Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Rome's rightful successor]

Is Zelensky actually a retard? What the fuck did he expect to happen, Trump to just bow down and give him nukes or something?
This retarded faggot may have just doomed his country, all so he could feel like a big man on the world stage.

He is a glory hound with main character syndrome that doesn't care about if his actions destroy his country. The Ukrainian people are replaceable and disposable to him.

Actually, that's a good time to remind everyone previous failed deals.

Minsk deal.

• Crimea is Russia.
• Rebel regions gain small autonomy.
• Ceasefire.
• No NATO
• You can join EU all you want.

The irony is that had he ignore psychotic britbong man and signed the Minsk agreement, he could have easily used it as a means to say he won the war. The Russian Army failed to take Kiev, kinda humiliating of them like having egg on your face. and gave them an easy treaty they can't enforce. Being in the EU vs being in Nato isn't really all that different save for not having US troops deployed. The Minsk agreement could have easily been the best political win for Zelensky. But he wanted to play "hero".

Istanbul deal.

• Crimea is Russia.
• Rebel regions are Russia.
• Cut army to 40k men
• No NATO
• No EU
• No nazi shit
• No oppression of russian population

Current deal

• Crimea is Russia.
• Rebel regions are Russia.
• Two more regions are Russia.
• Cut army to 40k men
• No NATO
• No EU
• No nazi shit
• No oppression of russian population

Next deal

• No Ukraine.

Honestly the Russians are being way to nice here seeing what they had to put up with these past 3 years.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Page 1945, perfect time for Z man to be getting fucked by both east and west!

 

[Average Russian Spy]

Holy shit! Just getting back from work and I see Trump pulled the kill switch. He and JD berating Agent Z on live television while he crosses his arms, squirms and makes retarded pouty faces while demanding boots on the ground.

I was wondering what the hell everyone was going on about, but this is just too fucking funny. Great work, Agent Z, you entered another man's house making demands and got kicked out for it, quite literally, in fact.

 

[Jimjam the zimzam]

He is a glory hound with main character syndrome that doesn't care about if his actions destroy his country. The Ukrainian people are replaceable and disposable to him.

The irony is that had he ignore psychotic britbong man and signed the Minsk agreement, he could have easily used it as a means to say he won the war. The Russian Army failed to take Kiev, kinda humiliating of them like having egg on your face. and gave them an easy treaty they can't enforce. Being in the EU vs being in Nato isn't really all that different save for not having US troops deployed. The Minsk agreement could have easily been the best political win for Zelensky. But he wanted to play "hero".

Honestly the Russians are being way to nice here seeing what they had to put up with these past 3 years.

your timeline on the agreements is off. the minsk agreements were pre-2022, when the fighting was just in the Donbass. Ukraine actually agreed to the Minsk agreements, but turned around and violated them at every opportunity. the constant treaty violations and NATO also violating the treaty by continuing to work with Ukraine to arm and train their forces is what led to Russia starting the invasion. The Istanbul agreement was immediately after the start of the invasion, when Russian troops rolled over the border and Jewlensky fled kiev to avoid getting captured and forced to surrender. That was the agreement that Boorish Jewson intervened in and coerced jewlensky to reject it, and now 3 years later here we are.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

>Check thread after work
>20+ new unread pages in a few hours...wtf happened?
>See the clips

Oh...oh my

This just goes to show by the way how much of an ass licking Z man has been getting from western media for the last 3 years. Of all the interviews he gave, it would have taken one or two difficult questions for him to completely implode and show how much of a coked out retard he is.

Can someone catch me up on the coke stuff?

 

[warhammerautist]

Zelensky did not even attempt to discuss to either Trump or Vance that an increase in weapons and support will get Russians out of their territory due to the fact that Trump and Vance will give him the answer that would crush the general western public's support for Ukraine. No Politician, New's media outlet, some big shot Ukraine twitter user wanted to engage any of J.D. Vance's Twitter posts which were referring to Europe's situation and Ukraine's lack of bodies and I do know those posts of his got like over 10s of millions of views with a counter argument because his response would crush the western public's support for Ukraine if he was to give a further explanation for it. If anything, Zelensky is lucky that neither Trump or Vance went straight for his throat for them to explain why it would be impossible for them to win the war with Russia if they were going to support Ukraine with funding because the answer would be something along the lines of they would get wiped out at the rate they are fighting in the war that would not result in a victory which is the reason why they are telling you to make a peace deal.

Has Europe ever explained how much money or support is actually required for Ukraine to win? Their only answers are begging the Americans to get into the war assisting their peacekeepers which basically means admitting that Ukraine can't get the job done keeping the Russians out anymore. So as of now we are going to continue watching the Russian's push west and wait on further actions from Europe which as of now is cheering for Ukraine. Europe is probably going to watch Ukraine get fucked in the ass long enough for Europe to take advantage over whatever is left of Ukraine, at least the west of it. Because Europeans might assume that Ukraine will give up if Russians touch Kiev while they still can fuck over Ukraine next demanding for their minerals (as cash back for their support) or what's left of it from the west.

 

[kuuu]

PLEASE RUSSIAN AI WIZARDS! Give me a video where Vance is standing with a lightsaber in front of Z kneeling on the floor, and Trump goes “DO IT!”

Meanwhile have this.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

He is a glory hound with main character syndrome that doesn't care about if his actions destroy his country. The Ukrainian people are replaceable and disposable to him.

Sorry sweetie, the good guys won in Harry Potter and The Avengers. Reliable journalists say that Zelensky is the real world Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker, so of course he'll win no matter how much Darth Drumpfler and Putinmort try and stop him.

Has Europe ever explained how much money or support is actually required for Ukraine to win? Their only answers are begging the Americans to get into the war assisting their peacekeepers which basically means admitting that Ukraine can't get the job done keeping the Russians out anymore. So as of now we are going to continue watching the Russian's push west and wait on further actions from Europe which as of now is cheering for Ukraine. Europe is probably going to watch Ukraine get fucked in the ass long enough for Europe to take advantage over whatever is left of Ukraine, at least the west of it. Because Europeans might assume that Ukraine will give up if Russians touch Kiev while they still can fuck over Ukraine next demanding for their minerals (as cash back for their support) or what's left of it from the west.

When are they going to do the general deportation of Ukrops from the EU? I'd have thought they'd already done that by now since the EU is going bankrupt and Ukrop refugees are a little too light-skinned than the EU's preferred sort.

Deporting all male hohols might give the Ukraine another year or two. All the hohol sows maybe another year, since Zelensky demands every last one of his subjects die for him.

 

[Jump]

Who are these guys in the peanut gallery?


Also, I feel bad for Lil'Marco here. He's been getting shit done racking up W's left and right for this admin. This deal was supposed to be a simple thing that was in the bag. And then this cokehead shows up and blows the whole thing.

 

[The Homelander]

I'm not totally geopolitically literate so forgive me if this sounds retarded, but I have a few questions. I would consult Google ordinarily but this issue is heavily polluted with ZOG and so I know I wont get straight answers elsewhere. With that said, here's what I'm wondering:

1) What does Russia even want with Ukraine? According to the MSM Putin is just deranged and evil, which I find hard to completely believe. At the same time I see a lot of people in this thread rimming Russia, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're in this for anything but land or some bullshit historical claim or, god forbid "de-nazification". Is there even a "good guy" here?

2) How come the deal fell through? Was it really Zelenskyy's tone that put Trump off that much, or was there another dispute? Because as far as I can parse the deal is U.S. access to REMs in exchange for troops and support. Is Ukraine demanding support without concessions, or is Trump being iffy on holding up his end of the bargain? Or maybe its something even more gay like a dispute over the specified (i.e. you can't have this particular mine, we want x technology)?

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

I'm not totally geopolitically literate so forgive me if this sounds retarded, but I have a few questions. I would consult Google ordinarily but this issue is heavily polluted with ZOG and so I know I wont get straight answers elsewhere. With that said, here's what I'm wondering:

1) What does Russia even want with Ukraine? According to the MSM Putin is just deranged and evil, which I find hard to completely believe. At the same time I see a lot of people in this thread rimming Russia, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're in this for anything but land or some bullshit historical claim or, god forbid "de-nazification". Is there even a "good guy" here?

2) How come the deal fell through? Was it really Zelenskyy's tone that put Trump off that much, or was there another dispute? Because as far as I can parse the deal is U.S. access to REMs in exchange for troops and support. Is Ukraine demanding support without concessions, or is Trump being iffy on holding up his end of the bargain? Or maybe its something even more gay like a dispute over the specified (i.e. you can't have this particular mine, we want x technology)?

Russia is made of a number of republics and people. The collapse of USSR did a number on the integrity of the Russian borders and they are still struggling to maintain them to this day.

Ukraine was and remains the most important region within the sphere of Russian influence. It offers easy access to the black sea. Crimea is strategically important naval port and it is also one of the most Russian part of Ukraine.

Luhansk Donetsk is similar in that it is also largely populated by Russian ethnicity. It is however hard to distinguish Ukrainian and Russian counterparts in the same way it is hard to distinguish English and Scottish. It's basically the same people.

Imagine if some motherfucker foreign powers promised security guarantees in Scotland, Canada, or even Ireland. And they are not your friends.

You'd go ape shit.

USA will snap into annexing Canada like tomorrow. England will likewise do the same.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

1) What does Russia even want with Ukraine?

A neutral buffer state, basically. Ukraine in NATO potentially puts hostile assets way too close to key places like Moscow for Russia to accept. For a burger-compatible analogy, think why we didn't want Soviet missiles in Cuba.

According to the MSM Putin is just deranged and evil, which I find hard to completely believe. At the same time I see a lot of people in this thread rimming Russia, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're in this for anything but land or some bullshit historical claim

Not how things work in this part of the world, slavs collect ethnic vendettas like they're Pokémon cards. Also, Crimea, Odessa, and the Donbas were transferred to the Ukrainian SSR under Kruschchev despite being majority ethnic Russian. So this is a claim stronger than Elizabeth Warren giving a land acknowledgement (for my part id argue that Russia gave up the claim with the Budapest Memorandum, but the man in the Kremlin disagrees.) There is no "good guy," it's literally a border war.

2) How come the deal fell through? Was it really Zelenskyy's tone that put Trump off that much, or was there another dispute? Because as far as I can parse the deal is U.S. access to REMs in exchange for troops and support. Is Ukraine demanding support without concessions, or is Trump being iffy on holding up his end of the bargain? Or maybe its something even more gay like a dispute over the specified (i.e. you can't have this particular mine, we want x technology)?

Zelensky couldn't help but try to relitigate the question of security guarantees (which aren't on the table) and everything went downhill from there. Trump actually summarized it pretty well: it's become clear that the US and Ukraine are on two different wavelengths, with the former hoping to negotiate a speedy end to the war and the latter holding onto a forlorn hope of somehow winning it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

First сука блять ever spoken in the Oval Office;

It's spoken by a coked-up hohol begging for money.

 

[Jump]

I'm not totally geopolitically literate so forgive me if this sounds retarded, but I have a few questions. I would consult Google ordinarily but this issue is heavily polluted with ZOG and so I know I wont get straight answers elsewhere. With that said, here's what I'm wondering:

1) What does Russia even want with Ukraine? According to the MSM Putin is just deranged and evil, which I find hard to completely believe. At the same time I see a lot of people in this thread rimming Russia, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're in this for anything but land or some bullshit historical claim or, god forbid "de-nazification". Is there even a "good guy" here?

2) How come the deal fell through? Was it really Zelenskyy's tone that put Trump off that much, or was there another dispute? Because as far as I can parse the deal is U.S. access to REMs in exchange for troops and support. Is Ukraine demanding support without concessions, or is Trump being iffy on holding up his end of the bargain? Or maybe its something even more gay like a dispute over the specified (i.e. you can't have this particular mine, we want x technology)?

1) Imagine if Russia decided it was going to put military bases and nukes back in Cuba. How would the US react? Would they be evil for going in and removing them? Russia has been sitting back since the fall of the USSR letting NATO get closer and closer until its right on it's doorstep. Then NATO decided to start doing military exercises in Ukraine. You can only get away with poking a sleeping bear for so long. Also its not really bullshit historical reasons. Ukraine was part of Russia until 1991. This isn't some abstract historical thing like a state in Rome, it was in my lifetime. The people in the Donbas part of Ukraine are basically russians. They speak Russian. And they where being shelled by Kiev. There is no such thing as "Good guys" and "Bad guys". The world isn't a comic book.


2) US Troops on the ground where never part of the deal. But Zman refuses to accept that so he had the bright idea to try and push the issue in public. Even after this shitshow he keeps rambling about "Security Guarantees". The USA has zero will for another pointless war.

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

I'm not totally geopolitically literate so forgive me if this sounds retarded, but I have a few questions. I would consult Google ordinarily but this issue is heavily polluted with ZOG and so I know I wont get straight answers elsewhere. With that said, here's what I'm wondering:

1) What does Russia even want with Ukraine? According to the MSM Putin is just deranged and evil, which I find hard to completely believe. At the same time I see a lot of people in this thread rimming Russia, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're in this for anything but land or some bullshit historical claim or, god forbid "de-nazification". Is there even a "good guy" here?

2) How come the deal fell through? Was it really Zelenskyy's tone that put Trump off that much, or was there another dispute? Because as far as I can parse the deal is U.S. access to REMs in exchange for troops and support. Is Ukraine demanding support without concessions, or is Trump being iffy on holding up his end of the bargain? Or maybe its something even more gay like a dispute over the specified (i.e. you can't have this particular mine, we want x technology)?

1: After the West overthrew the government of Ukraine in 2014 all they wanted was for Ukraine to stop treating its Russian population like 2nd class citizens, to observe the Minsk Treaty and to stay neutral. Before 2022 it was Russia's largest European neighbor and had it joined NATO it would have had the 2nd largest army of the entire alliance, so unlike chihuahuas like the Baltics or Finland it joining and turning into a giant missile silo would have been a major threat *especially* since the post 2014 government is made up of batshit crazy ideologues who would sacrifice the human race just to destroy Russia.
After 3 years of war Russia now wants Ukraine to cede 4 oblasts and recognize them as Russian to prevent a future war, to replace its entire government to prevent a future war, to make the Banderite movement illegal and prosecute its leaders to prevent a future war and to keep Ukraine out of NATO and the EU.

2: It fell through because Zelensky was furious that Trump wanted the deal to be about paying America back for the money they spent when Zelensky wanted it to involve having NATO send troops to Ukraine in the hope that either it would allow them to freeze the conflict, or should that fail have the world burn in nuclear fire to prevent a Russian victory.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

First сука блять ever spoken in the Oval Office;
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It's spoken by a coked-up hohol begging for money.

Why did that cokehead even bother showing up to this meeting if all he was going to do was be a flippant piece of shit? Too big for his britches, I guess?

 

[Betonhaus]

>Check thread after work
>20+ new unread pages in a few hours...wtf happened?
>See the clips

Oh...oh my

This just goes to show by the way how much of an ass licking Z man has been getting from western media for the last 3 years. Of all the interviews he gave, it would have taken one or two difficult questions for him to completely implode and show how much of a coked out retard he is.

How much of that is him being such a narcissistic asshole that everyone else is too soy to say no to him?

Call me pessimistic but I don't think the war will be over this year. I hope I'm wrong and that I'm overestimating Ukraine's ability to go on, but I personally predict this year we will just see several more Avdiivka style local level collapses and the liberation of the Donbass.
It'll only be around next year I think we'll start to see the return of big arrow offensives and manuever warfare. But still if the regime in Kiev doesn't fold then there will be a good chance it will continue until 2027 and only end when Russia mops up Galicia.

That would only happen if Europe basically throws everything they have into the war only for it to be blown up and then finding themselves so toothless that Somali pirates could take over their nations.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

Ukrainian false-flag attack soon?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

US Troops on the ground where never part of the deal. But Zman refuses to accept that so he had the bright idea to try and push the issue in public. Even after this shitshow he keeps rambling about "Security Guarantees". The USA has zero will for another pointless war.

I'm going to make a guess and say this was pushed by Starmer and Macron, and/or Von der Leyen as they've been talking big about sending "peacekeepers" but without the US it's an empty gesture. Trump must have faced a lot of pressure from the former to commit to sending troops and shut it down so they encouraged Zyyliinsky to pull this stunt. Trump and Vance seemed to have anticipated it and turned it around.

Rubio looks very pissed off. That little Cuban is going to carry a grudge that will make the hohol-vatnik feud look like a lover's quarrel.

 

[Betonhaus]

Sorry sweetie, the good guys won in Harry Potter and The Avengers. Reliable journalists say that Zelensky is the real world Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker, so of course he'll win no matter how much Darth Drumpfler and Putinmort try and stop him

Of course ignoring the fact that the bad guys firmly believed they were good and would refuse to even consider it, unlike the good guys who had to struggle with moral grey zones.