Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Saxxon]

Out of all those, I genuinely don't see anyone buying Chaz merch. The gross sharkman whose dialogue is 90% talking about cum isn't very marketable.

You underestimate the fans of this show, we are talking about the same show where one of the production members became a prostitute because he got inspired by Angel Dust.

 

[Executive Petrel]

What happened it's now a griefing thread? Did Vivizie finally burst?

 

[InJailOutSoon]

The thing with Husk being a former military member was apparently a joke on a stream, which later Viv had to go out of her way to confirm being a joke. Which, falls back into the problem that Viv tosses so much stuff around, that its hard to tell what material is supposed to be taken as canon and what isn't, because she barely confirms it stuff. At one point, after S1, she went on saying how Vox is supposed to be trans, but that felt like pointless pandering. Heck, one can even ask if Angel Dusts mobster and WW2 vet backgrounds now remained canon or not.

That's the weirdest part, Angel is supposed to be from like a famous mob family (least by his old lore), hence his experience with the criminal side off things. But, in the show that's barely brought up, frankly shouldn't his entire mob family be higher than Valentino? Sure, the guy is buddies with Vox and Velvett, but doesn't seem like Vox cares much for Val's side of the business, and if Angel's entire mob family is from the 30's era, shouldn't they have been calling more shots and even considering Vox and Val as ones who answer to them?

Yeah, us farmers even forget that the stuff that we were sure was canon at one point may not be canon in the actual show. For example, Rosie being a hellborn is something that was never stated by Viv in the past or now. Erin Faustisse was the one who said that back in the pilot days and she doesn't work on Hazbin anymore. No wonder people are confused because you got one side who has followed the show's lore since day one who kept up with all the live streams and social media post, and the other side who just got into the show when it came out on Amazon who are confused where the previous side is getting all this info at.

And Viv doesn't help with this because she doesn't confirm or deny the information in the show itself. She expects you to know all this stuff before watching her show. And then accuses you of being "media illiterate" for not getting it because you didn't watch the live stream where she made an offhanded remark about this important worldbuidng point back in 2020.

 

[make_it_so]

And now I kinda want to see a fanfic where PilotCharlie and SeriesCharlie are twins, with the former serving as a moderating influence on the latter.

I can already see the meeting at the Embassy play out, it'd starts with PilotCharlie laying out the timetable of this business before adding a "surprise topic" to the end and SerialCharlie vibrating excitely in place. There's a brief fastforward with Adam being visibly bored while discussing whatever is being discussed at that sorta meeting, then he perks up at the "surprise topic" (because he's kinda hoping the surprise will be a twins strip show) only to be disappointed when it's the Charlie duo launching a musical number on the Happy Hotel. He's not dismissing it out of hand because PilotCharlie conceded this is unchartered territory and they might very well fail, but they will try anyway. But Adam is still sceptical and the extermination is still happening six months ahead of schedule.

Incidentally enough, one of the AU subgenres of Hazbin Hotel fanfiction is "Adam gives Charlie and the Hotel a chance."

Some examples:

Hell is Forever - Extremely well written but sadly seems to be abandoned.

You Don't Take Shit From Any Demons! (Or Angels) - CHADam moves into the hotel for six months, hijinks ensue.

Earn It - More comedy focused but clearly takes a lot of inspiration from Uncle Adam.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Faustisse's exact words regarding Rosie is that she "never died", as said on their stream at 3:33:45 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200219104759/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15UYpcWJ_Q). Perhaps, there's a subspecies of Sinners who came to Hell and became demons without having to pass away on Earth. Oddly, the HB tweet stating the "Sinners can only be in Pride" lore needed to specify that the Sinner needed to be dead.

Granite, the only other Sinner we know of that came to Hell without dying is...

...is...

... shit.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Faustisse's exact words regarding Rosie is that she "never died", as said on their stream at 3:33:45 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200219104759/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15UYpcWJ_Q). Perhaps, there's a subspecies of Sinners who came to Hell and became demons without having to pass away on Earth. Oddly, the HB tweet stating the "Sinners can only be in Pride" lore needed to specify that the Sinner needed to be dead.
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Granite, the only other Sinner we know of that came to Hell without dying is...

...is...

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... shit.

It's always this bullshit. Viv can never keep her mouth, shut and spoils it to everyone, as her team just leaks stuff like a damn faucet.

 

[Rakdos92]

Perhaps, there's a subspecies of Sinners who came to Hell and became demons without having to pass away on Earth. Oddly, the HB tweet stating the "Sinners can only be in Pride" lore needed to specify that the Sinner needed to be dead.

Come to think of it, that would imply that some people were so terrible in their life, they arrive in Hell before they die and not after. Like a reversal of Enoch.

Incidentally enough, one of the AU subgenres of Hazbin Hotel fanfiction is "Adam gives Charlie and the Hotel a chance."

Because it's a early change in rails, it's something Adam might've been interested in if not for one of his girls been killed in this year's extermination, and (let's not kid ourselves) Adam has too much potential to constrain him to just three episodes.

Also:

Hell is Forever - Extremely well written but sadly seems to be abandoned.

I haven't read that one yet. Probably because it's on fanfiction.net, but ty for giving a link.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Come to think of it, that would imply that some people were so terrible in their life, they arrive in Hell before they die and not after. Like a reversal of Enoch.

So you’re saying that in the Hellaverse, if you do drugs you go to Hell before you die?

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Faustisse's exact words regarding Rosie is that she "never died", as said on their stream at 3:33:45 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200219104759/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15UYpcWJ_Q). Perhaps, there's a subspecies of Sinners who came to Hell and became demons without having to pass away on Earth. Oddly, the HB tweet stating the "Sinners can only be in Pride" lore needed to specify that the Sinner needed to be dead.
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Granite, the only other Sinner we know of that came to Hell without dying is...

...is...

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... shit.

Damn. That whole "Rosie being Lilith is disguise" becomes truer with every passing moment.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Damn. That whole "Rosie being Lilith is disguise" becomes truer with every passing moment.

Wasn't it outright confirmed with one of the season 2 leaked songs of Rosie being the one who gave Alastor his power and owns his ass.

 

[Rakdos92]

So you’re saying that in the Hellaverse, if you do drugs you go to Hell before you die?

Not that different from RL, then. /jk

More seriously, you have to do a lot worse than that. Think Gary from Faith.

 

[Saxxon]

Wasn't it outright confirmed with one of the season 2 leaked songs of Rosie being the one who gave Alastor his power and owns his ass.

Yes, but it does not go in deep as to how Rosie can even grant Alastor the ability to be the strongest sinner which already clues you in that she's not your typical overlord if she has that kind of power.
Tho a part of me can't shake the feeling that with the way Viv changed the entirety of Ghostfuckers after the leaks that she too will change some parts of the Rosie=Lilith plot point after it got leaked, afterall she still has time before any of that enters the picture and given with how modern writers are obsessed with subverting expectations, they will go the route of adding more retarded twists like Rosie being an actual person that's under Lilith's control or even just making the whole thing into a red herring.

 

[The tired cat]

Yes, but it does not go in deep as to how Rosie can even grant Alastor the ability to be the strongest sinner which already clues you in that she's not your typical overlord if she has that kind of power.
Tho a part of me can't shake the feeling that with the way Viv changed the entirety of Ghostfuckers after the leaks that she too will change some parts of the Rosie=Lilith plot point after it got leaked, afterall she still has time before any of that enters the picture and given with how modern writers are obsessed with subverting expectations, they will go the route of adding more retarded twists like Rosie being an actual person that's under Lilith's control or even just making the whole thing into a red herring.

Irony here: the Ghostfuckers and even ending of S2 stuff wasnt even leaked, Viv herself presented the stuff at a convention where people were allowed to film it and show it.

 

[Activelo]

Irony here: the Ghostfuckers and even ending of S2 stuff wasnt even leaked, Viv herself presented the stuff at a convention where people were allowed to film it and show it.

Unless I'm missing something here, no she didn't. A storyboarder had them on her portfolio site, but someone discovered that you just had to change the url to access them and leaked it on 4chan.

 

[The tired cat]

Unless I'm missing something here, no she didn't. A storyboarder had them on her portfolio site, but someone discovered that you just had to change the url to access them and leaked it on 4chan.

There was a convention I think at Vegas or something, where I recall the animatic from Ghostfuckers was def shown to the public, with the VAs even voicing the clip on stage. I do recall seeing few clips pop up on youtube and Twitter.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Yes, but it does not go in deep as to how Rosie can even grant Alastor the ability to be the strongest sinner which already clues you in that she's not your typical overlord if she has that kind of power.

I may have to watch the video again, but I think Rosie's voice is different in the beginning when Alastor first summons her on Earth. Maybe it's just for effect, but it definitely changes after she hears Alastor speak.

 

[Mad Hunter]

Faustisse's exact words regarding Rosie is that she "never died", as said on their stream at 3:33:45 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200219104759/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15UYpcWJ_Q). Perhaps, there's a subspecies of Sinners who came to Hell and became demons without having to pass away on Earth. Oddly, the HB tweet stating the "Sinners can only be in Pride" lore needed to specify that the Sinner needed to be dead.
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Granite, the only other Sinner we know of that came to Hell without dying is...

...is...

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... shit.

I fear the day Lilith makes a move in the show. Lilith has become quite a feminist icon and considering how the show went, well...

All I know is that I don't remember if Lilith was mentioned in the Bible.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

I fear the day Lilith makes a move in the show. Lilith has become quite a feminist icon and considering how the show went, well...

All I know is that I don't remember if Lilith was mentioned in the Bible.

I think Lilith is only a Jewish thing? All I remember is that she rapes men (including Adam), and makes women have miscarriages. Don’t quote me on that, though.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Faustisse's exact words regarding Rosie is that she "never died", as said on their stream at 3:33:45 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200219104759/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15UYpcWJ_Q). Perhaps, there's a subspecies of Sinners who came to Hell and became demons without having to pass away on Earth. Oddly, the HB tweet stating the "Sinners can only be in Pride" lore needed to specify that the Sinner needed to be dead.
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Granite, the only other Sinner we know of that came to Hell without dying is...

...is...

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... shit.

So she's a reverse Enoch and Elijah? Interesting.

I may have to watch the video again, but I think Rosie's voice is different in the beginning when Alastor first summons her on Earth. Maybe it's just for effect, but it definitely changes after she hears Alastor speak.

This mystery with Rosie, I am starting to feel, will lead to a huge nothingburger. First it was Rosie = Lilith, Lilith = Eve. But what if she gives up and says that Lilith = Eve and Rosie is a dumb cunt and is just who she is?

I fear the day Lilith makes a move in the show. Lilith has become quite a feminist icon and considering how the show went, well...

All I know is that I don't remember if Lilith was mentioned in the Bible.

I think Lilith is only a Jewish thing? All I remember is that she rapes men (including Adam), and makes women have miscarriages. Don’t quote me on that, though.

Lucifer and Lilith are mentioned in Isaiah 14 and 34, respectively. But according to some, "Lucifer" means a leader of Babylon, spoken 100 or so years early, and a model of Mystery Babylon (the future), while Lilith could have meant the "grove of worshipping statues made of owls", but was mistranslated where it should have said "grove" instead of Lilith.
Lucifer/Eosphoros/Haylel means "Lightbringer", because the leaders of antiquity saw themselves as the bringers of light (think of it as intellect, philosophy, laws, science, what have you), and basically an "avatar of god on Earth", and the Hebrew God is mocking whoever thinks these idols is above Him, as He (and by extension, Jesus Christ as His Right Hand/through actions) are the through light bringers into the world. So much that Revelation 22, the last book of the Bible, Jesus Christ calls himself as the "morning star".

And you are right, @Mad Hunter , I don't feel an equality in Lucifer and Lilith - they remind me of Crash and Tawna from the Crash Bandicoot games. One is more animalistic and perhaps more "crazy" looking, while Tawna is more humanoid, realistic and sexy. Would be hilarious if she were just as foolish as he (Lucifer) was, tho.

 

[GoodWinSon]

I recall reading that Charlie and Vaggie only became a romantic pairing post-pilot due to Viv's propensity to canoniz fan ships. Is that entirely true? Their interactions in the pilot came off as off as lesbian bait more often then not.

Seems like the whole thing came around during the pilots production and not after.