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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/
 
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If we're still talking about Sun Tzu, the big takeaway is don't trust an English translation of Classical Chinese. Check for yourself and see how different the translations are.
The second big takeaway is don't bother trying to read it in Classical Chinese, unless you're a scholar of Classical Chinese, which you aren't.
 
If we're still talking about Sun Tzu, the big takeaway is don't trust an English translation of Classical Chinese. Check for yourself and see how different the translations are.
The second big takeaway is don't bother trying to read it in Classical Chinese, unless you're a scholar of Classical Chinese, which you aren't.
The funniest parts of the translation is when Sun Tzu explains a concept, says "This is called: (name of concept in Chinese)" and the English translation just has a definition instead of a name there.
 
Let's take a trip into the past and think about how much things have changed from four years ago.

Exiled from social media mainstream, Trump and his followers will find life different at the extreme corners of the Web
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Craig Timberg and Drew Harwell
2021-01-19 23:53:50GMT
President Trump will leave the White House on Wednesday as a man shorn of a key instrument of his power — his Twitter account — amid a broad reckoning over whether even the world’s leading politicians have a right to incite violence and spread hate speech on social media.

There will always be ways for Trump, and everyone else, to keep making their views known on the Internet. Parler is scrambling its way back online after its unceremonious purging last week, and an ever-growing list of alternatives are offering similar opportunities for online conversation that is moderated lightly or not at all.

But those purged from Twitter, Facebook and YouTube will find their alternatives comparatively obscure, and while their freedom to speak will be intact, their reach will be diminished and their audiences fractured.

Even the most extreme voices — QAnon enthusiasts, Proud Boys, “boogaloo bois,” white supremacists, anti-Semites — have found ways to keep talking to each other online after mainstream platforms expelled them — or, to use an increasingly popular term, “de-platformed” them. What got dramatically curbed was their ability to talk to everyone else.

“I’m hearing some conversations that seem to suggest that de-platforming is a cure-all for radicalization, and that is not at all what the evidence suggests,” said Amarnath Amarasingam, an extremism researcher at Queen’s University in Ontario. “What de-platforming does is disrupt networks, makes it harder for individuals to find each other again, shatters the trust that existed between them [and] takes the megaphone away.
These forces will help shape Trump’s post-White House future and that of a riven, traumatized nation whose new leader, President-elect Joe Biden, has vowed to heal it.

Already there has been a 73 percent drop in misinformation related to false claims about election fraud, analytics firm Zignal Labs reported over the weekend, suggesting concerted action by mainstream platforms can be effective at slowing the spread of falsehoods. Twitter also erased more than 70,000 accounts affiliated with QAnon following the Capitol breach.

At the same time, the shifting ground rules and rising assertiveness of big tech companies have recast the world’s information infrastructure in still-unfolding ways.

It’s clearer than ever who has ultimate power in this world — owners of social media sites and Internet services companies. But how they will use it now is largely unknown, despite a thicket of official platform policies that grows denser by the year.

Silicon Valley’s power, meanwhile, has become a bipartisan concern, as made clear by the antitrust lawsuits filed by dozens of state attorneys general and the U.S. Justice Department — something that’s unlikely to change under a Biden administration. But as those cases play out over what’s expected to be years, tech companies are going to face more immediate fallout from their ongoing drive to rid their platforms of their most virulent voices.

For individual users, the consequences stand to be stark. Increasingly, there is evidence that when a user on a mainstream platform moves to Gab, MeWe or 8kun, their audiences shrink even as they become more intense in voicing their outsider grievances.

Trump, for years the center of American attention, now finds himself at the fringe. Trump built an army of 88 million followers on Twitter over years of frenetic daily posting, and he lost it overnight. After a few failed attempts to tweet from other accounts, he has gone digitally silent. Fringe sites such as Gab have called on him to join them, but he has yet to officially start over anywhere else.

The social network Parler, a favorite of conservatives, is often thought of as an alternative. But Apple and Google dropped it from their app stores after the a mob stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, destroying its ability to reach users on their cellphones. Amazon Web Services, the cloud-computing giant that undergirds much of the modern Internet, also removed the site, saying in a legal filing that Parler had showed an “unwillingness and inability” to remove content “inciting and planning the rape, torture, and assassination of named public officials and private citizens.”

Parler remains mostly offline, but a landing page on the site says its “return is inevitable,” and it has found a helping hand from a Russian company, DDoS-Guard, which helps keep websites online by defending against cyberattacks. The company also has assisted Russian military websites and the far-right message board 8kun, which is home to the sprawling set of extremist ideologies known as QAnon.

DDoS-Guard officials, who did not respond to requests for comment, said in a statement to Forbes that Parler “does not violate either our Acceptable Use Policy or the current U.S. law to the best of our knowledge.”

Other smaller companies, such as Epik and VanwaTech, have stepped in to provide critical services to Gab, 8kun and other websites when other companies pulled their support over the hosting of hate speech or violent threats.

After three mass shootings were linked to posts and racist screeds on 8chan, the site was dropped by the British tech firm Voxility, which said 8chan had facilitated deadly violence and “extreme hate speech with intolerable consequences.” Epik’s chief Rob Monster defended the company’s ongoing work with 8kun, as 8chan is now known, by saying it would not “limit speech that makes us uncomfortable.”

The niche platforms, however, have only a tiny fraction of their mainstream rivals’ relevance or recruitment potential. Three of the biggest pro-Trump sites on the Internet — Parler, Gab and TheDonald.win — have seen a combined average of about 3 million website visits a day in the United States since the insurrection, according to analytics firm SimilarWeb.

That’s about 5 percent of Twitter’s daily U.S. traffic over the same time frame, at 57 million visits a day, and 2 percent of Facebook’s, at more than 140 million. The gap is even more dramatic on a global stage: Facebook and Twitter had more than 1 billion visits worldwide on Jan. 6, the day a mob overran the Capitol.

Amarasingam compared the removal of domestic online extremists to the takedown of the Islamic State’s online network in recent years. The true believers returned on less prominent platforms but not in the same freewheeling way. This hurt their ability to spread their messages and conduct mass recruitment, but didn’t stop more targeted communication efforts.

Such comparisons are increasingly familiar among those studying how online extremism can lead to offline violence, as happened with the boogaloo bois, militia groups and QAnon supporters.

Audrey Alexander, a researcher who studies online extremism at the U.S. Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center, said social media bans on the Islamic State weakened the terrorist group’s recruitment of new followers and that its ability to rebuild was drastically limited by the smaller Internet alternatives it turned to in the aftermath.

Violent organizing and hate speech can’t be eradicated from the Internet, she said, but it can be marginalized, and tech companies have begun experimenting with some methods, from quietly limiting a channel’s dissemination ability to promoting more authoritative voices in subscriptions and searches.

But “if we work too hard to push them to a place where the mainstream won’t see them, the fringe is really going to validate itself with all this escalating behavior and egging each other on,” she added. “People start to believe, ‘Hey, there’s a lot of other people who believe the same things, too.’ ”

SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks online extremism, has identified three new web addresses for TheDonald, the fervently pro-Trump community that started on Reddit but later was banished. The website where it now operates was a central hub for organizing, instigating and celebrating the Capitol siege. The moderators of the forum recently urged users to bookmark the new web addresses, presumably in case the main site is knocked offline, and they are using several domain registrars and hosting services to guard against possible punitive action by any single company.

A post on 4chan and Telegram, under the headline “The Big Tech Flippening,” lists alternatives to Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, WhatsApp, Discord, Instagram and even the mainstream browsers Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox.

The shift to smaller messaging and social media sites — whether from a purge or a voluntary exodus — means “you stop the recruitment of innocent people” who might stumble upon extremist messaging, said Rita Katz, the executive director of SITE. “At the same time, there’s greater threat to being made radical” among those communicating in more confined communities.

L. Lin Wood, the Georgia attorney who has led a failing legal crusade to overturn Trump’s election loss, built a massive Twitter audience with false tweets about conspiracy theories and voter fraud — nearly 1.2 million followers, roughly 100,000 of whom followed him the day before the attack on the Capitol. On that morning, he tweeted, “Time to fight for our freedom. Pledge your lives, your fortunes, & your sacred honor. … TODAY IS OUR DAY.”

When Twitter banned him a day later for inciting violence, he continued posting on Parler, where he told his more than 500,000 followers that Vice President Pence should be executed.

Wood, who did not respond to requests for comment, has continued to post online about baseless claims of a vast and “evil” conspiracy, saying on Tuesday that Pence, Hillary Clinton and Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. had been involved in a plot to kill federal judges.

But with Twitter banning him and Parler no longer accessible, he has been unable to replicate his old audience: Wood now posts mostly on Telegram, a messaging app that allows group chats, where he has about 400,000 subscribers and none of the simple retweeting tools that allow his fans to share his message with a broader audience.

On Tuesday, he announced he’d hit a new obstacle, saying Telegram had suspended replies to his posts because users had been “posting improper content.” He asked that his followers “please consider sharing my posts.”

“Share truth with others. Thank you,” he concluded, adding emoji for folded hands and a heart.
 
I was dining on some tasty, tasty schadenfreude while watching this video until Adam Conover, a person who prides himself on being accurate & informed (contrarian), made the blunder of calling Project 2025 "Trump's manual." This is a person who has made a career of being the "well akshually" meme on TV and he didn't bother to even double-check Project 2025's origins. This IRL fact checker is just a PEZ dispenser of buzzword bullshit like every other breadtuber I've ever seen. How is it that an imbecile like him is still popular?
I looove the "distress flag" meme. He somehow hit the nail on the head with the title of the video, though. No one is coming to save you, because all the foreigners that agree with your position hate you and your country, doofus.
 
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I’m sorry I intruded your safe space. I thought this was about politics, not mouth breathing retards sharing the same opinions.
I'd honestly just like it if you stopped posting a reply every handful of minutes when arguing with like 4 people, instead of just waiting a bit so you could have the responses all be in one post so its not clogging up the thread. Disagreement is fine, but c'mon man
 
Does your market have any good regional sodas or other special snacks?
I'd say yes, but I wouldn't want to be too specific. That said, I'll gladly look at some items and see how apparently devastating the prices are under the supposedly fucked Trump economy later this week if he wants to give me a short list.
 
All I got from it is that fair fights are for suckers.
Well, if you play a game you KNOW is rigged, and just play fair, thinking you'll win, then yes, you're a sucker.

Rigged games are not to be engaged on moral/fair terms. Either don't play it at all, or burn it to the fucking ground.
 
>FBI withheld documents
>FBI released documents
>Says they're gonna investigate FBI on why this happened
>Investigation will be conducted by FBI

:stress:
Is this supposed to make sense?
Yeah! It's just like when the TSA gets caught red-handed stealing shit from passengers, suspends the accused employees (with pay), conducts a thorough investigation of its employees' behavior and its internal policies, and determines there was no wrong-doing and no policy updates are required!

Don'tcha just love self-sustaining bureaucracies?
 
All I got from it is that fair fights are for suckers.
How does the saying go? Fair fights are for losers and dead men.


‘Trump is kicking ass’: supporters cheer president’s frenzied first weeks
Financial Times (archive.ph)
By Myles McCormick
2025-03-04 05:04:02GMT
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Construction worker Tim Davenport says Trump has restored ‘common sense’ to America © Ross Landenberger/FT

A little over a month into his second term, Donald Trump’s warp speed overhaul of US policy has already reverberated across the globe.

Thousands of federal employees have been sacked. Ukraine fears abandonment in its war with Russia. The population of Gaza faces potential resettlement. North America is on the brink of a trade war.

But for Corinne Wooten, a 30-year-old nurse in the Atlanta suburb of Roswell, Georgia, all of that seems a world away.

“It truly does not affect my life right now, which is maybe a little selfish to say, but it doesn’t,” said Wooten, who voted for Trump, but does not follow politics closely. “Life has been the same. Nothing’s changed for us.”

Her verdict on Trump’s first month back: “So far, so good.”

The pace and scale of Trump’s effort to upend the political status quo over the past six weeks has taken Washington by storm — leaving Democrats aghast and US allies scrambling to respond.

Town hall meetings across the country — including one in Roswell — have grown raucous as opponents push back against over-reach by the president. Warnings abound that by going too fast, the president risks alienating many of his own supporters.

But among the suburban voters who propelled Trump into a second term, there is little evidence of disquiet. Many, like Wooten, are nonplussed by the revamp. Others are revelling in it.

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Dontaye Carter, chair of the North Fulton Democrats, said Trump’s actions were energising members of his party © Ross Landenberger/FT
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Nurse Corinne Wooten said she did not feel as though Trump’s actions on tariffs and Ukraine had affected her © Ross Landenberger/FT

“Donald Trump is kicking ass,” said Clark Searles, a 64-year-old pharma worker and military veteran in the neighbouring suburb of Alpharetta.

“He’s actually doing what he promised he was going to do, particularly as it relates to getting the fraud out of our government.”

Democrats have been particularly dismayed by Trump’s cooling support for Kyiv — laid bare in Friday’s fiery Oval Office clash with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy — and the dismantling of federal bureaucracy by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency led by billionaire Elon Musk.

Yet polling suggests neither policy has had a significant impact on Trump’s popularity as supporters continue to keep the faith.

While the president’s approval rating has slipped since he took office, it remained narrowly positive ahead of his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, according to the latest 538 poll of polls, and higher than at practically any point in his first term.

Some supporters expressed qualms over Trump’s courting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and the persistence of the high prices that he promised to curb by unleashing US oil production. But most were satisfied that in both cases, the president knew what he was doing.

“Putin’s evil, there’s no doubt about it. But sometimes you have to deal with evil if you want to save people,” said Tim Davenport, 58, who works in construction. “Trump just wants to end the war.”

He applauded the president’s sacking of “woke” generals and his crackdown on transgender athletes’ participation in women’s sports. “Government’s too big and the liberals are goofy,” said Davenport, who has voted for Trump three times. “Common sense, there’s just not enough of it.”

Georgia acts as an important bellwether for the national political mood. After narrowly losing the state in 2020 — which he falsely blamed on election interference — Trump flipped it in 2024. While urban areas backed Kamala Harris, suburban voters, frustrated by the heightened cost of living, largely came out for Trump.

Chris Tark, a 66-year-old retiree, said the process of cutting prices “hasn't started yet” but blamed external factors such as avian flu and the lag period before oil output rises. He said supporters would be patient.

“I think it’s going to take a good year before we’ll see results from all that,” he said. “The ones that voted for him understand how it works. Everybody else will be ready to jump on him when next week the prices aren’t down.”

Many opponents concede that whatever steps Trump takes, wholesale abandonment by voters in the near term is unlikely. After a decade in politics, the president is no longer an unknown quantity and many of his policy actions were foreshadowed on the campaign trail.

Traditional Republicans who found him distasteful have either already turned their back on him, or made peace with his approach.

“The only buyer’s remorse that I’ve come across so far has been what I’m seeing in the media,” said Joe Carlson, 67, a former life-long Republican, who was turned off the party in 2016 by Trump’s initial rise to power.

“It’s tough because there’s an investment that people that have voted for him for a couple of cycles now have made,” said Carlson, a former businessman who remains an active member of the National Rifle Association. “Any good conman will tell you that it’s easier to con somebody than to convince them later they were conned.”

The response of Democrats, meanwhile, has been muted amid a barrage of executive orders designed to “flood the zone” and make it difficult to muster coherent opposition.

But there are signs the party is regrouping and beginning to co-ordinate a more organised grassroots resistance.

At the Roswell town hall, Republican congressman Rich McCormick was harangued by an angry crowd over Trump’s record, after local Democrats co-ordinated irate constituents to vent their discontent.

Dontaye Carter, chair of the North Fulton Democrats, said there was an anger brewing among Democratic voters that was re-engaging a base that in many cases did not show up to vote in November’s election.

“It’s time to take that passion from the streets and bring it into the suites,” said Carter, 38. “It’s time for us to mobilise, it’s time for us to fundraise . . . We’ve got a hell of a fight that’s coming in 2026.”

But bringing more moderate voters onside will be a challenge in the near term, Democratic operatives concede.

“We are welcoming anyone who’s like, ‘I made a huge mistake’,” said Jennifer Ambler, a Democratic activist in Forsyth county. “[But] it’s pretty quiet . . . They’re still willing to give [Trump] some time.”

Still, Democrats are banking that if Trump fails to curb prices soon, his voters will ultimately lose patience, triggering a backlash in next year’s midterm elections. A brewing trade war could work in their favour, they say, pushing up prices for consumers.

“I do not think people will be tolerant of those tariffs,” said Ambler. “Musk goes around saying there might need to be a little pain. [But] the American people are not very tolerant of pain.”
 
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