Ziz / Jack Amadeus LaSota / Zizians / sinceriously.fyi - Vegan AI Singularity Doomsday Cult turned Tranny Manson Family. Implicated in at least 6 deaths.

[Positron]

1. This AI would have to be petty, cruel and spiteful
2. This AI would have to make a leap in logic that people who didn't help it come into being deserve eternal torture (not even AM from I have no mouth and I must scream was this irrational)

The AI will also have to be wasteful, spending resources to punish people when doing so does not help it coming into being (because its having come into being is a given fact). In other words, the Basilisk is irrational.

Ultimately, it's a warning about techno fascism and how we should smother would be bad designers in the crib before they finish their awful machine god. If you find someone purposefully creating a Roko's Basilisk, cut off their hands so they cannot program anymore.

But can you tell if someone is making a Basilisk, when even the genesis of such mundane playthings as ChatGPT is murky as fuck?

 

[Whore of Babylon 69]

I'd find this entire mentality hilariously bad if the maniacs who believe in it didn’t kill a bunch of innocent people over literally nothing.

None of those people deserved it, and that makes me disgusted.

 

[YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG]

But can you tell if someone is making a Basilisk, when even the genesis of such mundane playthings as ChatGPT is murky as fuck?

People who are working on a Basilisk have an inability to not tell people they are working on a Basilisk. That's kind of one of running jokes of the Basilisk, and the AI field in general. If someone is working on an AI project, and they aren't government related, they will let you know that, even if unprompted.

 

[ghjoigcbn]

The AI will also have to be wasteful, spending resources to punish people when doing so does not help it coming into being (because its having come into being is a given fact). In other words, the Basilisk is irrational.


But can you tell if someone is making a Basilisk, when even the genesis of such mundane playthings as ChatGPT is murky as fuck?

Yes it’s true but these people are obsessed with decision theory and game theory . Ziz was also obsessed with it and used that the threat of retaliation to manipulate people. In their view it would mean that the threat of the basilisk promising to torture people in the future would affect the behavior of people in the present by inducing them to help the basilisk so they avoid torture in the future. I think this relates to why Yud thinks it was an info hazard. Putting out information saying if the AI did this, it would incentivize me to help it, in turn incentivizes the AI to do that thing, in their view.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

The Guardian published an unusually detailed write up about these people earlier today (archive).

For someone who hasn't really been keeping up on the drama surrounding these weird niche tech-orientated communities for quite awhile, it's the first time I've heard of this specific one, but what I've read about them thus far elucidates something I have believed for some time, which is that the sort of people who are drawn to the novel philosophies espoused by Silicon Valley tech mavens generally tend to be completely insane.

There's also a fair degree of crank magnetism at work, because as soon as you find out that one of these people is a transhumanist, a singularity-obsessive, an AI enthusiast/doomer, a militant vegan, a genderspecial, or an anarchist of some description who flirts with revolutionary ideation, then the chances of them being all of the above is not at all unlikely.

The only thing that seems to unite these people is the misanthropy within which their disparate (and often contradictory) beliefs were formed: they invariably hate themselves, their species, their parents, their societies, and their own bodies, and they possess an overwhelming desire to "transcend" what they hate. In short, they're crazed fantasists, unbridled by the lowly mortal considerations (in their minds) of empathy or morality.

I thought this might be worthy of a Community Watch thread, but it looks like their group is reaching the end of the line now, which is ultimately a good thing, because these people are totally unhinged, a danger to themselves and others, and must be stopped before they harm anyone else.

 

[Maurice Maine]

The Guardian published an unusually detailed write up about these people earlier today (archive).

For someone who hasn't really been keeping up on the drama surrounding these weird niche tech-orientated communities for quite awhile, it's the first time I've heard of this specific one, but what I've read about them thus far elucidates something I have believed for some time, which is that the sort of people who are drawn to the novel philosophies espoused by Silicon Valley tech mavens generally tend to be completely insane.

There's also a fair degree of crank magnetism at work, because as soon as you find out that one of these people is a transhumanist, a singularity-obsessive, an AI enthusiast/doomer, a militant vegan, a genderspecial, or an anarchist of some description who flirts with revolutionary ideation, then the chances of them being all of the above is not at all unlikely.

The only thing that seems to unite these people is the misanthropy within which their disparate (and often contradictory) beliefs were formed: they invariably hate themselves, their species, their parents, their societies, and their own bodies, and they possess an overwhelming desire to "transcend" what they hate. In short, they're crazed fantasists, unbridled by the lowly mortal considerations (in their minds) of empathy or morality.

I thought this might be worthy of a Community Watch thread, but it looks like their group is reaching the end of the line now, which is ultimately a good thing, because these people are totally unhinged, a danger to themselves and others, and must be stopped before they harm anyone else.

Better villains than what Hollywood has churned out in the last 20 years. bravo vince

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

The Guardian published an unusually detailed write up about these people earlier today (archive).

Somni/the Neanderthal used a phrase in German for his yearbook and got it embarassingly wrong. This amuses me.

Leatham had studied math at UCLA and UC Berkeley and seemed to be a vagabond. Someone who went to high school with Leatham, in an upper-middle-class suburb of LA, recalled her to me as “really smart, beyond genius”, conspicuously bored in most classes and “extremely socially awkward”, but part of a group of math-geek friends. Her yearbook quote was Ich aufsteigen: “I rise.”

It's ich steige auf. It's a very basic conjugation. Beyond genius, eh?

 

[Kent Allard]

Somni/the Neanderthal used a phrase in German for his yearbook and got it embarassingly wrong. This amuses me.


It's ich steige auf. It's a very basic conjugation. Beyond genius, eh?

You don’t have to be intelligent to speak German, I’m living proof of it.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

I think a lot of people use Veganism as a way to mask/cope with mental illness. It gives them the ultimate in control

Yep.

https://viva.org.uk/lifestyle/living-vegan/celebrities/actors-directors/elliot-page/

 

[08903248752]

I saw someone describe all this as the DEI woke reboot of the Charlie Manson Family, and I'm still giggling.

 

[Glory To Arztotska]

The Guardian published an unusually detailed write up about these people earlier today (archive).

For someone who hasn't really been keeping up on the drama surrounding these weird niche tech-orientated communities for quite awhile, it's the first time I've heard of this specific one, but what I've read about them thus far elucidates something I have believed for some time, which is that the sort of people who are drawn to the novel philosophies espoused by Silicon Valley tech mavens generally tend to be completely insane.

There's also a fair degree of crank magnetism at work, because as soon as you find out that one of these people is a transhumanist, a singularity-obsessive, an AI enthusiast/doomer, a militant vegan, a genderspecial, or an anarchist of some description who flirts with revolutionary ideation, then the chances of them being all of the above is not at all unlikely.

The only thing that seems to unite these people is the misanthropy within which their disparate (and often contradictory) beliefs were formed: they invariably hate themselves, their species, their parents, their societies, and their own bodies, and they possess an overwhelming desire to "transcend" what they hate. In short, they're crazed fantasists, unbridled by the lowly mortal considerations (in their minds) of empathy or morality.

I thought this might be worthy of a Community Watch thread, but it looks like their group is reaching the end of the line now, which is ultimately a good thing, because these people are totally unhinged, a danger to themselves and others, and must be stopped before they harm anyone else.

Shit, I think you hit a nail on the head, because when you summed up their possible motivations I think the same could be said about a lot of radical groups and not just singularity/AI weirdos.

 

[Flamin Park]

Is he being held in men's prison? Also I'm hoping the judge tells him to go fuck his vegan diet and we'll see how long it is before he clearly doesn't starve

 

[sheepworldvizor]

The Guardian published an unusually detailed write up about these people earlier today (archive).

To summarize the first 8 paras: SHE HER HER HER SHE SHE, SHE SHE HER, HER SHE, HER. HER. SHE. SHE.

 

[Vecr]

To summarize the first 8 paras: SHE HER HER HER SHE SHE, SHE SHE HER, HER SHE, HER. HER. SHE. SHE.

The Guardian makes Yudkowsky sound cooler than he is, especially with the last couple paragraphs. The whole story has him sounding mysterious, if you don't know how journalists call a guy fat, that is. Wow, he knows the decision theory!

 

[Flamin Park]

Don't forget Yud freaking out that the all-powerful super-AI might get the idea from a forum post about it.
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For all of their ideas about spreading rational decision making to the masses; not one of them can make a rational decision to condense their ideas into an accessible and clear summary that's easy to read and follow.
I believe it was Werner Heisenberg who said

"Even for the physicist the description in plain language will be a criterion of the degree of understanding that has been reached."

The fact that these retards feel the need to drone on in ever increasing circles about their "ideas" is the first sign they're full of shit. The fact that for all their emphasis on optimizing themselves they end up trooning out, writing tens of thousands of pages of Harry Potter fanfic about their ideas and generally being hideous specimens of autism is strike two, the fact that all of their bluster has made them nothing but more miserable is three strikes and out

 

[Borax Bozo]

I saw someone describe all this as the DEI woke reboot of the Charlie Manson Family, and I'm still giggling.

"Transon Family" was the epithet I saw

 

[CervixHammer]

Behind the Bastards episode:

Oops, I accidentally posted some unrelated-to-Ziz twitter screenshots. Good thing I did that instead of fedposting about Robert Evans and how funny it would be if [REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED] in Samurai Shodown.


edit: mp3s (with ads) of parts 1 & 2:

 

[Clobber3]

Andy Ngo report from the court hearing today for Leatham and Berns

Ziz trans terror update: At the March 14 pre-trial court hearing for murder and attempted murder suspects Alexander ("Somni") Leatham and Tessa Berns ("Suri Dao") in Solano County, Calif., Leatham was rolled out in a wheelchair and began screaming behind his mask: "This is a show trial to coordinate the genocide of transgender people."

(The judge did not allow photography or recording.)

He screamed this nonstop and was moved to a separate booth so the hearing could proceed. He's had this outburst repeatedly now at pre-trial hearings.

The trial was set to start on April 2, but the defense convinced the judge to delay it further to an undetermined date. The key eye witness to case, Curtis Lind, was assassinated in January and the entire case is in question now. Leatham may be trying to convince the judge to be prepared to declare a mistrial over "transphobia."

Last year Leatham filed a lawsuit against the county for alleged "transphobic" treatment in the jail. He claims a jail officer cut off his bra and underwear and repeatedly told him, "You are not a woman" and called him a "tranny" and a "bitch." (Leatham also previously sued Sonoma County for alleged transphobic false arrest.) He has tried to escape twice since being in custody and nearly got away one of the times.

Leatham, a former youth math genius, comes from an extremely well-to-do Los Angeles family and attended UCLA and UC Berkeley before joining the "Zizians," a group accused of being a trans terror cult. His father is an engineer at Raytheon.

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1900735798229586229

https://nitter.poast.org/MrAndyNgo/status/1900735798229586229

 

[ratters]

Can you imagine this being your child? I don't think it's entirely on the parents. I know some parents who really tried their best and got a bad apple.

 

[A.P. Hill]

I just wanted to comment that I've noticed that beady, glassy-eyed lizard Ziz stare on trannies IRL and I know for a fact each of them will end up diddling or murdering. There is no stronger evidence for the existence of demons than looking at that mugshot of Ziz. Whatever soul used to be behind those eyes was consumed a long time ago.