StoneToss (allegedly, formerly Red Panels)

[obsdj]

I don't even get it (for real), but hey there's this.

 

[xX_rAcE_wAr_420_Xx]

I don't even get it (for real), but hey there's this.
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Yeah I actually don't get it, either. Is he saying that Half Life 2 was woke and sucked, or that people shouldn't complain about random darkies in video games?

Also the blasian in the game was CUTE, not a morbidly obese nonbinary amputee in a wheelchair. """Woke""" video games lost the plot when they stopped making characters people wanted to bone - just look at Concord vs. Baldur's Gate 3, the number of chicks playing the latter who are horny for Astarion should tell you everything you need to know about priorities.

 

[Whatevermancer]

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New 'toss. Probably one of the weakest ones in a good while

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Terminator 2 was released today, it'd be called woke.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

Yeah I actually don't get it, either. Is he saying that Half Life 2 was woke and sucked, or that people shouldn't complain about random darkies in video games?

Also the blasian in the game was CUTE, not a morbidly obese nonbinary amputee in a wheelchair. """Woke""" video games lost the plot when they stopped making characters people wanted to bone - just look at Concord vs. Baldur's Gate 3, the number of chicks playing the latter who are horny for Astarion should tell you everything you need to know about priorities.

I think the point he is trying to make is that there has been a lot of subversive identity/culture stuff in media for years that people didn't notice or didn't even really understand. A lot of people also defend a lot of woke work that came out before the last ten years for that very reason: it didn't come out in the last ten years during the whole culture war period on the internet. It was made in the "good times" so therefore it can't be bad. People view it through a nostalgia filter and don't realize how that stuff also ties into the stuff we have now.

It reminds me of how a lot of older people, especially conservative ones, worship Archie Bunker and "All in the Family" when that show was directly a vehicle to rally against conservative norms. Norman Lear is among the most subversive and evil leftist propagandists to ever exist in television. And yet more normie conservatives refuse to criticize his work for a variety of reasons.

 

[The Last Stand]

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I'm guessing the punchline is that the gay person said a dumb political take and the MAGA guy doesn't agree with the take but supports the principle of being able to say whatever dumb thing you want in America?

Yeah I actually don't get it, either. Is he saying that Half Life 2 was woke and sucked, or that people shouldn't complain about random darkies in video games?

That's what I got from that comic.

I think the point he is trying to make is that there has been a lot of subversive identity/culture stuff in media for years that people didn't notice or didn't even really understand. A lot of people also defend a lot of woke work that came out before the last ten years for that very reason: it didn't come out in the last ten years during the whole culture war period on the internet. It was made in the "good times" so therefore it can't be bad. People view it through a nostalgia filter and don't realize how that stuff also ties into the stuff we have now.

Which is a horrible point to make. The buzzword or agenda of "woke" did not even exist when Half Life 2 released. I call it a buzzword because some people are now conditioned to believing that any minority presence in media is "woke," even if it didn't exist at the time of the original release or time period.

Nobody complained about Alyx Vance, the Black, female scientist, in Half Life 2 because the writing and gameplay were top-notch for the overall experience. If Half-Life 2 had political undertones with its world-building (I'm sure it did), it was never in-your-face and blunt to FORCE a way of thinking onto its playerbase.

 

[Rudy Coleman]

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tbh this never bothered me because half life 2 is so fucking boring i couldn't be bothered to care about anything

 

[xX_rAcE_wAr_420_Xx]

Nobody complained about Alyx Vance, the Black, female scientist, in Half Life 2 because the writing and gameplay were top-notch for the overall experience. If Half-Life 2 had political undertones with its world-building (I'm sure it did), it was never in-your-face and blunt to FORCE a way of thinking onto its playerbase.

You know, thinking about it, if it were released today I wonder if they would accuse Valve of "blackwashing" the game. Like it's not authentic representation unless she's using a watermelon reactor to power a gun, and complaining about how the bad guy is an evil white man.

I think the point he is trying to make is that there has been a lot of subversive identity/culture stuff in media for years that people didn't notice or didn't even really understand. A lot of people also defend a lot of woke work that came out before the last ten years for that very reason: it didn't come out in the last ten years during the whole culture war period on the internet.

And, at the same time, it's also this? It reminds me of the tallies of how many mixed-race couples you see in advertising, and how many of them are black-male-white-female, that kind of thing. Like somehow we're at a point where if you were to take a game today written with a generic all white cast and no reference to race, and you just swap a few of them with random darkies, you'd have people saying both that it's not proper representation and ALSO that's its a psyop to replace the white race.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

Which is a horrible point to make. The buzzword or agenda of "woke" did not even exist when Half Life 2 released. I call it a buzzword because some people are now conditioned to believing that any minority presence in media is "woke," even if it didn't exist at the time of the original release or time period.

Nobody complained about Alyx Vance, the Black, female scientist, in Half Life 2 because the writing and gameplay were top-notch for the overall experience. If Half-Life 2 had political undertones with its world-building (I'm sure it did), it was never in-your-face and blunt to FORCE a way of thinking onto its playerbase.

Woke didn't just get started ten years ago. It only began getting noticed ten years ago. It was a slow, decades long buildup that got us into the ideology we are seeing today. As I brought up earlier, television has always been a vehicle for a left-wing agenda. While you are right that woke has become a buzzword, it has became a buzzword for the opposite reason you described: certain idiots are using it as dumb label without actually understanding what it means. It is why you have retarded conservatives who say how evil woke is all the time and then turn around to say other stupid slogans like "Democrats are the real racists!" without a hint of awareness.

That is one of the points Stonetoss is trying to convey in this comic: this ideology didn't get started recently, it has been around for awhile and a lot of the "good" media people like to bring up was stealth woke without people realizing it.

It isn't wrong to look back on older media, even stuff you like, and realize that there were ulterior motives for it existing. Just because it wasn't being shoved in your face or created during the last ten years doesn't mean there wasn't "wokeness" so to speak involved. Alyx Vance is also a great example because there literally is no reason for her to be biracial aside from the person who created her already had some of the mind virus inside him. No normal person would ever create a biracial character without intent behind it. Praise for her even two decades ago from the gaming media was completely centered around her "beauty" and how different she is from your normal male lead.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Even a romanian rodent weighed in.

A rare Vee W.

 

[The Last Stand]

Alyx Vance is also a great example because there literally is no reason for her to be biracial aside from the person who created her already had some of the mind virus inside him. No normal person would ever create a biracial character without intent behind it. Praise for her even two decades ago from the gaming media was completely centered around her "beauty" and how different she is from your normal male lead.

What is your point with Alyx? She's biracial because somebody wanted to push a mixed race couple agenda? Maybe the writers wanted Alyx to stand out, maybe they wanted her to be different for the sake of basic diversity? You and Stonetoss use Half Life 2 as some example of malicious intent of how diversity is handled in video games.

That is one of the points Stonetoss is trying to convey in this comic: this ideology didn't get started recently, it has been around for awhile and a lot of the "good" media people like to bring up was stealth woke without people realizing it.

What's next, is Metroid or Tomb Raider an example of "stealth woke" because you play as adventurous, female heroines?

 

[Bruce LaLiLuLeLo]

Alyx Vance is also a great example because there literally is no reason for her to be biracial aside from the person who created her already had some of the mind virus inside him.

Do you have evidence for this? I would like to see it. Generally ulterior motives get revealed pretty openly, a good example being every person who has affirmed the existence of Yasuke being tied to the Japanese communist party or some other communist organization overseas. There are a tiny fraction of cases where there are no ulterior motives even if there seems to be some, scar in the lion king is supposed to be gay cause andreas deja was gay but it never was because he was taking pozloads up the asshole and wanted to proselytise about the positives of pederasty, it was just scar was gay cause it seemed to fit the character. Especially given this was one of the few instances where valve did something like this, it's probably just cause they wanted to do it, not ulterior motives. Not every case of pushing miscegenating black gay trannies throughout history is cause of communist talmudic Jews especially when there's no evidence for it.

 

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Alyx Vance is also a great example because there literally is no reason for her to be biracial aside from the person who created her already had some of the mind virus inside him. No normal person would ever create a biracial character without intent behind it.

Um, that's a pretty WOKE opinion my dude. Actually, Half Life was woke because for no reason at all, in a completely unrealistic way, it had strong representation of blacks as high energy physicists. Totally cringe even if they were at least all male.

 

[Berrakh]

Ah I see there’s a debate.

Yeah woke isn’t new. It’s more in your face but having a black particle physicist and a blasian gf are neither reasonable nor coincidental things.

But I understand the trepidation people have. The record of letting anons apply modern political buzzwords to older properties is… not good. And it’s always brazenly coarse and vulgar as well so you can’t even pretend it’s not annoying. Character suffers unrequited love? Cuck! Girl fantasizes about marrying a Prince Charming? Hypergamy! Pussy Inflation! But the common thread is these are all reductive, pettily status-mongering and uninsightful toward whatever sincere narrative motives produced these things. The tokenism above, on the other hand, explains a lot about the late 90s-early 2000s liberalism that produced it.

 

[geckogoy]

But I LIKED the thin end of the wedge! - you guys

 

[God of Nothing]

It isn't wrong to look back on older media, even stuff you like, and realize that there were ulterior motives for it existing. Just because it wasn't being shoved in your face or created during the last ten years doesn't mean there wasn't "wokeness" so to speak involved. Alyx Vance is also a great example because there literally is no reason for her to be biracial aside from the person who created her already had some of the mind virus inside him. No normal person would ever create a biracial character without intent behind it. Praise for her even two decades ago from the gaming media was completely centered around her "beauty" and how different she is from your normal male lead.

You're not wrong. The best people can give you is that it's just tokenism, which is still wokeshit at the end of the day. It's more believable than inserting a nigger into medieval bohemia, but it's still very unlikely.

It's not woke if you liked it really isn't a great argument. I can see how it can be we're reading too much into it, but that's how good propaganda works: benefit of the doubt. How else did the "If you kill them, you'll be just like them," bullshit message get so out of hand?

And are you guys really surprised politically-charged fucking Stonetoss of all people made a comic like this?

 

[Whatevermancer]

You're not wrong. The best people can give you is that it's just tokenism, which is still wokeshit at the end of the day. It's more believable than inserting a nigger into medieval bohemia, but it's still very unlikely.

It's not woke if you liked it really isn't a great argument. I can see how it can be we're reading too much into it, but that's how good propaganda works: benefit of the doubt. How else did the "If you kill them, you'll be just like them," bullshit message get so out of hand?

And are you guys really surprised politically-charged fucking Stonetoss of all people made a comic like this?

What even is woke?

 

[God of Nothing]

What even is woke?

Subversive propaganda: the effort in which to convince you commonly held beliefs and even reality itself are actually the opposite. (Men can be women, vice versa; black people are actually super oppressed and le heckin wholesome doctors forced to commit crimes because racist police, there were totally a ton of black people in europe several hundred years ago because this one black slave was here or there, the average woman can totally beat up all these military trained men, ect.)

there you go

 

[Whatevermancer]

Subversive propaganda: the effort in which to convince you commonly held beliefs and even reality itself are actually the opposite. (Men can be women, vice versa; black people are actually super oppressed and le heckin wholesome doctors forced to commit crimes because racist police, there were totally a ton of black people in europe several hundred years ago because this one black slave was here or there, the average woman can totally beat up all these military trained men, ect.)

there you go

So Half-life 2 is subversive propaganda? Is Terminator 2 also subversive propaganda?

 

[God of Nothing]

So Half-life 2 is subversive propaganda? Is Terminator 2 also subversive propaganda?

i see what you're doing and i'll just leave it up to you to decide for yourself

 

[The Last Stand]

i see what you're doing and i'll just leave it up to you to decide for yourself

Answer the question, please.

No normal person would ever create a biracial character without intent behind it. Praise for her even two decades ago from the gaming media was completely centered around her "beauty" and how different she is from your normal male lead.

Curious, how would you had written Half-Life's characters?