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I'd rather charge a machine gun nest in a golf cart then make a hoi4 mod discord.
Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity
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You heard the man, @nieuport17, nothing is stopping you from posting HOI4 modding community related drama here, just find some and show it to us if you want.
Doesn't even make sense. I am not opposed to these things as alt history you can have fun. For example in my heart of hearts I still think that Funny moustache man and his circle should be totalists if Mussolini already made fascism left-wing. Even Red Flood seemed to understand that with several prominent fascists that were more of the revolutionary strand were totalists in red flood. It gives KR its unique flair of how the world is different that far right ideology is more focused on populism and the "green" movement of Russian peasants and Sokinov while fascism sticks to national syndicalism since syndicalism is the dominant leftist ideology. Old KR seemed to understand that but if I had to hazard a guess obviously new devs have come in and probably did not like these irl fascists messing up their wholesome anarcho states. Its odd since they have fascist Chinese Wang Jingwei as the leader of the leftist KMT. This is still fitting since again Wang was in fact a big figure in the L-KMT and if irl he was inspired by Mussolini and that caused his desire for facism he would remain leftist if Mussolini if also still a leftist and in most play through supports his China.
Basically what I am saying is that KR devs are too biased and scared of real life implications to think of how the world would be different with people sometimes following vastly different political thoughts. Sorry to wank off KX more but they do get this. One of the totalist options in China is Dai Li. The Himmler of China since the KMT would never run into problems with commies but instead right wing ones it make sense and authoritarian nationalist would adopt socialist stances. You can even have Chiang Kai-Sheik coup him and there's even a funny easter egg with Mao and Sheik. You have that one guy who sorta coined the term redneck and they pull no punches that while he is labeled as a radsoc since he is socialist he is incredibly racist since again, IRL he thought only whites and Jews deserved workers rights and blacks could shove it. Or how Yockey starts as a natpop but turns totalist to reflect his strange revolutionary brand of fascism and IRL he had a brief stint with Mosley until he pissed Mosley off.
What make natpop and totalism so interesting is what they imply on the nature of the new history. Natpop is not always bad as sometimes it can be actual good populism be it battle pope wanting to free people from red dictatorships, Brazil restoring the monarchy but wanting it to be free for all Brazilians in the Empire and not just the whites, or in cases like France or Portugal where they are just Catholic monarchies, and China where their whole thing is the opium drug trade must stop! Meanwhile totalism is not just your blanket Stalinism and Marxist-Leninism but can have more esoteric revolutionary authoritarian strains ranging from the more revolutionary and futuristic type of fascism we see in Mussolini but taking pages out of KX's book can include strange native American ethno nationalism, socialism with racial characteristics, and sometimes just legit nazbols. I type up this now mini-essay since I am just sad. KR was the first mod I played way back 9 years ago now in 2016 when this game first dropped. They have such potential for interesting lore but like TNO they don't mess around with the idea that this is a new world and thus people could have different views and ideologies.
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Something I was thinking about recently is that I feel like older HOI4 mods had alt-history in which people's political views would shift (e.g. Leftist/Totalist Mussolini) whereas in more newer mods it seems to always be what the people believe(d) IRL just in a timeline with different geopolitics.
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NatPop ideology in Kaiserreich/Redux is kind of a misnomer anyways. Really it would be an improvement if they just removed it and split it into two or three different ideologies, but I guess the subideologies category covers it.
Hence why they justify calling Huey Long a NatPop at the start of a USA run because be is a populist, despite the fact NatPop is colloquially seen as the fascist shoe in for Kaiserreich down to using Vanilla HOI4's color for the ideology. It is extremely subversive in my opinion given like you said, the absolutely massive number of ideological theories that fall under National Populism from revolutionaries to Italian Fascists.
Of course this just follows the usual trend of Leftists ignoring the Leftist roots of Fascism, because that opens up a whole can of worms for them on whether or not someone from the Right can care about worker rights, environmentalism, etc.
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Redux actually makes Long a Authorian Democrat, which is more accurate to what Long was irl. In fact, another Kaiserredux leader that's done better is Pelley.
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If it wasn’t for modding discussion, or talking about other HOI4 mods in general, this thread would be deader than disco.
TNO is kaput at this point. Updates are sporadic. The original team is almost (if not completely) gone. There’s really nothing left to talk about.
Now, maybe a renaming or something might be in order, change the title to ‘TNO and general HOI4 mod discussion’ or something.
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Fair enough. I can get behind a rename tbh.
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Yeah it is usually pretty funny to see leftists cope with existence Strasserism.
They try to cope and say he supported neo-feudalism and shit. For context I had a friend who is a Strasser. Odd ideology but I can attest that they and the Strassers did legit care about workers rights. They were hardcore against the monarchy system and the junkers and wanted a nationalist variant of socialism. This does not sit right with a lot since a lot of leftists want it pigeonholed into hand holding communes or Marxist-Leninism. Its just no different from the other leftist infighting but especially for these fuckers.
The way I once talked about it with a friend and how they can't decide is as follows. Revolutionary strands of fascism should be totalists along with outright nazbols. Strassers, Mosley, Mussolini, fit into this. Especially the fascists that were anti-clerical, focused more on the trade union aspect of it, and had disdain for their monarchy and the past institutions of their nation.
National Populism should usually be religious or monarchial in nature. Like the integralists of Portugal, Spain, Brazil, Italy. I will even grant them that it should be what leftist do think of the right-wing in that they are people into traditional values, religion, and have a disdain for syndicalism and liberal democracy feeling that it ruined their nation or will ruin theirs and turn to a strong leader who promises or portrays themself as a leader.
In regards to Long I think he should be a wild card and not his own side in the civil war. It was also posted loooooooong ago but Long while authoritarian had to be given the political climate at the time. If Long was governor of a northern state no one would care. IRL he was fine with progressives and social democrats. Long should just be a social democrat who funny enough could be written as a bridge or compromise between the SPA and the DFLP.
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The fact that we even say "revolutionary fascism" is what makes me laugh - fascism was revolutionary! People forget how close to the French Revolution it was, with their own ideas of getting rid of the class structure, reinventing history, year zero, etc.
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Horrifying.
Bonaparte larp being the default French monarchist path should be some sort of litmus test for whether someone actually knows anything about French politics. The current head of the Bonaparte family is a banker living in London and Bonapartism as a whole was dead after De Gaulle made it irrelevant by creating the presidential republic.
To give some credit the reason I mention this is some of them are not and do fit the more natpop mold. As for example some of the fascists and fascist allies were just your standard monrchist or religious nut who latched onto the anti-communist part and wanted it to be more reactionary. Even the IRL fascist had this problem albeit a lot of them regretted it. Mussolini for example when making the RSI was glad that he had full power now and actually did move more towards his KR depiction. IRL he only sided with the monarchy due to his love of power and wanting Catholic votes and ass kissing. Other's such as the finish and Romanian and Croatian fascists were also just your standard religion combined with ultra nationalism. The Spanish national syndicalists fit the totalist bill but obviously not Franco and the Falange has some of it but not enough. Honestly Mussolini and Hitler caving to right-wing ideals muddied the water as they tried to combine leftism and rightism into one ideology which is obviously hard.
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A bourbon path was also teased, but I forgot to include it in the original post.
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Considering real life events and the man involved in it (also a businessman), it's not that big of a stretch. A stretch for sure, but not outside the realm of possibility in the world of TFR.
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Isn't that the guy who gets crowned when the Reichbürgers take over Germany?
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This is what Loji looks like according to a TFR dev.
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"Washee washee wash stain of capitalism from Asia"
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and then he fights Peter Griffin like Street Fighter.
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Terrible, beating and maiming males is no where near as enjoyable as doing the same to females. My day is ruined and I will be uninstalling TFR.