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Scholar on Israel, Audio Engineer, Media Producer, Web Developer, Cultural Icon, Political Influencer...there's nothing Destiny can't do if he puts his mind to it.
If he were representing himself pro se, then at some point his name would still show up in the right column. It's always possible it happens, but he's really not doing himself any favors by delaying retaining counsel. They have to file something—whether a motion to dismiss or an answer. Every day that passes is a day wasted for him because it's less time to draft something adequate.

We'll likely end up with some shitty filing after Destiny put off getting a lawyer for too long. If he thinks the lawtube attention is annoying now, just wait until they're mocking his responsive filings.
 
Another week passes, and still no sign of Destiny's vaunted legal team. Maybe the "penny lawyers" were correct?

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Scholar on Israel, Audio Engineer, Media Producer, Web Developer, Cultural Icon, Political Influencer...there's nothing Destiny can't do if he puts his mind to it.

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My instinct based on Destiny's statements, and Kuihman's & jstlk's confidence that he does have a legal team make me 99% that he does have done.
However, Destiny is indeed a retard who thinks he's +40 IQ points of what he actually has, so he probably does think he knows the law better than your average lawyer.

Now, again, I don't know much about law, and even less about US law.
But if what jstlk said a week (?) ago is true, that his legal team are ones that are specialized in defending rapists, wouldn't it be likely that it's getting procrastinated as much as possible because Destiny is more worried about the public image aspect of the case, and people probing into who his legal team is, and the type of clients that they have, would further ruin his image and get him mocked?
Just spit balling, I really do not know anything, and I haven't been able to watch jstlk's or Kuihman's last couple streams, so don't know if they have said anything new about Destiny's legal team.
 
I'm convinced that this freak and his retarded Ukrainian whore Ana are Russian controlled opposition set out to make me as unsympathetic to the Ukrainian plight as much as possible. She recently posted in his subreddit again, because I guess the only place she can still grift off her dead dad is the noted sex pests community.

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"The One Good Ana"

Fucking revolting
 
But if what jstlk said a week (?) ago is true, that his legal team are ones that are specialized in defending rapists, wouldn't it be likely that it's getting procrastinated as much as possible because Destiny is more worried about the public image aspect of the case, and people probing into who his legal team is, and the type of clients that they have, would further ruin his image and get him mocked?
It's possible, but it's a pretty dumb concern. He would have to instruct his attorney to not file a notice of appearance, and the attorney would have to agree. It's not really a big deal from a legal perspective whether his attorney has defended rapists or not, and I don't think any legitimate legal observer would mock him for that. I just find it hard to buy the idea that a practicing attorney would agree to this type of tactic—if you could even call it that—that has so little legal benefit, especially as there is are ethical duties implicated. If service is required for a filing from Pxie, her attorneys are ethically bound to only communicate with Destiny's counsel if he's represented. Hiding that he's represented from opposing counsel is really weird.

I think it's more likely that either Destiny is in denial or he's been shopping around for an attorney that will buy into whatever specific strategy Destiny is trying to pursue, and hasn't retained one that he really likes just yet. If either of those are true, then it doesn't bode well for Destiny.
 
I'm convinced that this freak and his retarded Ukrainian whore Ana are Russian controlled opposition set out to make me as unsympathetic to the Ukrainian plight as much as possible. She recently posted in his subreddit again, because I guess the only place she can still grift off her dead dad is the noted sex pests community.

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"The One Good Ana"

Fucking revolting
I feel bad for Ana. I don't like her at all simply because I think she has a very boring personality, is/was a huge Destiny simp, and as you say pretty much only ever appeared to ask for money.
But desperate times require desperate measures.

It's sad that Destiny's community is all she has for this. She clearly wanted to completely cut ties when the allegations came out, but she has no other community/content creator to beg for money.

Also, yes, her constant trying to insult Anavoir (even tho Anavoir is also annoying, and mentally ill) is just so incredibly pick me and disgusting.

I think that maybe why I can't hate her, even tho I find her annoying, is that I find it tragic how her Dad died. Very much seems (probably due to good reasons) that this war has become everything to her, and I wonder how she'll feel/be affected by her grief when the war is done.
 
They have to file something—whether a motion to dismiss or an answer. Every day that passes is a day wasted for him because it's less time to draft something adequate.
Right. Either Destiny or his team will have to file. I'm assuming it's bad lawyer etiquette that if he has a team already that they haven't filed something already. It's going to reflect poorly on the lawyer and/or Destiny. It's a cheap delay tactic that doesn't accomplish anything, according to the lawtubers anyway
But if what jstlk said a week (?) ago is true, that his legal team are ones that are specialized in defending rapists, wouldn't it be likely that it's getting procrastinated as much as possible because Destiny is more worried about the public image aspect of the case, and people probing into who his legal team is, and the type of clients that they have, would further ruin his image and get him mocked?
I would trust JSTLK and Kuihman to have more of a pulse on what's going on and having a legal team makes more sense than not having one.

The PR aspect of hiring rape-defending lawyers is kind of moot, imo, though. The lawyers names are going to be public information and if their specialty is defending rape that information is coming out anyway. The very fact that he would be seeking out lawyers with that specialty tells the story, even if he would want to play it off as the lawyers defending men who are unfairly accused. A case could be made for the delay if the lawyers are trying to gather as much material as possible before trying to represent him or maybe they're negotiating big fees and are based out of another city (LA or NYC).

Potentially Criminal discussed on Adam and Sitch that a lawyer might sign onto this case to only lessen the overall financial blow to Destiny because they otherwise can't disprove the case against him. Destiny can lie to his lawyers and those lawyers can unethically accept those lies but Destiny would have to make it worth their while. If Destiny didn't even want to fork over 200k for Pxie's tuition...well. There's just no way he walks into an attorney's office with his manifesto and a binder full of women who might follow up Pxie with accusations and that attorney, with full knowledge of what has happened and what might come next, signs a contract with him. I just can't see it unless it was well and truly the attorneys who defended Weinstein or Johnny Depp that he's going to retain.
 
Tbf regarding the filing late stuff i can only argue with my legal experience, which isnt within any common law lawsystem, but in civile cases it can be useful to respond to a suit as late as possible, as this gives you the time to build a defense and collect evidence for it, since typically, within your letter of response towards the suit you already have to provide evidence for your claim, since a basic principle of civile cases in my law system is that evidence has to be filed as soon as possible, as the case shouldnt be made longer by one party filing evidence very late (late not meaning a legal deadline but as an action which constitutes a deadline, sry my legal english is really bad)
If you file every evidence very late, the judge csn decide to not accept your filing, which is why it is advised to file a lot of evidence within your first response to a suit/within your suit. I can imagine that civile cases within common law systems have a similar rule
 
Tbf regarding the filing late stuff i can only argue with my legal experience, which isnt within any common law lawsystem, but in civile cases it can be useful to respond to a suit as late as possible, as this gives you the time to build a defense and collect evidence for it, since typically, within your letter of response towards the suit you already have to provide evidence for your claim, since a basic principle of civile cases in my law system is that evidence has to be filed as soon as possible, as the case shouldnt be made longer by one party filing evidence very late (late not meaning a legal deadline but as an action which constitutes a deadline, sry my legal english is really bad)
I don't think this is accurate. PC said there is basically no disadvantage to responding to the court as the assigned legal team.
 
I don't think this is accurate. PC said there is basically no disadvantage to responding to the court as the assigned legal team.
Yeah as i said, thats only how stuff works within my legal system (a continental law legal system), and i just thought that there propably would be a similar rule within common law legal systems
 
Now, again, I don't know much about law, and even less about US law.
But if what jstlk said a week (?) ago is true, that his legal team are ones that are specialized in defending rapists, wouldn't it be likely that it's getting procrastinated as much as possible because Destiny is more worried about the public image aspect of the case, and people probing into who his legal team is, and the type of clients that they have, would further ruin his image and get him mocked?
This only works if he thinks he can negotiate a settlement in the next few days. If that doesn't happen, he's going to have to rip the band-aid off and reveal who is representing him.

I think it's more likely that either Destiny is in denial or he's been shopping around for an attorney that will buy into whatever specific strategy Destiny is trying to pursue, and hasn't retained one that he really likes just yet. If either of those are true, then it doesn't bode well for Destiny.
One thing to keep in mind about Destiny is that in addition to being an arrogant know-it-all, he's also lazy and a cheapskate. This is a guy who never bothered to register his car with the California DMV when he moved there because he didn't want to schedule an appointment. He went without health insurance for years because it was cheaper for him to pay the annual penalty tax when he filed his return. I see no reason to think he'd be any more proactive or any more willing to spend on this than he is on anything else.

Broadly speaking, I see two ways that his legal representation develops:

He gets a lawyer at the last possible minute: He probably has a (low) dollar amount that he's willing to spend on this case and thinks his budget should be enough to guarantee a favorable settlement. Any law firm he has talked to has likely tried to set his expectations far lower, or tell him he needs to spend a lot more money, and he doesn't like that. Deep down, he's probably hoping the next lawyer he meets takes pity on his situation and offers to work pro bono. When that doesn't happen, he'll scramble for anyone who will give him the time of day.

He represents himself and does the bare minimum to waste Pxie's money: Pxie's GiveSendGo campaign suggests she'll need $200k for the full length of the lawsuit; she has just over a quarter of that. Destiny might think he can fumble through just enough filings that she burns through her legal fund until she's forced to settle for peanuts. Of course this assumes that her GiveSendGo money is the only money she has for legal fees, and that her lawyers are purely working on an hourly basis rather than on contingency. I could still plausibly see Destiny trying for this, though.
 
Yeah as i said, thats only how stuff works within my legal system (a continental law legal system), and i just thought that there propably would be a similar rule within common law legal systems
If you're talking about actually filing something, then you're not entirely wrong. But we're just talking about a notice of appearance—a notice to the court and other parties that a specific lawyer is on file as representing the other party. That's just a procedural step that carries no substantive legal value, other than telling the other side and court whom to contact regarding filings, communications, etc.

He represents himself and does the bare minimum to waste Pxie's money: Pxie's GiveSendGo campaign suggests she'll need $200k for the full length of the lawsuit; she has just over a quarter of that. Destiny might think he can fumble through just enough filings that she burns through her legal fund until she's forced to settle for peanuts. Of course this assumes that her GiveSendGo money is the only money she has for legal fees, and that her lawyers are purely working on an hourly basis rather than on contingency. I could still plausibly see Destiny trying for this, though.
This is assuming she hasn't hired a lawyer on contingency. She'd probably need to put up some sort of basic retainer in the beginning, but the federal cause of action provides for attorney's fees. If I were a lawyer wanting to build my brand, I'd take on Pxie's case because: (1) if I win, I get my fees paid by the other side; (2) she can ask for a lot of money, both compensatory and punitive, which means I would get a portion of that money if I win; (3) it's not really that difficult of a case overall (some of the claims might get dismissed, but I would hazard she gets at least 2 of them past summary judgment), absent some secret facts that we don't know of (like unleaked message logs of Pxie indicating she's okay with him sharing her videos); and (4) the defendant is a controversial public figure involved in sex-related offenses and I can make a name for myself by winning a big case against that figure, all the while portraying myself as a vindicator of a legally-wronged woman. Destiny is a bad defendant and Pxie is a good plaintiff, just in terms of how they appear to the media, jury, etc.

It's a pretty good deal all around, especially with so few (known) factual disputes at play, and it would be foolish for Destiny to think he can run out Pxie's coffers when her attorneys are probably working on contingency. If someone told him this is a viable tactic, he's retarded for believing them.

There's just no way he walks into an attorney's office with his manifesto and a binder full of women who might follow up Pxie with accusations and that attorney, with full knowledge of what has happened and what might come next, signs a contract with him. I just can't see it unless it was well and truly the attorneys who defended Weinstein or Johnny Depp that he's going to retain.
Well, he can do this, and many attorneys would accept, if he's offering to pay for the headaches involved. Even with his lack of good faith and him digging himself into a deeper hole with that retarded manifesto stream, a lot of attorneys will just see it as a client who requires more work. More work means more billable hours, which results in them making more money.

The issue could be, as @Latrell Sprewell said, that Destiny is being miserly with his legal defense. He could be bringing all of this to attorneys and finding their financial terms too harsh. Or maybe he could be asking them to make arguments that the factual record demonstrates are not true, and when they refuse to argue that he didn't do certain things despite him being on record as doing so, he spergs out and leaves. Maybe he approached attorneys and they're running what is effectively a background check on him to determine whether they should represent him, which might take a little while because it's Destiny who has a huge Internet footprint. Maybe an attorney in Miami doesn't want to represent the guy who laughs on stream at a Trump supporting firefighter getting shot and dying next to his family because it's an unneeded political headache in an increasingly republican area of the country.

Who knows? What we do know is that there is no legal advantage in not filing a notice of appearance, and the lack of that notice is very likely indicative of Destiny not having an attorney yet.
 
He represents himself and does the bare minimum to waste Pxie's money: Pxie's GiveSendGo campaign suggests she'll need $200k for the full length of the lawsuit; she has just over a quarter of that. Destiny might think he can fumble through just enough filings that she burns through her legal fund until she's forced to settle for peanuts. Of course this assumes that her GiveSendGo money is the only money she has for legal fees, and that her lawyers are purely working on an hourly basis rather than on contingency. I could still plausibly see Destiny trying for this, though.
The 20D Parcheesi move behind all of his constant shit talking and evidence deleting: create so much evidence to go through that Pxie cant actually afford the hours needed to go through it.
 
If you're talking about actually filing something, then you're not entirely wrong. But we're just talking about a notice of appearance—a notice to the court and other parties that a specific lawyer is on file as representing the other party. That's just a procedural step that carries no substantive legal value, other than telling the other side and court whom to contact regarding filings, communications, etc.
Oh ok, so you guys seperate the answer to an complaint and the notice of appearance, we typically file them together
 
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I feel bad for Ana. I don't like her at all simply because I think she has a very boring personality, is/was a huge Destiny simp, and as you say pretty much only ever appeared to ask for money.
But desperate times require desperate measures.

It's sad that Destiny's community is all she has for this. She clearly wanted to completely cut ties when the allegations came out, but she has no other community/content creator to beg for money.

I have to disagree with this somewhat.

I have a base level of empathy for her in the same way I do for Dan/kyla. If a person your close to, either because they're a friend or family member, does something unquestionably morally repugnant, I don't believe that it is required of you to drop whatever past disposition you had towards them completely and flagrantly broach the situation as if that prior connection didn't exist. That being said, It doesn't impact how I think about the hostility they should/are currently being treated with in any respect (Kyla/Dan for different reasons than I do Ana).

Ana's charitability for Destiny is clearly contingent on the clout she gets from him and all the benefits that accompany it. On top of that being a cynical and shameful contingency, it's also needless. Ana is someone who has appeared on Piers fucking Morgan, has plenty of other "internet friends/connections" besides Destiny, and the ability to reach out to any liberal leaning show/podcast and probably get an appearance on most of them, since she is a pretty easy to sympathize with character (attractive girl, in the middle of a conflict, dead dad, etc).

The fact that she can make this calculation in her head, and still chooses to mooch off Destiny, makes it impossible for me to feel bad for her.
 
Ana based for taking as much money from Destiny's community as she can. Especially for war effort, nobody in her position would care about what Destiny did after a lot of her people died. She did appear on other communities, but never really in a way where she could constantly grift.

As a bonus, the more disposable income she grifts, the less tiny gets.
 
Ana based for taking as much money from Destiny's community as she can. Especially for war effort, nobody in her position would care about what Destiny did after a lot of her people died. She did appear on other communities, but never really in a way where she could constantly grift.

As a bonus, the more disposable income she grifts, the less tiny gets.
I'm still not convinced she isn't pocketing a potion of the money.

Corruption runs so deep in Ukraine.
 
If you want to waste some hypothetical Pxie lawyer money, you files things they have to respond to.

Also, you would think Steven's lawyer(s) would at least try to get the protected order thrown out since you wouldn't trust Steven not to say something stupid.

Also if I remember from JSLTK's streams, his reasoning seemed to be mostly around Steven is smart so of course he would have a lawyer. But Steven is not actually smart.

I don't watch his streams that much though.
 
Oh ok, so you guys seperate the answer to an complaint and the notice of appearance, we typically file them together
The strategy of generating thousands of billable hours for lawyers and paralegals in a potentially 8 figure lawsuit where the defendant admitted to the crime on video might not dissuade as many lawyers as you might think. Very much like lathering yourself in honey is not the absolute best bear repellant.
 
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