Ziz / Jack Amadeus LaSota / Zizians / sinceriously.fyi - Vegan AI Singularity Doomsday Cult turned Tranny Manson Family. Implicated in at least 6 deaths.

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I used to binge watch his stuff
Me too. Sometimes I still fall asleep to these videos.

Also he may have sued this thread for some of his info. A lot of the same photos and sources plus he used the same photo of Rita and Richard but he flipped/reversed it. Dammit "That Chapter" you completely fooled everyone into thinking you legitimately sourced that photo. (That Chapter twirls his mustache)
 
Should have guessed he had a thread. I rely on Moike for True Crime developments, and even he couldn't believe the way events have unfolded.

Did we ever find out what the used medical equipment was in the campsite just before they stabbed their landlord for the first time? Being trannies I'm guessing it was another DIY chopshop affair, and they usually groom victims somewhere online... perhaps something to uncover?
 
The Other McCain ("TOM" for this post) has been posting updates on the Zizians:

"Radical Vegan Transgender Death Cult Gets Mainstream Media Coverage UPDATE: Finally, the KiwiFarms Thread"
Commenter "McGehee" updates:
KF confirms that Dan LaSota is Jack's father, and that Jack was born before I met Dan.

Previously I mentioned that I found Dan "soft-headed," and how his son has turned out would, I think, confirm that.

Dan's cohort, Cole Sonafrank, though untrustworthy, at least struck me as grounded enough to not raise a transgender death cult leader, vegan or otherwise -- unless the cult was the generic political Left, which, well...
TOM doesn't seem to understand though about KF's Proving Grounds and how threads are developed well before they're made visible to those not logged in. He thought we're just late.


"‘Remembrance’ for a Criminal"
On the connection between Borhanian and the trans genocide narrative.


"BREAKING: Cult Leader Jack ‘Ziz’ LaSota and Michelle Zajko Arrested in Maryland UPDATE: Third Suspect Also Captured"


"MUGSHOTS: Jack ‘Ziz’ LaSota, Michelle ‘Jamie’ Zajko, Daniel ‘Hastur’ Blank"


"Bail Hearing Today for Cult Suspects UPDATE: Judge Orders All Three ‘Extremists’ Held Without Bond"
TOM actually goes to the courthouse to report in person on the Zizian's first court appearance in Cumberland.


"‘Ziz’ Misgendered and Other Highlights of Tuesday’s Court Hearing for Cult Suspects"
More direct reporting from the court appearance.


Vox has posted an article about the Zizians, but it's terrible, and starts off by completely misrepresenting the Rationalist movement as a "centuries-old philosophical belief".


On the other hand, Wired has posted an article which Ken The Cowboy (the guy maintaining the Zizian investigative Google Doc) recommends.
Damn the wired article really is insanely good. Definitely the best definitive look at it all. And provides a ton of new information.
 
On the other hand, Wired has posted an article which Ken The Cowboy (the guy maintaining the Zizian investigative Google Doc) recommends.
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Me too. Sometimes I still fall asleep to these videos.

Also he may have sued this thread for some of his info. A lot of the same photos and sources plus he used the same photo of Rita and Richard but he flipped/reversed it. Dammit "That Chapter" you completely fooled everyone into thinking you legitimately sourced that photo. (That Chapter twirls his mustache)
With a channel that big he's definitely got research assistants.

HELLO THAT CHAPTER RESEARCHER. When you showed your work and he was blown away did you say you got it from 'Collaborative Data Services'
 
Me too. Sometimes I still fall asleep to these videos.

Also he may have sued this thread for some of his info. A lot of the same photos and sources plus he used the same photo of Rita and Richard but he flipped/reversed it. Dammit "That Chapter" you completely fooled everyone into thinking you legitimately sourced that photo. (That Chapter twirls his mustache)
I got that photo from local news. What's more interesting is that picture of Danielson he used. I cropped that out of the burn-in picture.
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TinEye gives no other results:
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And Google reverse images search just gives me a watermarked version used by Andy Ngo:
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So That Chapter or someone on his research team has visited this thread.
 
I get it now. This is what happens when people stop being Christians. As an ex New Atheist I have to say it: humanity can't cope. I've learned to be suspicious of intelligence too. All of the smartest and most educated people I know are completely delusional. They're not just wrong about real life or politics vs abstract ideas but in their own fields of expertise. FFS look at theoretical physics. What is the point of intelligence evolutionarily?! it doesn't keep you alive after a certain point, it makes you go crazy and sabotage your fertility.
 
I get it now. This is what happens when people stop being Christians. As an ex New Atheist I have to say it: humanity can't cope. I've learned to be suspicious of intelligence too. All of the smartest and most educated people I know are completely delusional. They're not just wrong about real life or politics vs abstract ideas but in their own fields of expertise.
I feel like one of the things that killed New Atheism was the discovery of just how many Atheists were just against the religion they were born into. So, so many of the fedora-tippers were all-in on shitting on Christianity, but would run away or get huffy if you brought up Judaism or Islam.

FFS look at theoretical physics.
Those guys and mathematicians go crazy awful frequently. I don't think we talk about that phenomenon enough.

What is the point of intelligence evolutionarily?! it doesn't keep you alive after a certain point, it makes you go crazy and sabotage your fertility.
You might like Blindsight. The whole book is available for free online.
 
I used to think cults only involved poor, ignorant dipshits. I can say this from personal experience, being an ex-cult member.

That is, until I noticed the amount of people with doctorates in my cult and others. Not just people with doctorates, but intellectuals, artists, authors.

I mean, fuck, this reminds me of the Aum Shinrikyo, who also attracted young intellectuals. It's a pattern.
 
I used to think cults only involved poor, ignorant dipshits. I can say this from personal experience, being an ex-cult member.

That is, until I noticed the amount of people with doctorates in my cult and others. Not just people with doctorates, but intellectuals, artists, authors.

I mean, fuck, this reminds me of the Aum Shinrikyo, who also attracted young intellectuals. It's a pattern.
After all, cults usually fund themselves by exploiting their members, and uneducated speds don't typically have a lot of money. Most cult leaders are not in it for a Manson-style life of squatting in trailer parks and eating whatever their hippie followers dug out of the garbage. Scientology obviously has some rich and famous members, you mentioned Aum Shinrikyo of course, and I was recently reading Manhattan Cult Story which is about another one that specifically targets rich, urbane, young professionals.
 
It's important to read the post Net Negative to have the full context for this. In it Ziz describes how she doesn't just think animals and insects are important moral patients, but of approximately equal moral worth to human beings:
I've never read a more convoluted reasoning for refusing to bathe.
So, how do Zizians deal with the knowledge that even vegan foods have some animal costs (e.g. mice that get run over by the combine when the grains are harvested, roadkills during transport, pest control in the factory to keep ze bugs out of your plant-based foods? Use of livestock to clear land, use of bees to pollinate fruit trees...&tc.)

Cause if Jack seriously believes that ANTS have the same value as persons, then there's pretty much no way around the fact that his continued existence is a Shoah for ants - any plant based food you consume may have resulted in the deaths of millions of ants, the water you drink may have amoebas or other organisms in it. How many ants do you think he ran over with his van without even knowing?
 
What is the point of intelligence evolutionarily?
To notice patterns, adapt and survive.

Being good at school, or tech, or maths, does not make someone intelligent. It just makes them a savant. Learning from the mistakes you make and the mistakes others make is what makes someone intelligent.

For example, Destiny can probably gish gallop and out argue us all on a condensed live streamed debate. But I am not a degenerate coomer, nor am I stupid enough to film people without consent and share it with a twitter thot promoting an Onlyfans. Destiny isn't intelligent. He's a savant at bullshitting his way through a situation. Outside of that he is a retard. I am smarter and more intelligent than Destiny and so is most of this forum (trust me this isn't a high bar to clear), he's just better than us at online bullshitting and much worse with judgement and impulse control.

Most of who we classify as intelligent aren't really. They're either savants, bullshitters, or both. They're retards that are good at 1 or maybe 2 things but lack the ability to adapt and learn outside of those things.

So don't get hung up on the modern day idea of intelligence. It isn't what the majority of people understand it to be. Intelligence is the measure of an individual's capacity to learn and adapt. That is it's purpose from an evolutionary point, and most of those who loudly proclaim to be intelligent fundementally lack an ability to learn and adapt because they think they're "too smart" to do so. Which pretty much proves that despite their proclamations of intelligence the truth is they're borderline retarded.
 
I've never read a more convoluted reasoning for refusing to bathe.
So, how do Zizians deal with the knowledge that even vegan foods have some animal costs (e.g. mice that get run over by the combine when the grains are harvested, roadkills during transport, pest control in the factory to keep ze bugs out of your plant-based foods? Use of livestock to clear land, use of bees to pollinate fruit trees...&tc.)
And what about disease vectors? Mosquitoes, cockroaches, rats, etc.?

What about parasites? Are you gonna let that tapeworm grow in your guts? And let ticks, leeches, lice suck your blood?

This is just as retarded as another cult I've heard of, Jainism. The assholes even starve themselves and avoid stepping on grass to promote some vague ideal of "non-violence".
 
And what about disease vectors? Mosquitoes, cockroaches, rats, etc.?

What about parasites? Are you gonna let that tapeworm grow in your guts? And let ticks, leeches, lice suck your blood?

This is just as retarded as another cult I've heard of, Jainism. The assholes even starve themselves and avoid stepping on grass to promote some vague ideal of "non-violence".
Probably the real answer is that the Zizian conception of all life possessing equal moral value isn't really that sincere, or if it is, Jack's evil enough to consider killing a human being to be as morally negligible as stepping on ants in the shower - rather, his shower was of greater moral importance because four ants had to die for that, whereas only one guy (Mr. Lind) had to die over their nonpayment of rent. But it seems like the only real way to move forward and live your life while maintaining this belief is that Jack's totally evil and human life is equivalent to ants in his eyes. And he's the godlike doublegood and so his life matters more because he's saving the world or whatever he thinks he does.

TBH the whole veganism thing is probably more valuable as a method to force a sweeping behavior change in acolytes and indoctrinate them into becoming full cult members, to isolate them from non-vegans, glaze them up for being superior when they go vegan, gives the cult a reason to hate anyone who isn't vegan, and so serves a lot of practical purposes for Jack even if the reasoning for why veganism breaks down when you think about it for more than like, ten seconds.
 
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