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I don't know what people want Zelensky to do honestly.

You let your country be invaded to the last man or you put up with Trump belittling you and pretending national politics is another wall street deal.
"belittling"

Zelensky could have either not taken the minerals deal or taken it.

What he should not have done was try to provoke Trump and Vance so brazenly by demanding things (i.e ground troops).

Demanding that a foreign country provides you with lives to throw away is fucking insane crackhead behavior.

Zelensky was wearing some military LARP outfit and getting aggressive with a potential ally when everybody knows he is a wimpy theater kid who crossdressed for a fucking music video.
 
I don't know what people want Zelensky to do honestly.

You let your country be invaded to the last man or you put up with Trump belittling you and pretending national politics is another wall street deal.
Rock and a hard place, Ukraine's position isn't great and Zelensky doesn't exactly have much leverage. Americans are generally tired of money being sent to a country that is seemingly in an endless war and the Ukrainians don't have all the power and pockets of AIPAC.

The only right moves for him I can think of currently is trying to show the American populace what is gained by helping his country and at least being agreeable with Trump publicly. Getting on the bad side on one of your more important benefactors (if not the most important) rarely if ever goes well.
 
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I don't know what people want Zelensky to do honestly.

You let your country be invaded to the last man or you put up with Trump belittling you and pretending national politics is another wall street deal.
Here's what we want: we want American involvement in this retarded war to end. Either he lets us negotiate peace with Russia and gives us some form of recompense after the $350+ billion we gave him, or he learns to fight Russia on his own. We're done giving him free money (especially after Hurricane Helene) and we're certainly not going to go to war with Russia.
 
I don't know what people want Zelensky to do honestly.

You let your country be invaded to the last man or you put up with Trump belittling you and pretending national politics is another wall street deal.
You put the minerals in the bag
 
Fuck Saddam not for any MUH DEMOCRACY reasons but because he allowed his retard son to be a modern Marquis De Sade.
If it’s real and not baby bayonetted In incubator tier propaganda (it probably is just that)

Fuck saddam for being another dumb sandnigger dictator, who cares, that war was kino and the 30 day American blitzkrieg to the capital was based.
 
Rock and a hard place, Ukraine's position isn't great and Zelensky doesn't exactly have much leverage. Americans are generally tired of money being sent to a country that is seemingly in an endless war and the Ukrainians don't have all the power and pockets of AIPAC.

The only right moves for him I can think right now is trying to show the American populace what is gained by helping his country and at least being agreeable with Trump publicly. Getting on the bad side on one of your more important benefactors (if not the most important) rarely if ever goes well.
There is nothing to be gained. Ukraine is Russia. Always was. Always will be. Fuck the "sovereignty."
 
Here's what we want: we want American involvement in this retarded war to end. Either he lets us negotiate peace with Russia and gives us some form of recompense after the $350+ billion we gave him, or he learns to fight Russia on his own. We're done giving him free money (especially after Hurricane Helene) and we're certainly not going to go to war with Russia.
but if puttin wins it rise of USSR / its just like Hitler in ...
 
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I don't know what people want Zelensky to do honestly.

You let your country be invaded to the last man or you put up with Trump belittling you and pretending national politics is another wall street deal.
Die is the only good choice he has. He's a failed leader who thought he was in charge of the people funding his delusions
 
If it’s real and not baby bayonetted In incubator tier propaganda (it probably is just that)

Fuck saddam for being another dumb sandnigger dictator, who cares, that war was kino and the 30 day American blitzkrieg to the capital was based.
People with legit proof have shown how Uday Hussein was a crazy psycho rivalling De Sade. Even his own family pointed out how fucked up he was. I'm also just jot gonna give a sandnigger benefit of the doubt when it comes to being a psychotic violent rapist.
 
I don't know what people want Zelensky to do honestly.

You let your country be invaded to the last man or you put up with Trump belittling you and pretending national politics is another wall street deal.
You shut the fuck up and sign on the dotted line.

What world do you fucking live in where you think Ukraine is going to win the war without full blown global conflict? He can't call the fucking police to evict Russia from his territory and they're not going to leave out of the goodness of their hearts. When your options are die to the last man or give Putin earth and water you pick the one that saves the most lives.

This isn't a fucking call of duty campaign. There isn't going to be some miracle that annihilates the Russians and topples Putins regime.

Imagine being so retarded as a world leader that you believe it is the worlds duty to give you free shit and die in your wars for you.
 
It has been a pointless slaughter for years now.

The Ukrainians were and are certainly valiant in their defense, but they just can't reconquer what the Russians already occupied.
Russia has the longer breath in this war, they produce their own weapons, have a larger population and have a "start atomic war" button.

Bitter Pill for the Ukrainians to be sure, but history is not fair.
The Korean War also wasn't fair and the peninsula will forever be fucked. This war should have never happened nor should the escalation ever went past the Donbas in 2014.
Obama could have fixed the issue back then and the event could have never even happened if America ever tried to work with Russia.

It's not hard to know what Putin wanted for decades which was an actual relationship with the West so Russia could prosper and we never gave it to him so now we reached the point where he will then take land and grab power. Despite their relationship with China they constantly betrayed each other because neither trusted the either and Mao himself thought Russia would invade. We have had diplomatic relationships with worse nations yet decided to continue the Cold War mentality while greater threats existed. Russia is responsible for this war, but the roots of the conflict ultimately lies with Western Nations. Russia has no worse human rights than China or any Middle Eastern country.

I'm not some person who goons to the death of Russians or Ukrainians like a large portion of this site nor to I have the delusion that Ukraine can hold out forever. War sucks, concessions suck, and if anyone hasn't realized since the end of WW2 conflicts don't end nicely or cleanly. If you are an actual leader you would do what's best for your country no matter how much it sucks. The war had to end.
 
I have tragic news, bros. /u/apost8n8 is feeling devastated and hopeless.View attachment 7039464
It’s always feelings with these people.

“Oh, I feel traumatized!”
“I’m just flabbergasted!”
“I’m feeling devastated and hopeless!”

Jesus Christ, just change your tampon and be objective for once. 11 years of fighting and it’s only gotten worse for Ukraine. $350 billion, all kinds of equipment and aid, only so neither side can move the map. All the aid in the world can’t replace the people who died. The demographic damage is probably irreparable at this point. Ukraine is fucking done, and all this hysterical emotional manipulation is doing is pushing people away from it. No one buys it anymore, especially since Stevie Wonder can see that the money never made it to the right hands.
 
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