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She released a follow up video and gets real sassy about half way through which made my heart skip and my dick twitch. While she only goes through her YT comments, it would've been nice if she'd seen the book thread on /snow/ specifically complaining she's a 'pick me' appealing to 'moids' who 'don't read for fun' and 'can't visualise while reading'.

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They haven't posted this new vid yet but I'm sure their responses will continue to be enlightening.

There was this comment on her video that pertains to what a few posters in this thread have said:

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And someone agreed with me about The Dog Walker:

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He isn't wrong.

Ruocchio is the total package as an author. Writes damn good books, critical darling, die hard fans, sales improve with every release, no personal issues, turns in new books on time... and he's barely over 30!

Getting him was a MASSIVE coup for Baen, which definitely needed young talent... and Disquiet Gods was a massive sales success too!

And they sell him back to DAW less than a year later?

I'm sure there are some details of the sale not made public, but unless Baen got paid low seven figures, they lost more money in future than they ever got selling him back to DAW. Which might mean they needed cash flow.

Even if Baen's fine, a rival start up with deep pockets just poached two of thier remaining editors, and the next series from thier most commercially successful author.

That's a humiliation no matter how they spin it at best, and at worst, a knife in the back when they can least afford it.

I'm mostly shocked JDA scooped this. This is the kind of story I would usually expect broken by one of the outlets carrying water for SFWA.
Thank you for this post. I got The Way of Kings (Brandon Sanderson) as a gift from a friend and I was unimpressed - the bok was very 2010 and overall aggressively mid.

I read this post and on a whim tried the first book of the Sun Eater (Empire of Silence) and was thoroughly impressed - the book is just better all around even in worldbuilding, which I'm told is Brandon Sanderson's forte. Judging from the number of Sun Eater books, I can't imagine I'm the only one.

I'm halfway through Howling Dark (second Sun Eater book) already.
 
Thank you for this post. I got The Way of Kings (Brandon Sanderson) as a gift from a friend and I was unimpressed - the bok was very 2010 and overall aggressively mid.

I read this post and on a whim tried the first book of the Sun Eater (Empire of Silence) and was thoroughly impressed - the book is just better all around even in worldbuilding, which I'm told is Brandon Sanderson's forte. Judging from the number of Sun Eater books, I can't imagine I'm the only one.

I'm halfway through Howling Dark (second Sun Eater book) already.
Sanderson's world building has always struck as just being weird for being weird. I'm not brought into it at all, and I don't want to learn more. Roshar is just like "wow storms are bad and everything is a crab."

Sun Eater I'm legitimately interested in the universe. I haven't been disappointed at all with the big reveals in the series, and I do hope he continues with stories in that universe. Also Howling Dark is excellent.
 
Sanderson's world building has always struck as just being weird for being weird. I'm not brought into it at all, and I don't want to learn more. Roshar is just like "wow storms are bad and everything is a crab."

Sun Eater I'm legitimately interested in the universe. I haven't been disappointed at all with the big reveals in the series, and I do hope he continues with stories in that universe. Also Howling Dark is excellent.
I do not like it. The magic system is just a bunch of things that I am told rather than shown. The spren are a narrative cheat code that allow him to tell you exactly what's going on at any particular time - rotspren for rotting corpses, painspren for wounds and so on - leaving no room for interpretation. Most of The Way of Kings seems to be ripped out of the headlines or the history books - the Alethi spending 6 years fighting the Parshendi without understanding anything about them roughly equals the Iraq war (TWoK published in 2010, Iraq 2 started in 2003). Every time the crying assassin and his Lashing bullshit shows up I wish for it to be over. Shallan is the incarnation Reddit going to study under the atheist kween Jasnah, enough said. It feels painfully dated.

That and none of the characters I felt any attachment to because the shifting perspectives didn't let me get to know them.

Meanwhile in the Sun Eater sure the Mericanii are totally America (probably) and the Nipponese are from Japan, but they are linguistic artifacts. Everyone actually acts (and speaks) in the manner of nobility or whoever they are and the narration actually explains its actions, which again makes sense because Hadrian is writing about his experience. It just works.

Agreed, I'm only halfway through, and Howling Dark is really good.
 
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I do not like it. The magic system is just a bunch of things that I am told rather than shown. The spren are a narrative cheat code that allow him to tell you exactly what's going on at any particular time - rotspren for rotting corpses, painspren for wounds and so on - leaving no room for interpretation. Most of The Way of Kings seems to be ripped out of the headlines or the history books - the Alethi spending 6 years fighting the Parshendi without understanding anything about them roughly equals the Iraq war (TWoK published in 2010, Iraq 2 started in 2003). Every time the crying assassin and his Lashing bullshit shows up I wish for it to be over. Shallan is the incarnation Reddit going to study under the atheist kween Jasnah, enough said. It feels painfully dated.
Sanderson watches a lot of anime, and plays a lot of videogames, and his magic systems reflect that. I agree about the spren and he has a tendency to use them as vectors for his humour, which is reddit tier at best.

Sanderson is the Nickelback of authors. He knows he puts out slop based on what he thinks the audience wants. I don't fault him for it, he's sold a lot of books. Some of which I have enjoyed. But it's still just popcorn.
 

She released a follow up video and gets real sassy about half way through which made my heart skip and my dick twitch. While she only goes through her YT comments, it would've been nice if she'd seen the book thread on /snow/ specifically complaining she's a 'pick me' appealing to 'moids' who 'don't read for fun' and 'can't visualise while reading'.

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They haven't posted this new vid yet but I'm sure their responses will continue to be enlightening.

There was this comment on her video that pertains to what a few posters in this thread have said:

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And someone agreed with me about The Dog Walker:

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She claims that Larry Correia doesn't like her, though I couldn't find anything after a quick perusal of her Twitter. Regardless, anyone who manages to piss off Correia without being a progressive is someone I plan to pay attention to.

I wonder if she has an ass as nice as her tits.
 
Thank you for this post. I got The Way of Kings (Brandon Sanderson) as a gift from a friend and I was unimpressed - the bok was very 2010 and overall aggressively mid.

I read this post and on a whim tried the first book of the Sun Eater (Empire of Silence) and was thoroughly impressed - the book is just better all around even in worldbuilding, which I'm told is Brandon Sanderson's forte. Judging from the number of Sun Eater books, I can't imagine I'm the only one.

I'm halfway through Howling Dark (second Sun Eater book) already.
Yeah Ruocchio is 100% the real deal. He's great on every level.
 
I do not like it. The magic system
I enjoy some of Sanderson's stuff, but he really suffers from the mentality that everything must be explained, and everything must be a comprehensive system. I know he really preaches on that, that magic must make sense and feel like a cohesive system of thought, but the problem with that, is it no longer feels like 'magic.' There isn't a sense of mystery at all, and it basically becomes science with a different name. This can be fine when properly done, but Sanderson (and his fans and acolytes) take it to an extreme. For example, the assassin from WoK is much more interesting before you understand about lashing and how the magic system works, because he has clearly defined powers with limits, but how it works and why isn't understood, so there is an element of mystery to it. Once this is explained he suddenly becomes much less interesting.

Also I am just not a fan of the modern take on "worldbuilding" period, where everything must have a history and some story or background to it. People always want to talk about how cool the lore of a world is, and how deep it is, and Lord of the Rings is always cited as deep lore. But, even if you take all the books Tolkien wrote, and the supplemental material, it is still shorter in page and word length than just the first 4 books of Way of Kings series. Tolkien wrote a story by focusing on the story first, and the worldbuilding happens in the background, and it feels believable because there aren't lengthy sections describing the history of whatever, it is shown through character actions and conversations, or if it is told, it is done briefly, almost as an aside, rather than a key feature of the books.
 
I enjoy some of Sanderson's stuff, but he really suffers from the mentality that everything must be explained, and everything must be a comprehensive system. I know he really preaches on that, that magic must make sense and feel like a cohesive system of thought, but the problem with that, is it no longer feels like 'magic.' There isn't a sense of mystery at all, and it basically becomes science with a different name. This can be fine when properly done, but Sanderson (and his fans and acolytes) take it to an extreme. For example, the assassin from WoK is much more interesting before you understand about lashing and how the magic system works, because he has clearly defined powers with limits, but how it works and why isn't understood, so there is an element of mystery to it. Once this is explained he suddenly becomes much less interesting.

Also I am just not a fan of the modern take on "worldbuilding" period, where everything must have a history and some story or background to it. People always want to talk about how cool the lore of a world is, and how deep it is, and Lord of the Rings is always cited as deep lore. But, even if you take all the books Tolkien wrote, and the supplemental material, it is still shorter in page and word length than just the first 4 books of Way of Kings series. Tolkien wrote a story by focusing on the story first, and the worldbuilding happens in the background, and it feels believable because there aren't lengthy sections describing the history of whatever, it is shown through character actions and conversations, or if it is told, it is done briefly, almost as an aside, rather than a key feature of the books.
If you watch his lectures on writing, he's quite aware of this. With enough detail, magic just becomes another set of rules. Like the rules of a game or mechanics of a device. The advantage of this is that, it's harder for the author to write unsatisfying ass-pulls. When a character achieves something, they do it by being smart, with a clever application of rules.

The downside is, as you said the "magic" is lost.
Sanderson, as someone who writes action fantasy does heavily lean on the first part.
 
@Commissar Fuklaw (not being allowed to quote)

love seeing normal people slowly realize that the schizophrenics who rant about piracy and ownership and software as a service were absolutely and totally 100% correct about everything. TLDR Amazon is taking away Kindle users ability to backup their "purchased" books.

I'm actually confused about this. One of the oldest, probably the oldest piece of functioning tech I have is a Kindle Touch from 2010 or 2011. One of the first ones without a physical keyboard. The only way to read on it is via ... downloaded files. Files that can be easily accessed by plugging an old school USB-Micro into one end and the other end into my PC. There's not even an attempt at hidden directories or even obscure file names. The files can and often do have DRM on them but they're there in MOBI format and I can copy them to my PC.

If they aren't killing my Kindle Touch and similar products -- and I've heard nothing about anything like that -- I'm honestly not sure what this accomplishes, exactly.

I'm not saying this isn't an issue generally, of course, just that I'm kind of wondering if this particular instance is more about Amazon hate than anything elese.
 
Yeah Ruocchio is 100% the real deal. He's great on every level.
Agreed. I'm hunting down the books as we speak (live in the Philippines so it's harder to get this stuff). Might request it special from a bookstore.
For example, the assassin from WoK is much more interesting before you understand about lashing and how the magic system works, because he has clearly defined powers with limits, but how it works and why isn't understood, so there is an element of mystery to it. Once this is explained he suddenly becomes much less interesting.
Yep. While the important parts were clearly explained (pull him to places, pull things together, push things apart), the actual reason for it was not, and that was fun. The crying assassin schtick was also pretty fun for me, especially since in WoK he came in small doses. I enjoy anime bullshit too, so having a little bit of it at the start was a great appetizer.
Tolkien wrote a story by focusing on the story first, and the worldbuilding happens in the background, and it feels believable because there aren't lengthy sections describing the history of whatever, it is shown through character actions and conversations, or if it is told, it is done briefly, almost as an aside, rather than a key feature of the books.
Yeah it's not a D&D sourcebook/worldbook or whatever, it's a novel. I don't care if you didn't do any worldbuilding and just made it up as you went along as long as it's fun.
 
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I think you meant to quote me. Also you can reply to specific sections of any post no matter how long it is, if you just highlight them with your mouse and click the reply box that pops up next to the highlighted text.

I don't use kindle software or hardware, so I wouldn't know specifics about ancient devices like the ones you own, maybe the only way you can use them is by downloading local files, maybe they'll change it when they change the rest of the system. Personally I doubt they will, if the process ends up being a pain, because the philosophy behind taking away backup functionality is the same one that lends itself to just handwaving all the old hardware that might be able to easily bypass it. Essentially, they're banking on people just buying new devices, and just continuing to buy subscriptions, without ever actually owning books. If your stuff works out for you in the end, then great. Good for you, and fuck Amazon and all the other people who choose to get fucked by it.
 
I think you meant to quote me. Also you can reply to specific sections of any post no matter how long it is, if you just highlight them with your mouse and click the reply box that pops up next to the highlighted text.

I don't use kindle software or hardware, so I wouldn't know specifics about ancient devices like the ones you own, maybe the only way you can use them is by downloading local files, maybe they'll change it when they change the rest of the system. Personally I doubt they will, if the process ends up being a pain, because the philosophy behind taking away backup functionality is the same one that lends itself to just handwaving all the old hardware that might be able to easily bypass it. Essentially, they're banking on people just buying new devices, and just continuing to buy subscriptions, without ever actually owning books. If your stuff works out for you in the end, then great. Good for you, and fuck Amazon and all the other people who choose to get fucked by it.
Sorry about the misquote. I was posting from work, bad employee that I am and was as usual a tad distracted.

This is what I see in File Explorer. Doesn't get much easier than this...🤷‍♂️
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Interesting that library books come through as "AZW3" and not "MOBI." Never noticed that before. I'm guessing that means some kind of DRM as well as a built in self-destruct/return date, but I can at least see the files quite easily. And just as easily copy them and (presumably) do something nefarious to the copy with the right tools.

And either I'm secretly a Romance reader with a bias toward HEA endings or I live with a gal who has truly atrocious taste in literature and a tendency to shanghai my Kindle from time to time. I'll let the observer decide. I knew she did this, just didn't realize how much she does it. 😐

I should probably send a few shekels to Zlibrary given how much crap I pirate there, but, meh. Maybe someday.
 
I read this post and on a whim tried the first book of the Sun Eater (Empire of Silence) and was thoroughly impressed - the book is just better all around even in worldbuilding, which I'm told is Brandon Sanderson's forte. Judging from the number of Sun Eater books, I can't imagine I'm the only one.

I'm halfway through Howling Dark (second Sun Eater book) already.

Sun Eater I'm legitimately interested in the universe. I haven't been disappointed at all with the big reveals in the series, and I do hope he continues with stories in that universe. Also Howling Dark is excellent.

Meanwhile in the Sun Eater sure the Mericanii are totally America (probably) and the Nipponese are from Japan, but they are linguistic artifacts. Everyone actually acts (and speaks) in the manner of nobility or whoever they are and the narration actually explains its actions, which again makes sense because Hadrian is writing about his experience. It just works.

Agreed, I'm only halfway through, and Howling Dark is really good.

Based on this conversation I had a look for the first book, found it on spotify, gave it a listen while on my incel walk and finished the first chapter. I don't know this author, never read anything of his, only know what people have said in this thread so I'm basing everything that follows on that single chapter.

I'll give it some props, it was engaging, and the exploding sun was a good hook. The prose was nice and flowed well unlike some other authors I've complained about. It reminded me of Rothfuss' prose.

With that out of the way, if this manuscript found its way on my desk it would've been half way to the bin at the first Rome reference and then the rest of the way with the first shameless lifting of Dune concepts. If you are going to rip off ideas (and you will because that's what everyone does) for the love of Christ, MAKE IT YOUR OWN. Do not rip off Rome and Latin, it's been done to death. Do not rip off original concepts from other stories 1:1 without putting your own twist on it. The main character seems to be on his way to being a down on his luck Gary Stu trying to justify his decision to destroy the heart of an Empire? It reminds me of Kvothe now that I'm typing it out. Yeah, the story seems to be taking its beats from Name of the Wind. Retelling of the story of killing an Emperor instead of a King? Exploding a god damn star to do it? I'll let him have it though since it's an interesting concept and I would like to know more.

If this bloke is a shining star for the modern industry, the industry is fucked. I wouldn't go as far as saying the medium is fucked, but it sure is close. Maybe it gets more original? There seems to be like six of these books in the series so I'd hope so. The derivativeness just left such a sour taste in my mouth that my contrarian nature kicked in and I got mad. All I'm looking for is a new SF series to read that is as engaging as The Expanse and I was disappointed. I guess this series isn't for me.
 
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With that out of the way, if this manuscript found its way on my desk it would've been half way to the bin at the first Rome reference and then the rest of the way with the first unabashed and shameless lifting of Dune concepts. If you are going to rip off ideas (and you will because that's what everyone does) for the love of Christ, MAKE IT YOUR OWN. Do not rip off Rome and Latin, it's been done to death. Do not rip off original concepts from other stories 1:1 without putting your own twist on it. The main character seems to be on his way to being a down on his luck Gary Stu trying to justify his decision to destroy the heart of an Empire? It reminds me of Kvothe now that I'm typing it out. Yeah, the story seems to be taking its beats from Name of the Wind. Retelling of the story of killing an Emperor instead of a King? Exploding a god damn star to do it? I'll let him have it though since it's an interesting concept and I would like to know more.
It was the very familiar passages that made me lose interest in reading any of it.
[Empire of Silence]
So let us bypass history, sidestep the politics and the marching tramp of empires. Forget the beginnings of mankind in the fire and ash of Old Earth, and so too ignore the Cielcin rising in cold and from darkness. Those tales are recorded elsewhere in all the tongues of mankind and her subjects. Let us move to the only beginning I’ve a right to: my own.
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[The Name of the Wind (Patrick Rothfuss)]
Very well, for simplicity's sake, let us assume I am the center of creation. In doing this, let us pass over innumerable boring stories: the rise and fall of empires, sagas of heroism, ballads of tragic love. Let us hurry forward to the only tale of any real importance." His smile broadened. "Mine."
[Empire of Silence]
In my long life I have known too many palatines, men and women both, who so abused their underlings. There are words for creatures who so abuse their power, but none shall ever be applied to me.
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[The Name of the Wind (Patrick Rothfuss)]
Needless to say, I kept my distance. There are names for people who take advantage of women who are not in full control of themselves, and none of those names will ever rightfully be applied to me.
It's basically the story of Kvothe Atreides.
 
Yeah it's not a D&D sourcebook/worldbook or whatever, it's a novel.
Tell that to LitRPG writers and readers.

As far as I'm concerned, that's a genre that blends two media together while losing the best of both. The subtle character development of a good novel is replaced with a character sheet, and the ability of the TTRPG player to profoundly affect the direction of the story is lost by virtue of it being a novel.

It becomes an even shittier version of Choose Your Own Adventure.
Essentially, they're banking on people just buying new devices, and just continuing to buy subscriptions, without ever actually owning books.
When I heard about the change, I immediately assumed it was just a brute-force way of ending support for the oldest Kindle devices. They made them too well, I guess. Forgot to plan the obsolescence. Or maybe this is the planned obsolescence.
 
It's basically the story of Kvothe Atreides
Oh wow. How did his editor allow this? It reads like a first bin book. You know what I mean, the first story you write where you put in every influence you've accumulated over your life with the the story you've dreamed about for years. It's garbage and derivative so you throw it away having lanced all those bad ideas. Then you write a few more and eventually you find your voice and that becomes your 'overnight success'.

I had a look on goodreads and the following books in the series get way better reviews so I might be onto something.
 
It becomes an even shittier version of Choose Your Own Adventure.
I'd like to write one of those for funsies, like a quest. Let the audience decide if we slay the dragon or lay the dragon!

Oh who am I kidding they're gonna bang the scalie.
If this bloke is a shining star for the modern industry, the industry is fucked. I wouldn't go as far as saying the medium is fucked, but it sure is close.
I'll be the first to admit that my praise was colored by it not being the Way of Kings, where I wish the characters would speak like they're in an actual fantasy setting rather than in the modern day. Plus I don't read a lot of fiction so my palate is a lot less refined. A lot of the first book leans heavily into Dune, and I haven't read Rothfuss (only his PG thread), so can't comment on Kvothe. Once you get out of the Empire (or even out of being a palatine) it's a lot less Dune for sure, starting at around the halfway point of book 1.

The thing that got me the most (especially later on) is that the main character seems to be a misfit for holding relatively normal (for our time) views and is consistently proven wrong for holding them. Much better than most hero books in that regard.
 
I'll give the 2nd book a go after reading that he changed from an editor who wanted it to be more like Kingkiller and that the author has a YT channel where he does recaps.
 
So @Commissar Fuklaw I can't reply directly...

My read on the intro to the first Sun Eater book feeling like Kingkiller is that may have been forced on Ruocchio by DAW editorial. He has the same publisher as Rothfuss, and unlike Rothfuss, he's actually writing books, so...

It's an issue with a lot of DAW titles in the late 2010s. They'd sunk millions into Patrick Rothfuss, and he was even by this point clearly never going to write another book, so they tried to MAKE the next Rothfuss.

Rothfuss wishes he had a fraction of Ruocchio's talent. Thankfully after those few opening bits, Ruocchio stops the imitation entirely. Not the least of which, book 7 comes out this year, and we actually WILL get to see a Sun get eaten.

As for the Dune comparisons, I think they're accidental. Ruocchio had admitted in interviews he intentionally avoided rereading Frank Herbert or Orson Scott Card and other authors who tackled similar epic space opera to avoid accidentally pulling stuff. Some of these things are just what happens when you write epic space opera (ie there are only so many ways to get around lightspeed to name an example).

Space Rome you got him dead blank, but it works because Ruocchio clearly knows his shit regarding the history and myth of Rome, because he does it damn near better than any other author I've seen.

You want a bad modern Space Rome, pick up Ann Leckie or John Scalzi.
 
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