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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[the rat]

why would you want to send them elsewhere?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FUCKING BRITISH.

Like dude I get there are British people here who'd rather us all dead but I say we should hang their fucking heads for being traitors. Not a day would I regret this country being British only.

Why do I have to argue for this country to only be occupied by its natives? Are you yourself an immigrant? Seriously I don't understand it.

Basically bro I'm racist.

 

[BongoMongo]

I don't think anyone wants better racist. But it's a perfectly natural and rational reaction to the behaviour of non whites towards us, the native British population. They are entitled, violent and aggressive. You can't engage on rational terms with them partly because they're intellectually incapable of it and partly because it will always, always come down to "bro is it cos I iz black?".

No. It is not. It is because you're fucking insufferable and instead of trying to make the festering pustule you deserted better,you want to instead drag where you choose to go to down to the same levels of shit you come from.


Developed societies have welfare states. The walking boils we're letting in want to drag us down to not being a developed society so seriously what do they think will happen to their benefits payments once we get there?

 

[FedPostalService]

I‘m in an almost completely white Norf FC town visiting family and it’s so liberating being able to walk into a Greggs and express myself freely. On the downside they’re all somehow still Labour voting neighbour cattle.

I hope your all have a great weekend.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

On the downside they’re all somehow still Labour voting neighbour cattle.

Sometimes a party is real good at running their own little town or coty bad bad at running the country.

Or the other party candidates are just that retarded.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

I don't think anyone wants better racist. But it's a perfectly natural and rational reaction to the behaviour of non whites towards us, the native British population. They are entitled, violent and aggressive. You can't engage on rational terms with them partly because they're intellectually incapable of it and partly because it will always, always come down to "bro is it cos I iz black?".

No. It is not. It is because you're fucking insufferable and instead of trying to make the festering pustule you deserted better,you want to instead drag where you choose to go to down to the same levels of shit you come from.


Developed societies have welfare states. The walking boils we're letting in want to drag us down to not being a developed society so seriously what do they think will happen to their benefits payments once we get there?

They need to realise that they are racist to us, not us being racist to them.

If blacks and browns had been kind to us instead of raping, murdering, bombing, and personally blaming us for everything that has ever happened to countries we left generations ago, we would have embraced them with open arms.

 

[Lemures Primata]

I‘m in an almost completely white Norf FC town visiting family and it’s so liberating being able to walk into a Greggs and express myself freely. On the downside they’re all somehow still Labour voting neighbour cattle.

I hope your all have a great weekend.

I'm also in a 99.9% white Norf FC village for the weekend. Crazy how a 30 minute train ride from almost any 50% brown city takes you straight into the shire. The contrast really is shocking, and you can see it gradually getting better with every train stop.

Stop 1: New build hell, many browns

Stop 2: New build hell, grimy, medium browns

Stop 3: Small amount of new build hell, few browns

Stop 4 and onwards: Rolling green hills, Pastoral Constable-esque countryside, 99.9% White, Traditional stone houses

The point is a MASSIVE influx of non natives changes anywhere. It’s not good no matter who it is. It’s not even really about skin colour, it’s about too many people in too short a time.

This is often overlooked by many of the more mainstream right-wing voices here in the UK. Yes, race and ethnicity is a large part of the issue, but the sheer population increase, of any race, is also another huge aspect of the problem. Our cities aren't built for the current population we have, even if it's 100% white British.

It shouldn't be the case that absolutely every city centre is so rammed every single day that it's almost un-walkable and has the population density of Delhi.

Even if Reform get elected, by then we will have imported another couple of million browns, along with the population rise from people already here. Also, it seems Reform's only real aim is to reduce immigration, rather than stop it completely or to start deportations, so then we'll still be importing a few hundred thousand ever year anyway.

The only possible outcome to this situation is that our countryside is infringed upon even further to make way for some lovely new-build estates!

Where's King Arthur when you need him?

 

[FedPostalService]

This is often overlooked by many of the more mainstream right-wing voices here in the UK. Yes, race and ethnicity is a large part of the issue, but the sheer population increase, of any race, is also another huge aspect of the problem. Our cities aren't built for the current population we have, even if it's 100% white British.

It shouldn't be the case that absolutely every city centre is so rammed every single day that it's almost un-walkable and has the population density of Delhi.

Even if Reform get elected, by then we will have imported another couple of million browns, along with the population rise from people already here. Also, it seems Reform's only real aim is to reduce immigration, rather than stop it completely or to start deportations, so then we'll still be importing a few hundred thousand ever year anyway.

The only possible outcome to this situation is that our countryside is infringed upon even further to make way for some lovely new-build estates!

Where's King Arthur when you need him?

Stop giving them freebies and they’ll start leaving. The hot ones we can breed with until they’re pale a few generations later. Problem solved.

 

[Tretyakovskaya156]

Stop giving them freebies and they’ll start leaving. The hot ones we can breed with until they’re pale a few generations later. Problem solved.

First part yes, second part no

 

[Otterly]

Is there any method that might make people self deport? The only thing i can think of is removal of benefits

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Is there any method that might make people self deport? The only thing i can think of is removal of benefits

I doubt that would work. Woukd you willingly go to any of the countries that they're from? Even if you had zero cash.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Is there any method that might make people self deport? The only thing i can think of is removal of benefits

Insane rambling time.

Make naturalisation harder, prohibit dual nationality* and require new citizens to surrender their former nationality.

If you want to join and remain within the United Kingdom, that's all well and good. But that means joining the country. No "Muh European rights", no "I was born here but I'm also three other nationalities".

This won't prevent short term low skilled labour, but it will make them think twice about staying. Some groups like the Romanians retain generational loyalties that ultimately prevent cultural naturalisation. Either you accept and adapt to British culture, or you return to the fatherland. Multiculturalism does not work.

To encourage people to adapt, both benefits and permanent residency must be tied to citizenship. No NHS, no Universal Credit for non citizens. No permanent residency for non citizens either. Like Israel and to a lesser extent Japan, you can be a skilled worker for decades and raise a family there but the moment you stop working it doesn't matter how long you where there, its time to go home. (There is no route for non-Jews to naturalise as Israeli except in the case of marriage, while in Japan you must renounce all other nationalities, and that's only if you meet a very exacting list of other criteria).

Long term or multi generational residency for non citizens needs to stop. Not because they don't put anything into the system, but because there needs be a fundamental realignment and understanding of what the British state is for; the governance and furtherment of the interests of the British people, and the British people only. Wonderful if what Britain does helps others as a side effect, but never the main intention.

The greatest challenges are twofold. There are British citizens who hold no other nationality who are not British by culture, and there is a question of what behaviours are acceptable within British culture. Some will be easily agreed, others much harder. I see the likes of Zia Yusuf and I can see you can be a Muslim migrants child and yet also be very British and exceptionally well assimilated. I know many posters on this forum would not accept the idea you can be both Muslim and British.

The sole nationals may try to obtain another nationality as a route to leave, the easy road. Otherwise we are going to have a portion of society that will need to be, either by carrot or stick, assimilated. I don't know if that could be achieved by breaking up enclaves in areas where they reside in social housing, or by offering financial incentives and other indirect rewards for practicing desired behaviours (e.g: no VAT applied to food served in pubs to support the real village community centers).

This is not well thought out or polished. Feel free to label me autistic.

*There may need to be some very limited exceptions to a ban on dual nationality. Some British Overseas Territories and particuarly The Channel Islands have their own sub-nationalities and passports. The messiest will be Irish/British. Because of the Good Friday agreement people of Northern Ireland can select which nationality to be (or even to be both British and Irish) with no distinction made between them in regards to voting or benefits. Any change in this area would almost certainly immediately start a crisis over control of Northern Ireland.

Who cares you ask? At the moment the population has far, far more in common with the Irish Republic than it does with the UK, in no small part because of a desire to be within the EU which the Northern Irish overwhelmingly voted to remain part of. Getting strict on them could see losing Northern Ireland.

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

Is there any method that might make people self deport? The only thing i can think of is removal of benefits

Free health care should only be for actual natives. I feel like making immigrants etc pay for it instead of allowing them to have infinity kids for free and endless care for chronic conditions that don't even affect native British people (because we don't live in our own filth and drink water tainted by everything under the sun).
I did try and post this earlier but the site died and I couldn't get back on until now.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Is there any method that might make people self deport? The only thing i can think of is removal of benefits

Mandatory sausage and bacon rations, including beef. That will remove the indians, jewish, jamiacans and muslims in one go.

Muslim and British.

Britian is a Protestant/Catholic/Christian nation. Never has it been islamic in its history and therefore, no, you cannot be both muslim and British.

Free health care should only be for actual natives

Other nations do this. The citizens and natives get free/subsidised healthcare while non-citizens have to pay.

The NHS was founded on the idea that the citizens pay a small sum each month, which collectively forms enough cash to fund the healthcare whenever a citizen requires medical help. That foreigners can come here and not pay and then use the NHS, goes against the foundational ideology of the NHS; to keep the citizens strong and healthy.

I wouldn't stop at deportations and to save the country, we must remove all dregs of society. To me, a muzzie brownoid is the same level of disgusting filth as a chavvy crackhead and the latter should be removed from society with the same extreme prejudice as the wogs, pakis and ghuptas.

 

[FedPostalService]

Britian is a Protestant

Reject modernity. Return to Rome.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Reject modernity. Return to Rome.

I don't know what the difference is between them. They all seem to love Jesus, but hate one another.

 

[Jinn in the phone]

This is often overlooked by many of the more mainstream right-wing voices here in the UK. Yes, race and ethnicity is a large part of the issue, but the sheer population increase, of any race, is also another huge aspect of the problem. Our cities aren't built for the current population we have, even if it's 100% white British.

It shouldn't be the case that absolutely every city centre is so rammed every single day that it's almost un-walkable and has the population density of Delhi.

Even if Reform get elected, by then we will have imported another couple of million browns, along with the population rise from people already here. Also, it seems Reform's only real aim is to reduce immigration, rather than stop it completely or to start deportations, so then we'll still be importing a few hundred thousand ever year anyway.

The only possible outcome to this situation is that our countryside is infringed upon even further to make way for some lovely new-build estates!

Where's King Arthur when you need him?

I'm not bri'ish but beyond my racism this probably the actual number 1 reason I hate immigration. Just more and more people stuffed in the same place, using the same foundational infrastructure that hasn't expanded or even has contracted. I understand capitalism shits the bed without endless growth but I'd be fine with a couple generations of negative population growth if the reality was a +90% white population and zero immigration, even with the consequences. Theres too many people in the world and I hate the concrete jungle and endless cars.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

I don't know what the difference is between them. They all seem to love Jesus, but hate one another.

COE is gayer and shitter.

 

[Lemures Primata]

Zelensky has flown straight to London after the disaster yesterday. Everyone step aside, for Mr. Charisma (Queer Starmer), and allow him to work his magic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn5220x56pqt

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Britian is a Protestant/Catholic/Christian nation. Never has it been islamic in its history and therefore, no, you cannot be both muslim and British.

I know what you're saying, but I can also see someone quite accurately pointing out that until as recently as the 90s in parts of the UK Catholicism was very much not tolerated and it was widely deemed impossible to be both Catholic and properly British.

The Orangemen and Scottish Protestants have only calmed down slightly Catholics only because they've got bigger problems, and it was as recent as this decade some people were upset about the future Queen Camilla being a Catholic.

Britain should not be Islamic, but many people can and do put their nation above their religion; or as we can see with some they see no real conflict to start with a more westernised mindset. Likewise, there's similarly no issue with being a Jew and an exemplary British man or woman as well.

I'm not going to make any pretense something like Wahhabism is compatible with Britsh culture, it really isn't. But by the same way Catholics who actually do practice what they preach and work to reduce acess to contraception and refuse to issue marriage licences to divorcees and gays would be fundamentally incompatible with the native culture too.

I really dislike religion. If I had the power I'd actively work to dismantle them but my own bias aside there are the lukewarm and cultural religious who aren't the problem here.

Most people are not devout conservative Christians or Antitheists either, so any push to force one or the other is going to lead to mass resistence. It's not worth picking a fight on what the majority of Brits have always done. That is essentialy be Christian in name only, apathetic to matters of faith and attend for christenings, marriage and funerals. This is the attitude most of them take to faith, so its in line with the idea of "What brits actually do".

Unless they're actually doing something beyond toleration or harmful to the wider culture the guy who speaks the local dialect, works and pays for his own children but also happens to have a different prayer routine isn't an issue.

I would be delighted to see a state sponsored effort to discourage religiosity, but I'm not the wider culture and most Brits probably aren't clamoring for the historical enforced mandatory CoE attendance again either. Don't fight over what colour to paint the front door when the rest of the house is on fire.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

I know what you're saying, but I can also see someone quite accurately pointing out that until as recently as the 90s in parts of the UK Catholicism was very much not tolerated and it was widely deemed impossible to be both Catholic and properly British.

The Orangemen and Scottish Protestants have only calmed down slightly about Catholics mostly only because they've got bigger problems, and it was as recent as this decade some people were upset about the future Queen Camilla being a Catholic.

Britain should not be Islamic, but many people can and do put their nation above their religion; or as we can see with some they see no real conflict to start with a more westernised mindset. Likewise, there's similarly no issue with being a Jew and an exemplary British man or woman as well.

No, sorry Karen but that's a completely retarded take. One is an internal schism of a age old religion of the country, one is a foreign, invasive religion of an age old enemy...For, err, for clarities sake, Islam is the second one. Not the first.