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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and work to become financially independent.

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In a statement, Prince Harry and Meghan also said they plan to split their time between the UK and North America.

The BBC understands no other royal - including the Queen or Prince William - was consulted before the statement and Buckingham Palace is "disappointed".

Senior royals are understood to be "hurt" by the announcement.

In their unexpected statement on Wednesday, also posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they made the decision "after many months of reflection and internal discussions".

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen."

They said they plan to balance their time between the UK and North America while "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages".

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity."

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman said discussions with the duke and duchess on their decision to step back were "at an early stage", adding: "We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

The couple's announcement on Wednesday comes two months after the Duke of York withdrew from public life after a BBC interview about his ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August.

 
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Brief Guardian article mocking the show.
Are peonies a life philosophy? Are “life philosophies” even philosophy? I have to hold on to the idea that they aren’t, even in the face of a decade or so of Instagram blitzkrieg, most currently in the form of Duchess Meghan’s eight-part new TV show, which dropped on Netflix first thing this morning. With Love, Meghan seems to have migrated fully formed from Mark Zuckerberg’s social media platform on to Ted Sarandos’s streaming service, powered by the hashtags that bypass the need for joined-up sentences, let alone thinking. Or as Her Grace explains: “Everyone’s invited to create wonder in every moment.” This is an offer not even promised by most major religions.
The mildest way to describe this show is as a ghastly artefact of a particular cultural era that recently met its apocalypse. But more on that later. To anyone who says, “It’s just meant to be fun”: bullshit. Netflix reportedly paid $100m (£78m) to Prince Harry and the manic pixie dream duchess for an overall deal, so for the streamer it’s meant to make back at least a small amount of the big amount of money they’ve lost, when audiences failed to connect with the Sussex-authored documentaries about global justice activists and polo. For Meghan, it’s supposed to assist her transformation into domestic guru. If you don’t mind arching an eyebrow at the lifestyle lunacies of fellow Montecito resident Gwyneth Paltrow, then at least have some consistency and give yourself a pass on this one. This show is sensationally absurd and trite, and if you watch it, you know it.


Language is either category-five twee or has been reduced to non-sentient babyspeak. “Good vibes, good hives”. “Clean clean clean clean.” “Single skillet spaghetti. S-s-s. S-s-s …” I won’t labour the 1% of the 1% mood, though someone driving through one of America’s most rarefied billionaires’ communities to buy a few hundred dollars’ worth of flowers while telling you, “It’s the little things that count” is obviously ridiculous. As is referring to a bucket as a “garbage vessel”. Nor will I, “as a woman”, do more than note that you don’t see successful men spending for ever on all this stuff. Zuckerberg and Sarandos presumably decided a very long time ago that part of the goal is to not even know where your kitchen is.

Of much more interest is how these Insta-perfect worlds have grabbed people by the throat and siphoned away so much of their valuable time and attention in recent years. Scrolling the platform or watching Meghan’s show (they are almost identical sensory experiences), you note how much of the language is explicitly religious. Time is described as “sacred”, practices are “rituals”, people are continually feeling “blessed”, snacks are “an offering”, the emphasis is on “honouring” this or that. It becomes hard not to see all the flower frogs and rosemary sprigs and garbage vessels as holy kit, arranged in esoteric fashion as if to summon a form of peace. Or rather, #peace. But peace through retail, always – even if the product turns out to be you.
It’s amusing to learn from publicists and Meghan herself that the duchess’s artisan this-and-thats will be available in the Netflix brick-and-mortar stores opening this year. Other eras have had their epicureans or hedonists, of course, who lived and sometimes died for the ideal of simplicity or pleasure in an epic kind of way. But today’s gazillion-strong influencer community has zero intellectual underpinning to it, which is why it’s so often the unwitting butt of its own joke. I’m trying to picture Oscar Wilde being told Netflix is going to sell limited edition artisan Oscar Wilde buttonholes in its shop, and him just fainting at the obvious horror of it all.
Sorry to press an unmodernised yet perfectly adequate word into action, but of course all this stuff is perfectly nice. It’s nice if the table is laid nicely, it’s lovely if the flowers are lovely, it’s caring of you to make people feel cared for, whatever that really means. (I wonder if the truly selfless tablescape actually exists – Meghan’s entire MO feels desperately “compliments to the hostess”.) As I say, it’s all nice. But it’s neither a long nor an interesting conversation – at best it should serve as a backdrop to one. And yet over the past rise-of-the-influencer decade, it seems to have become the conversation.
Decades often seem to be about certain things, before another, defining thing sneaks in under the radar. The 2000s seemed to be about celebrity culture and Islamist fundamentalism, but in retrospect the 2008 financial crash – both its causes and the failure to deliver justice in its aftermath – was the key event. The 10 years we have just lived through might have seemed to be about social media and what came to be summarised as woke culture. But a global fracturing was stealing under the radar.
It certainly isn’t any more. In fact, watching With Love, Meghan early this morning already felt like a past washing over me, so much so that I decided that maybe – and please stay with me for this hot take – maybe, Meghan has made a landmark TV series after all. Immerse yourself in it for an episode or eight, and you instinctively feel that both the show and the duchess embody the age that has become suddenly bygone. And that is the exact feeling that countless people have been experiencing since this year turned – that an era is dying. Or rather, that it has already died, and suddenly. There were many others, but Meghan was as good an avatar for it as any – torn between wildly ineffective social justice activism, and the narcotising retreat of the peonied table. But this is now over, and I think we can all feel it in our bones. Rest in peace/power/whatever. But godspeed to something else – something better – being born.
 
I still don't understand how some actress whose life experience consists of being on TV and getting fucked by fat old Arabs on yachts before marrying a prince could be presented as some kind of domestic goddess. Nothing in her past, ahem, "career" would indicate any competence at cooking, crafting, keeping a house or entertaining guests (unless those guests are fat, old Arabs).

Truly she is a contemptable bitch. It would be best if William took a leaf out of his grandfather's book and arranged a tragic road traffic accident.
 
I still don't understand how some actress whose life experience consists of being on TV and getting fucked by fat old Arabs on yachts before marrying a prince could be presented as some kind of domestic goddess. Nothing in her past, ahem, "career" would indicate any competence at cooking, crafting, keeping a house or entertaining guests (unless those guests are fat, old Arabs).

Lest we forget.
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I don't give a shit about this show and I won't watch it, but I nevertheless have thoughts.

1) In the clip with Mindy Kaling, that little pause between when Mindy stops talking and Meghan starts talking is so revealing, like Meghan initially wants to tell Mindy to get the fuck out of her house before bitchsplaining her alleged last name.

2) Is this show supposed to be Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or is is supposed to be Celebrities: They're Just Like Us? I ask because putting on a $$$$ white dress for cooking or gardening or ANYTHING makes her seem very un-relatable. Martha Stewart has more money than she does and she's not afraid to put on a pair of jeans and a normal shirt.

3) I thought American Riviera Orchard was a stupid name but As Ever is even stupider. (Why not "As Always"? Or does that sound too much like a maxi pad?) To go back to Martha Stewart, she made her money not by selling jam but by teaching other people to make jam. I don't know what the product is.
 
1) In the clip with Mindy Kaling, that little pause between when Mindy stops talking and Meghan starts talking is so revealing, like Meghan initially wants to tell Mindy to get the fuck out of her house before bitchsplaining her alleged last name.

I don't think she even legally changed it. I saw a blind or snippy article somewhere that when she flew home from Invictus she tried to correct the guards or whoever at Immigration about her name and they were like, "So, what's here on your passport is incorrect then?" Oops.

2) Is this show supposed to be Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or is is supposed to be Celebrities: They're Just Like Us? I ask because putting on a $$$$ white dress for cooking or gardening or ANYTHING makes her seem very un-relatable. Martha Stewart has more money than she does and she's not afraid to put on a pair of jeans and a normal shirt.

Seems more like "I Really Wanted To Be A Celebrity But Fucked It Up And Actually I'm Scared Of Everyone Now So I'll Just Pretend" because the show wasn't even filmed in her real home, where there could have at least been a touch of authenticity if nothing else. They rented a house for her to play Make Believe Down-Home Princess in.

3) I thought American Riviera Orchard was a stupid name but As Ever is even stupider. (Why not "As Always"? Or does that sound too much like a maxi pad?) To go back to Martha Stewart, she made her money not by selling jam but by teaching other people to make jam. I don't know what the product is.

I'm speculating that "As Ever" is suggestive of "happily ever after" in classic princess stories. But you're right, Martha Stewart was more than just "Look at me, look at this pretty thing that I made, buy my merch."
 
I'm speculating that "As Ever" is suggestive of "happily ever after" in classic princess stories.
I'm from A Certain Era and I hear it like "What! Ever!"

And "American Riviera Orchard" just had the wrong mix of vowels in it.

Amerrrrrrican Rivierrrrrrrra Garrrrrrrdens would have been more mellifluous.

If I had to pin down what's so heinous about "American Riviera Orchard," I think it's like....

"Uh-MER-uh-can Rivvy-YER-uh OR-churd"

Something about going from that third "uh" directly to "or" and then finishing with a "churd" is like... ugh.

I think it's going from two words that are Romance Language words to a word that's not, where the Romance Languages have a fairly predictable consonant/vowel pattern that gets wrecked at the end.

I have spent way too much time thinking about this Basic Bitch.
 
I want to see megs actually do some bee things. Put the suit on. Open the hive.
I downloaded the first episode and the opening scene is actually her with the bees
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She says that they've not checked on the bees for a couple of months, and the beekeeper she's with corrects her and says "I've been here since and they were doing well", then gets his little bee smoker out.
Meghan starts expounding "I know some people do this by themselves entirely at home; we've been doing this for over a year now but I still need you! I can't do this part! It makes me so scared!". Then he opens the hive and he tells her not to be scared, and Meghan retreats into a sort of hackneyed Zooey Deschanel quirky girl impression that has to be seen to be believed:

What it actually makes me think of is something like Lady Markle strolling around the grounds of her estate and asking the gardener about the flowers he's growing because she's bored.

Edit: The reviews don't do this show justice. It's so weird. In the next scene she's got a her old makeup artist visiting who has been friends with her "before, during and after" and she's stressing the importance of furnishing the guest suite to ensure there's something nice for them on their bedside table and in their guest bathroom. She fucks up making scented epsom salts, pouring a couple of essential oils onto epsom salts, then topping up with plain epsom salt and Himalayan Pink Salt (defeating the point of the mixture)


and then makes the jar inaccessible by making "bath tea bags" of dried flowers and more plain epsom salt and putting them on top of her mixture

- she keeps stuffing the teabags in there. Then she takes some flowers out of buckets and puts them in some smaller vases. Then she fucks up making popcorn and pours truffle oil on it and puts in it a little cellophane bag

and then puts some peanut butter pretzels in a little cellophane bag. She keeps autistically blurting out that she's got to pack it up because "this isn't my house" and she has to get it back, then at the end says "and here we go everything is ready for Daniel's visit" despite the fact she kept mentioning she needed to take it back and prep the room.
It's just so weird. I honestly suspect Meghan asked ChatGPT for a bunch of hostess ideas, got the crew to buy the supplies and then attempted to improvise everything on set without having ever practiced. Like she doesn't even know what to do with the corn cob.
 
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If I had to pin down what's so heinous about "American Riviera Orchard," I think it's like....

"Uh-MER-uh-can Rivvy-YER-uh OR-churd"
Its not (just) that: it's the fact that "American Riviera Orchard" is three ideas awkwardly kludged together with no particular grace (an apt metaphor for the Ginge and the Minge, if we're being honest.) "The" Rivieras are in France and Italy, if memory serves, two Mediterranean (not to mention Catholic) countries that really fuck with the "transatlantic royalty" brand.
 
She keeps autistically blurting out that she's got to pack it up because "this isn't my house" and she has to get it back, then at the end says "and here we go everything is ready for Daniel's visit" despite the fact she kept mentioning she needed to take it back and prep the room.
Oh my god. She's a young Hyacinth Bucket. Always pretending to be something she's not and completely out of her depth. She's even got the pretension about her name.

"Well then, Mrs... Markle."
"It's Sussex, dear!"

Like she doesn't even know what to do with the corn cob.
I wouldn't know what to do with Harry either.
 
Here's a clip.
It's presumably scripted as a "teachable moment", unless this is genuinely what Meghan is like 24/7, which is possible.
I have somehow managed to avoid both Suits and any clips of her talking until now (or at least my mind has bleached it from memory). Can feel my IQ dropping listening to her talk.
 
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