-if-if-if-if, Okie Dokie like when asked about Trump 8 years ago.
interviewer is seething
have you noticed its always these "chad" archtypes too? its like with Chris Klewe, they are tall white attractive relatively fit and despite all that they love sucking tranny cock more than anyone. they really are bimbo sterotypes but with cocks. also "feel like a group fitness instructor" might be one of the best lines i've heard.
Most qualified tech jobs have to do this daily btw, you have a meeting where each person on a team has to explain to the team what they did yesterday.

The fact asking for a private email once a week is too much for some people is crazy
every computer based job i've had can and does track by the hour if not the minute. even the warehouse jobs i've had at least track by the week at the latest and usually go by the day. the fedjob bitching reminds me of the ukranians going "how would you americans feel if someone from another country took over your neighborhood?" like buddy, its not the 80s anymore.
 
"It's frankly embarrassing. Not just..um... in congress but as Americans. The fact that they are ALLOWED to say these things."
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If she didn't want to be called a brother fucking towelhead nigress, then she shouldn't be a brother fucking towelhead nigress. Even Alabama who were constantly slandered as a group of incestuous rednecks constantly didn't resort to talking about killing free speech over it.
 
I do this with my wife all the time. I ask "is this a listening conversation, or a solving conversation?"
She doesn't take it as an insult, it means she doesn't get frustrated by me trying to "fix" her problem.
If they get mad at it that's the one fight worth having as it prevents a ton of future fights. You basically say the exact same thing to them again and again in different ways until they understand its not malicious or underhanded. "Baby I am just trying to meet you where you are as a person and accept the whole you. It is really MY flaw that I rush to fix your problem instead of listening and hearing you".

It makes me so mad that women are ruining this country because it really just comes down to MEN's treatment of them. This shit about poor starving children in other countries never should have gotten beyond "that is sad hunny someone should do something about that maybe france"
 
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No we should feel bad for the parasites.
exactly, to add to my point they didnt even follow their own rules or laws, musk posted how he was threatened by biden for not hiring illegal immigrants, the institutions literally only existed to hurt law abiding tax paying americans who made their cushy lives possible at all. didnt even have the courtesy to change the rules to explicitly benefit them and their foreign imports just bent the rules to try and gaslight us by saying the rules wouldnt let them do that.

And to top it all off im not even allowed to complain to them about how they fucked up the lives of the people around me directly.
If she didn't want to be called a brother fucking towelhead nigress, then she shouldn't be a brother fucking towelhead nigress. Even Alabama who were constantly slandered as a group of incestuous rednecks constantly didn't resort to talking about killing free speech over it.
ethnic groups can never integrate and will always play for themselves and try to make it celebrated to shit on natives and prop up the invaders.
 
From memory:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Get fucked. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅
you got that tattooed on ya or something.
 
Elon thread is the new DJT thread. Same sort of faggots, same sort of Orange Man Bad shit. They keep shitting it with political sperging and making discussion of the actual lolcow shit Elon does with his baby mamas and fake gamer personal to sperg about DOGE and Orange Man by proxy.

They were literally excusing the US Federal Government to keep bashing Elon. Pretending it doesn't waste money.
It does demonstrate the issues threads on political cows have, as cited in Null's post closing the Trump thread, and it's disappointing how often posts there are just about Trump or even US politics generally. I've just come around to the idea that it's serving as a containment thread like this one.

Someone there said they should bring back the Trump thread, and Trombonista said "I'm waiting for Trump to say or do something so ridiculous that even the average KF user goes, "Yeah, this guy's a clown." It's just not going to happen. I think if you wanted to unfuck the Elon thread, you basically need to start USPG2 but for people who are sad Trump won. It would be nice to imagine everyone could hang out and fight here, but given the lesson of the Russia and Ukraine threads it probably wouldn't work. There's already the TES and TDS threads, but those don't see nearly as much action.
 
Elon thread is the new DJT thread. Same sort of faggots, same sort of Orange Man Bad shit. They keep shitting it with political sperging and making discussion of the actual lolcow shit Elon does with his baby mamas and fake gamer personal to sperg about DOGE and Orange Man by proxy.

They were literally excusing the US Federal Government to keep bashing Elon. Pretending it doesn't waste money.
I opened it once and it was as pathetic as bluesky maybe even worse. Also funny how quick the moderation is there if you dare to mess up their safe space how resetera of them.

If you don't like Trump or Elon cool but if you think the extreme bloat, waste and inefficiency of the govt is not the defining issue that must be dealt with to save the country you are a fucking legit retard.
 
'24 was a 2v1. About half of us would argue he beat Biden 1.5 times.

If you believe the polling from before Biden dropped out, it was said internally that Trump was absolutely crushing him, this intensified after their debate. Some speculated that he may have actually beaten Biden worse than he did Kamala and the Kamala thrashing was still gnarly.
 
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honestly it does make me mad what happened with the elon thread here, because it reminds me of what happened with the enough elon spam subreddit. the legit gripes got drowned out by the political nonsense. Elon actually does have a lot from the business end to shit talk him about. the Model 3 was a true shit show of a roll out, they literally were hiring home depot illegals to make them by hand in parking lots like it was the 1890s. Solar City was completely bullshit too, Elon using tesla funds to bail out his retarded cousins.

The problem is people would prefer focusing elsewhere and that leads to the entire thread becoming retarded. If you don't understand why people might be pissed that 1 out of 5 SSI numbers are being used despite the person given them being dead, you're clearly too fucking politically obsessed to be rational or even worthy of discussing this rationally.
 
Facing mounting criticism from within their own party, Democratic leaders in Congress are seeking to address these concerns. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer urged patience, telling Semafor, “Trump will screw up.”
He will, but why do I feel like this is never gonna result in a "Democrats pounce" headline even though Schumer is openly lying in wait for it?
A Gallup poll shows 45% of Democrats now prefer a more moderate party direction, an 11 percentage point increase since 2021.
I have no data to back this up but I feel 100% confident this is just another way to say they want to dump the T.
 
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