Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Feline Supremacist]

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lmao Vance is a jarhead he'd rekt the cokehead

 

[mr_negativity]

I manage to avoid reading the Ukrainian war thread on the farms for years because in any war jack shit manages to happen over many years and it's not worth the time reading or getting emotionally invested in. Coming in dry. I didn't pay any attention to Zelensky for all the 4 years this has been going on and having been actually watching him for the first time here's my impression.

His dress, or lack thereof.... Some dipshit propagandist has told him to dress like Steve Jobs, adopting a monochrome minimalist wardrobe because people eat up words when the person is dressed in a shirt without buttons all the way down the front or a traditional collar.

Lefties have completely fallen for that shit and are fawning over him stating that he is wearing a "military uniform". Real military uniforms, both dress and combat are designed for particular purposes. Ceremonial uniforms are designed to bring respect the military branch they represent and to present rank to the wearer of the uniform. Non dress military uniforms are designed for functionality, yet retain some formality. They are typically completely button downed, collared and have many pockets. The left have associated "military unform" with monochrome clothing and left it at that.

Zelensky's professional appearance would be substandard within entire military he is commander in chief of.

I'm a nobody. My job dictates I wear a uniform. My uniform is of a higher aesthetic and functional design that the polo shirt and pants Zelensky wore to the Oval Office. My employer in a shit job holds me to a higher aesthetic standard of appearance than Zelensky holds to himself, yet somehow Zelensky has been able to extort hundreds of billions of dollars from heads of state wearing a track suit that could be produced from the Fruit of the Loom/Hanes and sold at Walmart as if this somehow makes him humble.

How many people wearing suit's have you encountered begged you for money vs someone wearing all cotton?

The phrase "The clothes make the man" is a historical truth. In any other century, if a man wants to be addressed as an equal among kings, He'd at least dress like a Lord. 100 years from now, and 100 years in the past you can take a photo of Zelensky vs Trump and Vance in the oval office and ask who is the weakest man and they are going to respond Zelensky based upon dress alone.

In the bible, there is the parable of the wedding garments. The king invites you to his wedding. You'd better dress appropriately and play the part expected of you or expect to be cast out facing the wailing of tongues and gnashing of teeth.

People are comparing Zelensky to Churchill. Look again... Churchill's informality is that his coat has a zipper instead of buttons. It's still got a collar, pockets, and a belt. It is still downright formal looking compared to Zalenski's getup . In no way did Churchill appear in a polo shirt or a jogging suit.

Yeah, I'm sperging hard about Zelenski's apparel. Only in the most postmodern fever dream could a leader/hero appear in public wearing a set of pajamas and be an equal to the great kings. That's exactly the lie that is being sold.

 

[Male Idiot]

Lefties have completely fallen for that shit and are fawning over him stating that he is wearing a "military uniform". Real military uniforms, both dress and combat are designed for particular purposes. Ceremonial uniforms are designed to bring respect the military branch they represent and to present rank to the wearer of the uniform. Non dress military uniforms are designed for functionality, yet retain some formality. They are typically completely button downed, collared and have many pockets. The left have associated "military unform" with monochrome clothing and left it at that.

I can see why he wanted to larp in some... nondescript military hoodie. But there is always a time and place. If your negotiation partner asks for a suit, you get a suit. It is a different occasion than a photoshoot for Azov. Trump wore a Mcdonalds outfit for his stunt in Mcdonalds. He didn't wear that to his taking of office ceremony.

Imagine if Trump showed up to an EU meeting in Mcdonalds getup, when asked directly not to. That's just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

 

[Bogdandoff]

What is Zaluzhny's relationship with Trump like? He wants to prolong the war and is Zelensky's political rival.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[RisingPhoenix]

I can see why he wanted to larp in some... nondescript military hoodie. But there is always a time and place. If your negotiation partner asks for a suit, you get a suit. It is a different occasion than a photoshoot for Azov. Trump wore a Mcdonalds outfit for his stunt in Mcdonalds. He didn't wear that to his taking of office ceremony.

Imagine if Trump showed up to an EU meeting in Mcdonalds getup, when asked directly not to. That's just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Echoing @mr_negativity - it's a standard expectation at many jobs, in fact we've recently had to get stricter on clothing policy because apparently people have forgotten how to dress for the workplace after 2-3 years of work from home.

My place isn't even *that* strict. You can wear casual - but our rules are basically nothing political, don't dress like your going to the damn club or planet fitness & be slutty on your own time. But we still get people dressing inappropriately to the point we're now being told we have to send them home ASAP if they break code.

It's hard to ingrain that in people if world leaders won't set the example as well.

In thread related news Z is in 10 Downing with Starmer rn. I guess we'll see how hard Starmers gonna suck his cock to impress his European mates shortly

 

[Feline Supremacist]

IT'S FUCKING OVER FOR HOHOLSTAN

US WILL NO LONG SEND MILITARY AID TO THE UKRAINE


LINK

 

[The giant penis of doom]

is tyranny of the stupid and degenerate.

Degenerate sure, but the tyrants are not stupid. Their stooges might be (just look at Kaja Kallas, holy shit that woman is retarded), but the actual movers are far from dumb. I know you meant the population, but with mass media brainwashing, are the plebs truly in power?

The Minsk agreement could have easily been the best political win for Zelensky. But he wanted to play "hero".

Did you miss the part where he was reminded to stay on script? Z-man is a shit person, but he does not make the decisions. He is just a corrupt actor.

he was a popular comedian over there who won fair and square against Poroshenko

Did he, though? He had insane support from certain rich people, and sure, it is possible it was all an inside job, but with Nuland involved in Maidan I highly doubt they just let things go on their natural, corrupt way. He literally acted in a show as president. He was a project of some rich people, and as I implied, I doubt it was Ukrainian initiative that gave him the support.

 

[warhammerautist]

There are 2 reasons the U.S. won't help Ukraine.

Reason 1) The Americans already signed a mineral deal with the Russians, having the Ukrainians also offer it to them would work as well. However, if both countries are offering 500 billion dollars to the U.S. they don't see the point to throw in any additional money to fund Ukraine's war because they get a bigger return in investment back from the Russians. In other words, Zelensky is not requesting Trump or any of his officials of what he is willing to give up that would counteroffer what the Russians would give to the Americans. I mean if a country is giving you 500 billion dollars but wants 50 billion in aid and the other country is offering 500 billion dollars but wants nothing in return it would make sense who the Trump administration would pick.

Reason 2) Ukraine's manpower is inefficient regardless of what support their country receives and Trump and Vance have said this more than once on multiple occasions. The reason they are telling you to hurry the fuck up is that you still have a region worth trillion dollars and other multiple regions worth billions of dollars and future peace deals will offer bigger demands that won't support you. The reason Trump has said multiple times you won't join NATO and they won't put their boots on the ground is because the results would be more catastrophic for them to help you, than what they will get in return for helping you.

Pro-Ukraine users will choose reason 1, Pro-Russian users will choose reason 2. Now the reasons Zelensky is stalling or waiting so long is that

1. he already made private deals with Europeans(which is why they are still so supportive) that the US does not know about regarding their minerals that the US wants, but he won't admit it.

2. He knows he can't win the war in the end regardless of the support he receives so he is trying to enrich himself as much as possible from the aid he is receiving while still trying to make future profits with whatever he has left with Azov still in power after the war like selling minerals with investors from the west.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Trump is right Ukraine is not in the place to negotiate and all the options before it are not good (Russia's a larger nuclear state with a massive army, a willing population and men to spare, Ukraine won't even to a mass mobilization and furthermore Zelenski isn't that popular at home. and Ukrainian men are dying at an unreplaceable rate).
However today's shit show is 50/50 on vance and Zelenski. Vance should have kept his mouth shut and let trump do the talking. Vance thinks he's smart when he's really not. Vance should not have engaged after Zelenski's response . And Zelenski should have kept his mouth shut when vance brought up the diplomacy thing. What Zelenski was saying was true, but a simple "Who knows what the future will hold" or some "non answer" would have been fine. Fuck he could have just kept his mouth closed.

Regardless this spat should have been behind closed doors and vance should be a short as fuck leash

Donnie had Vance there for that specific reason. He wanted to bring Zelensky to heel in front of the whole world.

Zelensky's problem is that he never gets push back. He shows up anywhere in the world, rattling his change cup like a bum, and everyone lines up to suck him off.

 

[Chapalapachapa]

i wonder if putler will now bring the hurt to ukraiiineeeeyee or things will remain the same

 

[Sneed Lurker]

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You forgot
>watching your once peaceful community getting overrun by niggers, mudslimes, and foreigners that will become the "new Ukrainians" after the massive loss of people in the war

 

[Male Idiot]

Ok, I did not expect Farseer Macha to show up in this Mon'keigh business with her anime inspired face kitty markings.

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

I will say that US completely pulling support gives the eu an excuse to completely militarize.

With what? With who? Abdul isn't fighting for the EU lmao

 

[Betonhaus]

Wo when do we see this diplomatic fall out have visible effects on the front?

 

[Athena Save Us!]

2. He knows he can't win the war in the end regardless of the support he receives so he is trying to enrich himself as much as possible from the aid he is receiving while still trying to make future profits with whatever he has left with Azov still in power after the war like selling minerals with investors from the west.

This is definitely true. Zelensky is in full grift mode so he can walk away with something after Putin has totally humiliated him. This was a dumb war for him to have provoked (despite his insistence that Putin attacked without provocation) and the grand we'll-take-down-Russia conspiracy he concocted with other Western powers was beyond retarded.

You forgot
>watching your once peaceful community getting overrun by niggers, mudslimes, and foreigners that will become the "new Ukrainians" after the massive loss of people in the war

How many Ukrainian communities were peaceful even before Russia's invasion?

Spoiler: Political Sperging

 

[warhammerautist]

 

[ForTheHoard]

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I can't tell if this is NATO panicking or finally coming to their senses. Maybe both, probably not.

 

[Angelos32]

So this is the thing actually, having an armed force made of primarily Arab immigrants actually would be a smart move if the eu’s goal is to oppress the native European population. Putting refugees in power means they would have complete loyalty I would assume and would follow the globohomo elites in lockstep.

 

[Fapcop]

What is Zaluzhny's relationship with Trump like? He wants to prolong the war and is Zelensky's political rival.

Don’t think they have much of a relationship.

The Brits have been grooming him hard though, and that’s hopefully enough of a red flag for Trump to nope right the F out when the Brits start sperging about what “a great leader” he is, and how much support Zaluzhny has.