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But what I said is true. The email is a good way to identify useless workers, and replying to it that he's not your boss is a dumb thing to do.
I do agree with your dragnet take for issues like non-existent employees, but let's not kid ourselves, they want to cut down for cutting down's sake - they will use not answering against you all the same as they will use answers they decide to not like for some almost made up reasons. Just like cops do.
Some naive and diligent joe shmoe will write down something that's not technically part his job and they will fire his ass for overstepping and shit like that.
 
your comment shows that you have zero real-world experience.
I obviously have more real-world experience than you. This thread proves it.

they will use not answering against you all the same as they will use answers they decide to not like against you.
Maybe. But you can avoid one of those outcomes. Why would you paint a target on your back by saying something ridiculous like, "you're not my boss"

It's like I said above: if Joe is your boss, and Sam is Joe's boss, and Sam hires Bob to make cuts ...why would you reply to an email from Bob by saying, "you're not my boss"
 
Maybe. But you can avoid one of those outcomes. Why would you paint a target on your back by saying something ridiculous like, "you're not my boss"
Again, it's not as ridiculous as you think in these rigid, state side gigs. Think army and the importance of command chain - that's how they roll there.
In some <50 people start up fish tank, you are right, but not here.
 
- explained the obvious purpose of the email: to identify federal workers who are so useless that this simple task is a burden for them.
- pointed out the ridiculousness of refusing to list one's accomplishments by screaming, "he's not my boss"
- triggered Hollywood Hulk Hogan
- triggered YHWH's Strongest Soldier
- triggered きたい
you can't even follow simple instructions, I said PM
 
The government is organized according to a hierarchy.
And that includes things like cabinet positions, departments, and other things authorized by Congress. And Elon Musk is completely not in that hierarchy. He's in some unelected thing called a "Department" but with no actual legal authority or statutory basis for its existence.

If the guy with actual legal authority to fire me tells me to ignore something from some random guy nowhere in my chain of command, I'm going to obey my actual boss.

I'm not going to tard out and fire off an angry response. Because I was told to ignore it.
Honestly Elon is a cocksucker, but he does have business sense.
What he did with Twitter says kind of the opposite. He can't even apparently understand basic concepts like branding.
 
Think army and the importance of command chain - that's how they roll there.
When I was a 1LT in the Army, I had a job as company XO. My chain of command was company CO, then battalion CO, then brigade CO, etc.

I got emails all the time from the brigade adjutant ...who works for my boss' boss, but is *not* "in my chain of command." It was perfectly acceptable for him to email me, and I was expected to give him the information he requested.

So yes, my comments in this thread are exactly like how the army works.
 
It was perfectly acceptable for him to email me, and I was expected to give him the information he requested.
That's the key here.
And that includes things like cabinet positions, departments, and other things authorized by Congress. And Elon Musk is completely not in that hierarchy. He's in some unelected thing called a "Department" but with no actual legal authority or statutory basis for its existence.
This is putting it succinctly. It not clear where musk's doge even sits.
So yes, my comments in this thread are exactly like how the army works.
That's not what they told me. As a general rule, your CO bears the responsibility for what your are ordered to do, the guy directly above - legally, higher ranks CAN override his orders, but it's not clear at all that musk has this power and things are not looking that way. Basically, if your CO tells you to not answer, he's the one to blame, not you for following his orders. It's not like you are breaking the geneva convention here.
It's more like two brigade generals shouting contradictory orders at you at once. What are they supposed to do, call commander in chief trump himself when in doubt? They fudged the ball on vertically integrating doge into the legal framework from the get go, as a grunt, sitting tight is the best course of action. You MIGHT win favors and later rewards by buttering up musk's stooges, but it might also back fire.

Edit: And since they are out to for blood, to fire as many people as possible, there is no good faith on the other end of the desk when you play their games. You'd have to be really good at playing the confidence game, and playing it in the first place is a high risk move as of now.
 
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explained the obvious purpose of the email: to identify federal workers who are so useless that this simple task is a burden for them
But what if they aren't answering not because it's a burden, but because they don't know if they should? I'd genuinely hope that, if someone in the government receives a third party email asking them to list what they did in the previous week, they wouldn't respond.

The other issue is you're using the "Bobs" assumption. In Office Space, the department willingly brought in the Bobs to fire their employees. They were working together. DOGE isn't working alongside the departments, hence the confusion and issues where you have two sides saying different things. Your boss is telling you "don't respond" while a third party is saying "respond"

And there's still the fear issue. What if you have people who are obviously aware of what DOGE is up to who lie about what they did in the previous week, knowing that DOGE is too unqualified to call their bluff? If we're trying to weed out poor employees, do we really want to fire those who are cautious/listen to management, but keep around potentially lazy and dishonest employees?

It's a shotgun approach to something that should require a scalpel. First, you figure out what managers are worth their salt, then you work your way down the line. If a manager isn't doing their job, you need to figure out what to do with them. If the manager is doing their job, get a list of employees under them who can potentially be cut and weed out those applicants. Right now, the current approach is meaningless because you could be hitting vital employees with otherwise perfect records who are simply concerned about an outside party asking about their job. And depending on what they do in the government, this might be a very reasonable response. You could also be missing some obvious red flags who are savvy enough to lie and bloat their accomplishments simply because they want to keep collecting a paycheck.

Comically enough, I'd also say this approach does the exact opposite for DOGE and it makes it seem like they're the lazy employees who don't really know what they're doing because of their amateur "Gotcha" attempt. Again, using the Bobs as an example, imagine if instead of meeting with employees to take notes on their performances, they just sent an email asking the employees if they should be fired or not, then brought that back to the department heads that hired them in the first place. The reason that one middle manager dude was ultimately fired, even though he kept saying he was important and vital for customer service or whatever, is precisely because during the interview they could call him out and identify that his role was redundant. Which is precisely why they put him on the chopping block. We're given the impression he was genuinely doing *something*, but the issue was the something didn't matter. Which is what you want to cut, employees that serve non-vital tasks. Not employees who don't answer a phishing-tier level email from an unaffiliated third party.

Or to put it in outdated meme terms that Elon Musk would use, it's like sending a picture to all employees asking if the dress is gold or blue, and firing everyone who says blue.
 
The notion that there are tens of thousands of ghost employees
Nobody said there are tens of thousands of ghost employees.

Serious question: are you conscious of the fact that you hallucinate a statement like that, and then use it as the basis for disagreeing? Do you wonder how many other things you probably believe, that actually you just hallucinated?

It's a real problem. I doubt I'm going to get a meaningful answer from you, but it's amazing you did that. You watched a video, and came away believing something that wasn't said by anyone in the video or in the thread.
 
Basically, what I'm saying was:
If you are lucky and were ordered to not reply, you just do that - it's their fault. If your superiors left you hanging on that, you can still point to those departments which gave such orders when not complying on your own.
That's my game theory on it so far.
 
In Office Space, the department willingly brought in the Bobs to fire their employees.
No, the department didn't do that. The company did it.

In this case, the company is the federal government.

a third party email
Let's not pretend that they got an email from elon69@aol.com that said, "please click here and log in with your government SSN and password" (which, hilariously, is how the DNC emails were leaked in 2016 - it was a phishing email to podesta)

No, they all know exactly what DOGE is, and they all got an email from a .gov address.

Also, let's not pretend that they were asked to forward the blueprints for the top secret UFO engine they're working on. If you are working on a UFO engine, then all you have to say is, "worked on a number of projects in my department, met with stakeholders to review requirements documents, met with my workgroup and reviewed open tickets"

This is not hard. You guys in this thread are bending over backwards to make it seem so odd and unusual and difficult. I'm giving sensible straightforward answers.

- you know where the email came from. You know what DOGE is. It's in the news.
- you can provide a general, non-classified list of things you worked on.
- being obtuse about this just paints a target on your back.

This is all very reasonable. The objections I'm hearing are ridiculous.

you think billionaires have your best interest in mind.
No I don't. You just made that up inside your own head. Like others here, you hallucinate straw men. You aren't being rational.
 
Nobody said there are tens of thousands of ghost employees.

Serious question: are you conscious of the fact that you hallucinate a statement like that, and then use it as the basis for disagreeing? Do you wonder how many other things you probably believe, that actually you just hallucinated?

It's a real problem. I doubt I'm going to get a meaningful answer from you, but it's amazing you did that. You watched a video, and came away believing something that wasn't said by anyone in the video or in the thread.
It seems super, super obvious to me that the main goal is to catch people in the following categories:
(1) they don't exist. There are almost certainly paychecks going out to people who died in 1980.
(2) they don't bother to check their email. Yes, there are definitely people that worthless in government positions
(3) they refuse to comply with simple requests. If they wont fire of such a simple email, then they're likely not valued team members doing important work.
I'll be fair and point out you never listed a number of ghost employees, but literally the first thing on your counterpoint list to my original post was catching ghost employees.
 
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