Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Preacher ✝]

I have extended a peaceful branch of understanding to the members of the Ukraine thread because I seek to know why they are so devoted to Zelensky. I did this because it would seem their impression of him is wildly different from mine.

Out of a genuine sense of fairness I extend the same branch here.

My current impression of him is a comedian in over his head running a country during wartime, but I am open to that impression being inaccurate.

From what I've heard he's been lining his pockets with the funds from the west and demonstrating an over-reliance on sympathy to make up for his own shortcomings in the game of politics.

The suit thing for example. I hear he wears fatigues "because his country is at war" but if that's all then its nothing more than cheap theatrics.

Look at this picture from WWII.

Notice how the world leaders are all wearing suits and the military commanders are in uniform. Why does Zelensky think he can shirk this standard? How should it be viewed if not as a sign of disrespect?

 

[Average Russian Spy]

I have extended a peaceful branch of understanding to the members of the Ukraine thread because I seek to know why they are so devoted to Zelensky.

Well, with the brief glance in their thread, it looks like they are giving you a very Ukrainian reaction. Remember, going against the narrative = bad.

 

[Jimjam the zimzam]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ukrainian false-flag attack soon?

Look, I don't what they'd do but more people understand this conflict than you imagine. I tune into a local Dominican radio station occasionally and someone compared this to the recent Haiti/DR tensions and gave a very neutral and nuanced explanation. It came out of the blue but both territorial disputes were examined, compared and evaluated.

And that's what it is, in essence; a territorial dispute.

It's ironic because they really saturated the media all over the world over this conflict, trying to drum up support but when people looked into it they realized it wasn't as simple as Russia bad, Ukraine good. Any false flag that's blamed on Russia and benefits the Ukraine is going to be methodically examined and evaluated and just like every stunt they've pull it will have the opposite effect.

It could even ally the US with Russia to take down Zyliinsky and the Banderites, which would be the supreme irony.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Well, with the brief glance in their thread, it looks like they are giving you a very Ukrainian reaction. Remember, going against the narrative = bad.

I have come to understand this quite well in my dealings with NAFO faggots but I had some hopes for better conduct on the farms.

Do they not realize that it is unwise to hold both a "with us or against us" attitude and be hostile to anyone seeking to understand them? How can they expect anyone to go from neutral to with them if they are so unwelcoming?

 

[Mr Bunny]

Out of a genuine sense of fairness I extend the same branch here.

Just to be clear are you asking the thread it's opinion on Zelensky or it's opinion of the man who would be to the opposite of Zelensky which is Putin?

 

[JustTheFaxcts]

Well, with the brief glance in their thread, it looks like they are giving you a very Ukrainian reaction. Remember, going against the narrative = bad.

I mainly just lurk, but the difference between the two threads is hilarious. @Preacher asked a simple question in a neutral tone and gets instantly 'downvoted' with people chiming in to berate him. Half the posters have coomer avatars, and the darth vader one seems to be having a complete break from reality. The lolcows are coming from inside the house!

 

[Preacher ✝]

Just to be clear are you asking the thread it's opinion on Zelensky or it's opinion of the man who would opposite of Zelensky which is Putin?

I am asking for the opinions on Zelensky.

I presume they are as negative here as they are positive in the other thread. Where as I currently hold a somewhat bemused neutral relative to the general negative impression I have for most politicians.

 

[Jump]

Well, with the brief glance in their thread, it looks like they are giving you a very Ukrainian reaction. Remember, going against the narrative = bad.

I just flipped over there and see the draft dodger is still around and was reminded why I can't be bothered to care about their opinions. They are over there arguing that others should go die for their homeland that they themselves can't be bothered to go fight for.

I really, really hope that the EU grows a set and just deports the of 24-60 year old hohol men back to Ukraine 1st before sending EU men to fight.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I have come to understand this quite well in my dealings with NAFO faggots but I had some hopes for better conduct on the farms.

Do they not realize that it is unwise to hold both a "with us or against us" attitude and be hostile to anyone seeking to understand them? How can they expect anyone to go from neutral to with them if they are so unwelcoming?

Personally, I don't think they care about attracting neutrals. This thread seems to laugh more at stuff going on. The other thread gets very, very mad. Now I've seen a couple of people on both threads get pretty mad, but I think I've only ever seen novel page length seethe sessions come from over there. Some of them are incredibly invested in this war.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

I mainly just lurk, but the difference between the two threads is hilarious. @Preacher asked a simple question in a neutral tone and gets instantly 'downvoted' with people chiming in to berate him. Half the posters have coomer avatars, and the darth vader one seems to be having a complete break from reality. The lolcows are coming from inside the house!

What's funny is that I was originally neutral with a slight bias towards Ukraine, but over the past three years, the absolute insanity of the Pro-Ukies gradually made me hate them. I think them cheering on the Crocus Terror Attack was the final straw for me.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Some of them are incredibly invested in this war.

I can understand that, but this seems to go beyond that.

If it was just an investment in the war then it should be fairly obvious that pissing off Trump is not a good tactical decision.

However what I'm witnessing is a full court press on the notion that Trump is an unhinged moron and Zelensky can do no wrong, which is why I seek to understand what drove them to this level of devotion to Zelensky.

 

[AllieKat]

I have extended a peaceful branch of understanding to the members of the Ukraine thread because I seek to know why they are so devoted to Zelensky. I did this because it would seem their impression of him is wildly different from mine.

They'll just cry to the Jannies and you'll be banned from replying. Same happened to me

 

[Jimjam the zimzam]

How can they expect anyone to go from neutral to with them if they are so unwelcoming?

because Putin is LITERALLY HITLER, if you are not already against him you are secretly an EVIL RACIST NAZI BIGOT TRANSPHOBE ISLAMOPHOBE. but also Russia is becoming an islamic state, Putin is secretly gay, and Ukrainians are heckin' based nazis, LONG LIVE BANDERA, SLAVA UKRAINI!!!!!

they are completely brainwashed and polarized useful idiots, no room for rational thought. You are either already in-line with their line of programming, or you are not.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

I can understand that, but this seems to go beyond that.

If it was just an investment in the war then it should be fairly obvious that pissing off Trump is not a good tactical decision.

However what I'm witnessing is a full court press on the notion that Trump is an unhinged moron and Zelensky can do no wrong, which is why I seek to understand what drove them to this level of devotion to Zelensky.

Congratulations. You are now witnessing the schism of the MAGA and Pro-Ukrainian parties of the Internet which, at one point, tricked themselves into thinking they were allies.

 

[Mr Bunny]

I am asking for the opinions on Zelensky.

The man seems to have a gun pointed at his head from who is speculation, some here would say the hardliners in the government and army but I think there are bigger players at work.

He was willing to come to an agreement three years ago until he listened to the British and was even elected with promise to end hostilities in Ukraine. So he's not a completely unreasonable character.

So his current behaviour is bizarre to say the least.

 

[JustTheFaxcts]

I can understand that, but this seems to go beyond that.

If it was just an investment in the war then it should be fairly obvious that pissing off Trump is not a good tactical decision.

However what I'm witnessing is a full court press on the notion that Trump is an unhinged moron and Zelensky can do no wrong, which is why I seek to understand what drove them to this level of devotion to Zelensky.

It's interesting that their replies to you aren't really defending Zelensky. It's mostly attacking you personally. They seem to see it almost like team sports, where you cheer one side unconditionally while hating the other. The only problem is actual lives are on the line.

 

[Preacher ✝]

They'll just cry to the Jannies and you'll be banned from replying. Same happened to me

I do not fear unjust persecution.

because Putin is LITERALLY HITLER

to be clear I am not a fan of Putin either, I do not like how he plays at caeseropapism with the Russian Orthodox Church.

 

[Uncle Holter]

Ukrainian false-flag attack soon?

9/11 2 electric boogaloo

Enjoy dying for Israel goy child!

 

[Cuckoman]

I'm not totally geopolitically literate so forgive me if this sounds retarded, but I have a few questions. I would consult Google ordinarily but this issue is heavily polluted with ZOG and so I know I wont get straight answers elsewhere. With that said, here's what I'm wondering:

1) What does Russia even want with Ukraine? According to the MSM Putin is just deranged and evil, which I find hard to completely believe. At the same time I see a lot of people in this thread rimming Russia, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're in this for anything but land or some bullshit historical claim or, god forbid "de-nazification". Is there even a "good guy" here?

2) How come the deal fell through? Was it really Zelenskyy's tone that put Trump off that much, or was there another dispute? Because as far as I can parse the deal is U.S. access to REMs in exchange for troops and support. Is Ukraine demanding support without concessions, or is Trump being iffy on holding up his end of the bargain? Or maybe its something even more gay like a dispute over the specified (i.e. you can't have this particular mine, we want x technology)?

Can only answer the second one. Rubio had secured an agreement that Z and Trump would sign the deal about the mineral rights.
That was the only purpose of Z's visit to the WhiteHouse. He and Trump will sign the agreed upon deal.
Anything else was secondary.

Z shows up and refuses to sign the deal and instead starts trying to re-negotiate the deal in front of the tv cameras.
Trump (and Vance) gets really pissed off by this because the only purpose of this meeting was "to sign the deal" and nothing else.
It was also the second time recently where Z has agreed to sign the deal but then when it came to pen-on-paper he refuses and instead wants to re-negotiate a different deal.

Trump got real pissed off because as a business-man you do not walk back a deal you have already agreed on. And you do not do it twice.

TL;DR
The whole purpose of the meeting was to sign the deal, shake hands and smile to the camera. Z changed his mind and wanted to re-negotiate instead of signing the deal.