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Bob Barbas said:
What's the point of playing as a fucking furry faggot if people are just gonna treat me the same as if I picked an Imperial? Where's the guy that's like "Hey you fucking walking carpet get the fuck out of my village!" you know? It's shit like that, that bothers me. I wouldn't even care if the game didn't show non-player beastfolk getting racism'd on but yet it almost never happens to the player.
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The only thing I can think of are combat barks like “You’ll make a fine rug, cat”. But it’s not like there’s all that much to those.
 
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Holy shit lmfao
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Tri-Tachyon'sClown said:
...Is that Beyond Reach? Holy fucking shit no wonder I see plebbitors shit on it.
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It seriously tackles a lot of fucked up issues and has the audacity to treat both sides as having merit, which is a big no-no. Racism bad, but racism also meaningful. It doesn't come from nowhere. The fact that BR presents racist characters as real people and not demons wearing human skin is unacceptable to your average redditor, I'm sure.

The line I posted is in response to a public speech by an Orc trying to negotiate peace between his people and the Bretons. A line that comes shortly after is calling him out for petitioning for peace while his countrymen rape and pillage their way through High Rock (the mod takes place just past the border into High Rock, you can even see the Adamantium Tower if you go far enough West). I mean "rape and pillage" literally: there's a quest where you save a captive the Orc terrorists had captured and you have to stop her from killing herself because she doesn't want an Orcish bun in her oven.

If you can look past the plentiful jank, the mod is seriously great. It's been great for autistic RP, too. There are essentially zero Dunmer in The Reach, but my character can't help but see his own people in the guarded, xenophobic looks the Reachmen give him.

"Never thought I'd die fighting alongside an N'wah. But a fellow racist? Aye, that I could see."
 
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Chin of Campbell said:
It seriously tackles a lot of fucked up issues and has the audacity to treat both sides as having merit, which is a big no-no. Racism bad, but racism also meaningful. It doesn't come from nowhere. The fact that BR presents racist characters as real people and not demons wearing human skin is unacceptable to your average redditor, I'm sure.

The line I posted is in response to a public speech by an Orc trying to negotiate peace between his people and the Bretons. A line that comes shortly after is calling him out for petitioning for peace while his countrymen rape and pillage their way through High Rock (the mod takes place just past the border into High Rock, you can even see the Adamantium Tower if you go far enough West). I mean "rape and pillage" literally: there's a quest where you save a captive the Orc terrorists had captured and you have to stop her from killing herself because she doesn't want an Orcish bun in her oven.

If you can look past the plentiful jank, the mod is seriously great. It's been great for autistic RP, too. There are essentially zero Dunmer in The Reach, but my character can't help but see his own people in the guarded, xenophobic looks the Reachmen give him.

"Never thought I'd die fighting alongside an N'wah. But a fellow racist? Aye, that I could see."
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Wow, honestly that sounds right up my alley. I'll see if I can work it into my modlist.
 
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God of Nothing said:
big titty bitch, right
forced baby killing by tiber
did we ever get anything definitive about the why behind that?

It's not like the Septims are descended from his line since his brother was his heir.
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No, but here's the reasons I'd use to support it:

1. Barenziah was his whore, not wife. A bastard firstborn would have a claim against later, legitimate children.
2. If made legitimate, the child would still be foreign to the ruling class. In TES, children inherit the race of the mother, and made worse if raised by his mother who ruled Morrowind from Mournhold.
3. Prior to the Third Empire, the most recent empire was the Akaviri Potentate, which was proclaimed after the ruler of that assassinated the human-led Second Empire. It was probably in the back of Tiber's head that the same could happen to him, with Morrowind being part of the empire by treaty rather than submission.
 
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Chin of Campbell said:
It seriously tackles a lot of fucked up issues and has the audacity to treat both sides as having merit, which is a big no-no. Racism bad, but racism also meaningful. It doesn't come from nowhere. The fact that BR presents racist characters as real people and not demons wearing human skin is unacceptable to your average redditor, I'm sure.

The line I posted is in response to a public speech by an Orc trying to negotiate peace between his people and the Bretons. A line that comes shortly after is calling him out for petitioning for peace while his countrymen rape and pillage their way through High Rock (the mod takes place just past the border into High Rock, you can even see the Adamantium Tower if you go far enough West). I mean "rape and pillage" literally: there's a quest where you save a captive the Orc terrorists had captured and you have to stop her from killing herself because she doesn't want an Orcish bun in her oven.

If you can look past the plentiful jank, the mod is seriously great. It's been great for autistic RP, too. There are essentially zero Dunmer in The Reach, but my character can't help but see his own people in the guarded, xenophobic looks the Reachmen give him.

"Never thought I'd die fighting alongside an N'wah. But a fellow racist? Aye, that I could see."
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we can play reach gigachads?
 
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Prophetic Spirit said:
I don't think so.
Civil War was made by the Thalmor to weaken Skyrim. Ulfric is a dormant agent by them.
If they win the war only to using as a metaphor of Trump and MAGA, that could be worse than before.
If is like Trump was influenced by Jews or something...
Oh, isn't that right?
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You people who misunderstand Ulfric because you watched too many Game Theory videos make me sick.

They show us how the Thalmor "plays both sides" in the Civil War questline, and it's pathetic. In all likelihood, Ulfric was being patronized by someone similar to that triple agent who tries taking the Jagged Crown from you, and told that guy to fuck off during the Markarth Incident. The Thalmor call him an "uncooperative asset", which means something they benefit from in the meantime but can't actually manipulate anymore, and the end of their dossier clearly states that ANY end to the Civil War (Stormcloak or Empire) would be bad for the Dominion.

In truth, the Thalmor realized guerilla warfare was a pain in the ass while trying to hold Hammerfell, and they supported the Stormcloak Rebellion at first because they saw it as a similar conflict they could start for their enemy. They didn't expect it to blow out into regular civil warfare.

There are two actual Jew races in Tamriel:
  1. The Orsimer are the empowered, Zionist Jews of Israel. This wasn't an intentional metaphor by Bethesda, but rather a sinkhole they got themselves in due to a mixture of tangled-up lore and lazy worldbuilding choices. They are the Empire's greatest ally, with a tiny city-state that the Empire (and literally no one else) considers a province. Many choose not to live in the new Orsinium (Israel), instead existing in a diaspora of tribes and Legion families. The previous Orsinium failed due to its king not worshipping Malacath properly. While the Nords of Skyrim are racist, they have a transparent blind spot towards the Orsimer (along with the Redguards for real-life reasons), and even the Stormcloaks avoid calling them out to their face. If the Stormcloaks win, the Imperial Legions will no longer be able to resupply and reinforce Orsinium (Israel), and it will inevitably be destroyed by Hammerfell (the Middle East)... unless, of course, the Stormcloaks consider them to be their greatest ally as well.
  2. The Dunmer are the Jews Bethesda intended. They are an insular, conniving people, currently in a diaspora of their own that Bethesda made far more explicit than that of the Orcs. They are mistreated by every nation except the Empire; however, they hate the Empire more than any of the others, due to its refusal to send them enough money and troops while everyone on the continent was in crisis. The previous homeland, Morrowind, failed due to its king not worshipping Azura correctly; now some have started to file back in, due to the conditions being better, but the in-game books suggest that the bottom half of Morrowind actually belongs to the Argonians (the Arabs) and was given to the Dunmer for political reasons. The mistreatment of the Dunmer is due to them giving everyone else exactly zero reason to like them. Also, they're merchants now.
 
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Foxxo said:
The Thalmor call him an "uncooperative asset", which means something they benefit from in the meantime but can't actually manipulate anymore
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this is a thalmor dossier on their own books it's not like the cia can write down "just funded a cocaine warlord in mexico who doesn't work with us anymore and we can't do anything about it we claim oopsie daisies sorry" "uncooperative asset" is just begrudgingly admitting that they cannot control him while maintaining that all is according to plan
 
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Tbh, the way I've come to understand it is that Ulfric is useful in the sense that if he wins and drives out the empire then Skyrim will be ripe for the Thalmor to just come in and curbstomp them and take Skyrim by force due to the simple fact that the Stormcloaks are just woefully weaker than the Thalmor forces.

So in the long run leaving the empire in charge makes more sense they at least have a chance of fighting back later on if the Thalmor decide to try some shit.
That's just my take though.

Ulfric is just a useful idiot to them because if he wins, they win.
 
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Bob Barbas said:
Tbh, the way I've come to understand it is that Ulfric is useful in the sense that if he wins and drives out the empire then Skyrim will be ripe for the Thalmor to just come in and curbstomp them and take Skyrim by force due to the simple fact that the Stormcloaks are just woefully weaker than the Thalmor forces(...)

(...)Ulfric is just a useful idiot to them because if he wins, they win.
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I dunno... I've done both sides in the civil war and I always go Stormcloak every time I replay Skyrim lately. I can't side with the Imperials in good faith. I remember reading about how Morrowind has an aspect of Tiber Septim show up and he explicitly states that the Empire is old and is probably overdue to be reborn. The Mede dynasty taking over doesn't really count.

I think the Last Dragonborn siding with the Stormcloaks just makes more sense in an overall inter-game story way. At the start of the game you're already with Ulfric and about to be executed alongside him. This is already incentivizing a certain camaraderie with the Stormcloaks, and a distaste for the Imperials who were gonna chop off your head. Also, the LDB is a stereotypical Nordic berserker on the cover, and so forth.

I remember that there's legitimate in-game documentation also explaining that the Thalmor see either side winning promptly as a huge problem. They probably do want to conquer Skyrim with that methodology as you said, but the Thalmor are explicitly just too busy rebuilding their strength after the consecutive wars against the entire Empire and then the continual resistance in Hammerfell. If the LDB wins (hastening the war), the Thalmor still lose, or at least have their initial plans ruined.

This is headcanon tier shit, but as an additional I just can't imagine that there's 2 Thu'um users in post-stormcloak victory Skyrim and the Thu'um isn't gonna be popularized and expanded on for battle purposes. Ulfric is blatantly going against the Greybeards' teachings that the Voice is meant to be used purely for honoring the gods, he used it to kill Torygg and he actively uses it in battle. That definitely sounds like the type of man to teach others the Voice, to bolster his own forces. The LDB could also (probably?) teach others.

Obviously, the Thu'um is a massive force multiplier. This would (hypothetically) make a free Skyrim, which is already a highly defensible country, a pretty strong military power. Historically in the backstory, this was already a truism before using the Thu'um for battle was de-popularized after the defeat at Red Mountain. The Thu'um returning to the common warriors of Skyrim would actually be a return to form in this way.

This would make sense out-of-game too. TES:V is the most popular ES game, and they added gayer versions of the Thu'um powers in Starfield. Of course, the next game is probably going to be in Hammerfell so if any "cool new game-specific super duper power" is going to be included, it'll probably be something like Swordsinging, but the point I'm trying to make is that the Thu'um is one of the most pop-culture/normie memorable things about Skyrim and thus Bethesda has a reason to include it in the next game so people feel comfortable and familiar.

Anyway, siding with the Stormcloaks also lets you kill more elves so that should be reason enough, honestly.

EDIT: typos.
 
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Speaking of "racism" in Skyrim, isn't it interesting how leftists always use the example of the Dunmer and Argonians in Windhelm but almost never use the much better example of Ulfric and the Silver Blood's treatment of the Reach folk which there is a far more extensive case for it? I wonder why that is?
 
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Friendly Primarina said:
When does this happen? I've never seen this.
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Oh, I think he's mistaken or misremembering, but there is something like this. There's a Thalmor glowie named Valmir who camps outside the draugr barrow containing the Rahgot dragon-priest mask. He pretends to be an imperial or stormcloak officer depending on your Civil War allegiance and he tries to dupe you into getting the mask for him.
 
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