UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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spread happiness@p4leandp1nk
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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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https://twitter.com/pgofton/status/1080772793774624768

The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Kier Starmer]

Windsor Castle 2025.

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Bro, Liz, and Phil are spinning in their graves!

 

[CryptoHermit]

In other news, that fat little fgt Vance dissing the UK army and then pussying out like a bitch out by claiming "I wasn't talking about youuuuu" is the gayest fucking thing I've seen since Drag Race was last on. Even Farage is pushing his shit in over this

When they need soldiers who can do a proper job rather than hiding in a base with its own McDonalds it always is they call on.

Feeling attacked over someone mentioning a "random country that has not fought a war in 30 or 40 years" is the biggest own goal I've seen Bri'ish admit to yet.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Feeling attacked over someone mentioning a "random country that has not fought a war in 30 or 40 years" is the biggest own goal I've seen Bri'ish admit to yet.

An indirect insult is an insult all the same even if it is veiled and ambiguous from a pussy-ass gay-faced curry-eating fat yokel who probably doesn't know any better.
You don't talk down your friends like this unless they're not really your friends, wanna keep things special? Gotta treat us special, princess.

 

[Eekum Bokum]

Feeling attacked over someone mentioning a "random country that has not fought a war in 30 or 40 years" is the biggest own goal I've seen Bri'ish admit to yet.

I take exception to it just being wrong. We have fought a war in the last 30-40 years, multiple in fact.

 

[Otterly]

Britain is not an especially useful ally, it barely stands out from other forgettable European states purely for its (likely currently unusable) nuclear capacity.

We have a few interesting lines in intelligence, ‘special forces capability’ and Nukes. That’s about it.

Honestly I always wondered why the UK seems to keep slipping in any relevant netric. Is it because America is just too culturally dominant? Is it because the UK is ruled by retards? Is it just complacency? Shouldn't the ruling class know better?

Because we have been run into the floor for generations. Entire generations of our best men slaughtered in two world wars. Our manufacturing base decimated deliberately, our R and D base left to rot.flogging off the infrastructure. Importation if millions upon millions of low IQ and violent third worlders. The education system gutted - grammar schools allowed smarter poor kids to achieve social mobility. And a culture of mediocrity, low wages and high tax and nowadays all that amplified by DEI shit. It’s a deliberate decline. We are lions led by donkeys

Firstly Greggs news

That’s really nice. Approve of companies who do profit share. Will get an extra sossij roll next time I’m passing.

I am of the poor. If you don't hate the poor in this country, you don't know enough of them. There is no social policy and no incentive that will make them in any way interested in bettering themselves or their life chances. All that shit has already been tried.

But there has to be a ladder up. We have to have the possibility of people being able to get an education and improve . My lot were old fashioned poor - grew up in poverty through no real fault of their own. Plenty of stories of kids needing to get a job rather than go to school after the untimely death of a father down the pit or in a high risk job and then that’s your chances gone completely for that generation. They were poor but valued education and took care of us. There are still people like that and we have to have that path for them.
There are plenty who simply do not give a shit as well, and we can’t be giving them a free ride, but we have to have a basic safety net or we are back to workhouses and TPTB would LOVE workhouses and cap doffing and a return to 1906. Workhouses were not gotten rid of in the uk until 1920s - my grandparents remembered them vividly and the shame and horror the threat of it held over people. universal quality education, and a reformed benefit system, and the CSA having the power to jail people might help but it’s not getting better until society returns to a state where walking out on a family is a social taboo, and sleeping around and having multiple babies for bennies is demonised again. And where we have communities. There is no community when we are all ghettoised

 

[Lemures Primata]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/03/05/say-no-to-angela-rayners-islamic-blasphemy-law/

Angela Rayner, and Labour as a whole, pushing for more defined legal definitions of Islamophobia so they can crack down on anti-muslim hate.

Meanwhile, Angela Rayner, and Labour as a whole, also pushing for social causes completely antithetical to Islam.

What do these retards think is going to happen to their pet LBTQ projects when they make it illegal to act in an "islamophobic" manner? What are they going to do when their protected class of muslamists start violently protesting against gay marriage?

We have some really clever people running this country!

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Any legislation for anti-white hate? Any for Christianophobia?
No?
Well, that tells me who the most important class in Britain are.

Not that these changes make sense as they're already protected by hate speech laws and have extra protections at work. For example, you can be sued/taken to tribunal if you fire a muslim, because muslim is a protected religion under discrimination acts. Christianity isnt.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

I must admit, I do get a little laugh whenever I see a new History Debunked video go out.

Because Simon may be a boomer to his core, and is very dry to listen to, it is funny to see him become more and more radicalised as time goes on. Sadly he seems unaware of the meme, and did not proclaim that billions must die.

 

[the rat]

Any legislation for anti-white hate? Any for Christianophobia?
No?
Well, that tells me who the most important class in Britain are.

Not that these changes make sense as they're already protected by hate speech laws and have extra protections at work. For example, you can be sued/taken to tribunal if you fire a muslim, because muslim is a protected religion under discrimination acts. Christianity isnt.

Inshallah blud, christianity be the majority innit and not the minority and therefore it don need no protection yuw islamophobic bigot. Nah me bruv, give dem little whyte gurls uver tu us so tu repent for ur misdeeds brother.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

BBC Gaza propaganda update

Naturally a bunch of artists signed a letter shrieking that pulling Hamas propaganda is wrong.

https://archive.ph/bt5me

Dear Samir Shah, Tim Davie and Charlotte Moore,

We are UK-based film & TV professionals and journalists writing in support of the BBC documentary Gaza: How to Survive a War Zone, which aired on February 17 on BBC TWO and was subsequently made available on iPlayer. This film is an essential piece of journalism, offering an all-too-rare perspective on the lived experiences of Palestinian children living in unimaginable circumstances, which amplifies voices so often silenced. It deserves recognition, not politically motivated censorship.

Racist Assumptions & Weaponisation of Identity

A campaign has sought to discredit the documentary using the father of 14-year-old Abdullah Al-Yazouri, one of the film’s child protagonists. Dr Ayman Al-Yazouri served as Gaza’s Deputy Minister of Agriculture, a civil service role concerned with food production. Conflating such governance roles in Gaza with terrorism is both factually incorrect and dehumanising. This broad-brush rhetoric assumes that Palestinians holding administrative roles are inherently complicit in violence—a racist trope that denies individuals their humanity and right to share their lived experiences.
As industry professionals who craft stories for the British public, including for the BBC, we condemn the weaponisation of a child’s identity and the racist insinuation that Palestinian narratives must be scrutinised through a lens of suspicion. We urge you to reject these tactics, protect vulnerable voices, and reaffirm your commitment to stories that hold power to account. Our screens and our society depend on it.

Child Safeguarding & Ethical Standards

The letters of complaint disregard core safeguarding principles by demanding intrusive scrutiny of Abdullah’s background. Children must not be held responsible for the actions of adults, and weaponising family associations to discredit a child’s testimony is both unethical and dangerous. The BBC’s duty of care to Abdullah, and all minors in conflict zones, must prioritise their safety, privacy, and dignity. Publishing unverified claims about his family risks exposing him to harassment or harm, in direct violation of the BBC’s International Safeguarding Policy.
Beneath this political football are children who are in the most dire circumstances of their young lives. This is what must remain at the heart of this discussion. As programme-makers, we are extremely alarmed by the intervention of partisan political actors on this issue, and what this means for the future of broadcasting in this country.
The BBC’s Responsibility

We call on you to reject attempts to have the documentary permanently removed or subjected to undue disavowals. Capitulating to such attempts to block its reinstatement on iPlayer would signal that:

–Palestinian children’s stories are only valid if their families pass arbitrary “purity tests.”
–Racialised smears against Palestinians outweigh journalistic ethics and public interest.
–Independent filmmakers can be scapegoated and censored for political purposes.

The BBC is ultimately responsible for ensuring its programming meets editorial and compliance standards. Jamie Roberts and Yousef Hammash, of Hoyo Films, are experienced journalistic filmmakers who prioritised the safety of their contributors and production team.

Censorship & Intimidation

Calls to remove the documentary from iPlayer and social media set a dangerous precedent. As media professionals, we are extremely alarmed by the intervention of political actors, including foreign diplomats, and what this means for the future of broadcasting in this country.
If every documentary made in conflict zones were subjected to this level of politicised scrutiny regarding contributors, filmmaking in these areas would become virtually impossible.
Silencing a child’s firsthand account of survival in Gaza, where over 13,000 children have been killed since October 2023, is not about compliance but about erasing Palestinian suffering. The BBC must resist political pressure aimed at suppressing narratives that humanise Palestinians.
A broadcaster cannot allow bad-faith attacks to dictate its editorial decisions. Gaza: How to Survive a War Zone is an important, well-executed documentary that license-fee payers have the right to watch. The BBC should stand by it with confidence.
Yours sincerely

Some signatures Kiwi Farms will be unsurprised to see include Gary Linekar, Miriam Margolyes, Own Jones and India Willoughby.

BBC's been referred to counter terrorism, nothing will happen. The article also confirms the production company knew who the child was and who his father was.

https://archive.ph/vq8m2

It emerged last week that the Gaza film's child narrator was the son of Ayman Alyazouri, who has worked as Hamas' deputy minister of agriculture.
The BBC said on Thursday that the production company knew the boy’s father was a member of the Hamas government but did not tell them.
The company also paid the boy's mother via his sister's bank account.
Police are now considering whether further action needs to be taken.
A spokesperson for the Met police said on Friday: "We're aware of a BBC documentary about Gaza and we have received a number of reports raising concerns.
"Officers from the Met's Counter Terrorism Command are currently assessing whether any police action is required in relation to this matter."

It comes after Sir Keir Starmer said he was "concerned" by the show and that meetings will be taking place over it.
Speaking from the White House on Thursday, the Prime Minister was asked by LBC's Natasha Clarke about the controversial documentary - and whether he was concerned by the BBC's decision making.
He added meetings were scheduled between the government and the BBC and that he was "concerned about the programme in question".
Hours earlier, the corporation had apologised for the error, saying sorry for "serious flaws" in the making of the show.
The BBC said some flaws were made by the production company and others were made by itself - but all were "unacceptable".
The documentary will not be broadcast again in its current form or return to iPlayer, the BBC confirmed.
"BBC News takes full responsibility for these [flaws] and the impact that these have had on the corporation's reputation," a spokesperson said. "We apologise for this.
"Nothing is more important than the trust that our audiences have in our journalism.
"This incident has damaged that trust. While the intent of the documentary was aligned with our purpose - to tell the story of what is happening around the world, even in the most difficult and dangerous places - the processes and execution of this programme fell short of our expectations.
"Although the programme was made by an independent production company, who were commissioned to deliver a fully compliant documentary, the BBC has ultimate editorial responsibility for this programme as broadcast."

The BBC director-general has asked for an independent review into the making of the documentary to be expedited.
"Peter Johnston, the director of editorial complaints and reviews, is independent of BBC News and reports directly to the director-general," the spokesperson said.
"He will consider all of the complaints and issues that have been raised.
"He will determine whether any editorial guidelines have been broken; rapidly address the complaints that have been made; and enable the BBC to determine whether any disciplinary action is warranted in relation to shortcomings in the making of this programme.
"This will include issues around the use of language, translation and continuity that have also been raised with the BBC.
"We have no plans to broadcast the programme again in its current form or return it to iPlayer, and will make a further assessment once the work of Peter Johnston is complete."
In a separate statement, the BBC's board said mistakes made in producing the documentary were "significant and damaging to the BBC".

It comes after Israeli military spokesman David Mencer told LBC the BBC has serious questions to answer for airing the programme after it emerged one of the cameramen celebrated the October 7 terror attacks and that it featured the grandson of a senior Hamas figure.
He told Tom Swarbrick: "How is it possible [for] the BBC [to] pick children with Hamas ties? For heavens sake, the son of a Hamas minister, a Hamas founder.
"Did the BBC tell the viewers it was going to happen or did they conveniently leave it out? Why did the BBC use cameramen with alleged Hamas links?
'How is it possible that the BBC now are effectively a mouthpiece for a terrorist organisation which your own government considers as terrorists?"

Following the discovery about Abdullah Al-Yazouri, who speaks about what life is like in the territory amid the war between Israel and Hamas, the BBC later added a disclaimer to the programme and has since removed the film from its online catch-up service.
Mr Mencer has claimed that setting this programme aside, the BBC is still "constantly trying to divert the narrative to a narrative that is favourable to Hamas".
Currently, no BBC journalists, and indeed no foreign journalists, are allowed into Gaza.
When asked why Israel won't allow reporters in, Mr Mencer said: "The reality is, Hamas control almost everything which comes out of Gaza."
He added that Israel's priority is getting the remaining hostages out of Gaza rather than letting BBC journalists in, saying Hamas are a "genocidal organisation that are against free press".
Instead, the BBC decided to feature "important stories we think should be told – those of the experiences of children in Gaza" for the film, the organisation said in a statement.


Demonstrators protested the programme outside the BBC offices on Tuesday night, saying it was "a betrayal of licence fee payers”.
The BBC initially kept the documentary online with an added disclaimer before removing it from iPlayer while conducting further ‘due diligence’.
It is co-directed by Jamie Roberts, an Emmy-award-winning filmmaker, and Yousef Hammash, a Bafta-award-winning Palestinian journalist.
It was filmed by two cameramen which Mr Rawagh hired as an “additional camera.”Mr Rawagh’s tweets were uncovered by the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting and Analysis (Camera).
Gideon Falter, Chief Executive of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, told LBC News earlier: “There are children in Gaza who've appeared on a film.
"One of them is the son of a high ranking Hamas official. And how on earth can the BBC possibly already be sure that no money has gone over there?
"It just doesn't make sense, you know, why on earth would somebody pay £400,000 for this thing? "And what are we supposed to believe, that none of the people who appeared in the film are actually being paid for it? It just, it just sort of beggars belief.”
In a statement on Wednesday, Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy said she had discussed the documentary with Tim Davie in which she expressed her "deep concern" about the issues surrounding the film.
She added: "It is paramount that the investigation the BBC is conducting sheds light on what happened and who knew what when. I expect to be kept informed of the outcome of their investigation."
The BBC said in a statement: “Gaza: How to Survive a Warzone features important stories we think should be told – those of the experiences of children in Gaza. There have been continuing questions raised about the programme and in the light of these, we are conducting further due diligence with the production company. The programme will not be available on iPlayer while this is taking place.”

The government meeting with them was naturally a complete nothing. Though Shah did remind them of how important it is to keep the propaganda going.

https://archive.ph/fCGxG

The BBC's director general told MPs he decided to pull a documentary from iPlayer about children's lives in Gaza because he "lost trust" in it.
The BBC has already apologised over "serious flaws" in the making of Gaza: How to Survive a War Zone, after it emerged its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas official.
Tim Davie said he removed the film while concerns raised about the boy's connections to Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation in the UK - were investigated.
The independent company behind the film has said it asked if the boy had any Hamas connections but none were disclosed. The BBC has also said the corporation should have done more to uncover the link.

​

Davie said on Tuesday the BBC had received about 500 complaints that the film was biased against Israel and another 1,800 over its removal from iPlayer.
Hoyo Films, the independent company that made the documentary for the BBC, has said it is "cooperating fully" with the BBC to "help understand where mistakes have been made".
The initial internal review by the BBC found Hoyo had paid a member of the boy's family "a limited sum of money for the narration".
Concerns were raised when it aired last month because it centred on a boy called Abdullah - who it later transpired is the son of Hamas's deputy minister of agriculture.
"There were specific concerns – specific questions – about the father of the boy. And as we dug into it, we found out we were not told," Davie told the Culture, Media and Sport select committee on Tuesday.
"There is a lot of frustration and disappointment. We're very sorry to the audience," he said.
Davie continued: "If you're asked a number of times [about the boy's family] and that question was not answered [by Hoyo Films]... that is basics.
"And at the end of the day, as editor in chief, I have to be secure, not only editorially where the film was at, but the making of that film.
"And at that point, quite quickly, I lost trust in that film and therefore I took decision to take it off iPlayer while we do this deep dive."
He said the decision had "nothing to do with one side or the other" in the Israel-Gaza conflict, adding that the corporation did not "bow to lobbies".
Davie said Hoyo Films had written to the BBC to say that no money had been given to Hamas but a "forensic analysis" would be taking place into what happened.
"As I understand it today, the BBC has only made one payment to the programme maker to make the film," he said.
Asked whether the documentary could return to iPlayer following the conclusion of the investigation, the director general said he was not "ruling anything out".
He explained that it was a "very difficult decision" and a "very hard situation" for the BBC to find itself in.
"There was absolutely legitimate journalism to be done and the voices of those children in Gaza is absolutely something we need to hear - that's what makes it frankly frustrating where we are."
He said the broadcaster had a "rich and important current affairs history" in the Middle East and the documentary maker had a "great reputation".
"Overall, I am proud of the way we're covering some of these polarised, fiendishly difficult events where many of our journalists, as you know, are under enormous pressure, ferocious lobbying, and it's been extremely difficult," he said.

Hundreds of media figures signed a letter last week criticising its removal from the BBC's streaming platform.
In a letter to the BBC on Monday, Ofcom chairman Lord Grade said the regulator could step in if an internal inquiry into the making of the documentary was not satisfactory.
Samir Shah, chairman of the BBC, told the committee it was right the broadcaster was being allowed to "do our job".
Describing questions over the Gaza documentary as a "dagger to the heart" of the BBC's reputation as impartial and trustworthy, the chairman added: "We will get to the bottom of it and take the appropriate action."
Shah also called for a separate, wider independent review of the broadcaster's coverage of the Middle East.
Elsewhere, Channel 4 News admitted the same boy featured in parts of its daily news coverage of the Israel-Gaza conflict, but said his appearances represented a "handful of minutes across hundreds of hours".
A range of other topics were also discussed at the committee on Tuesday:

• Gregg Wallace - an external review into complaints about the former MasterChef host by the show's production company is expected in "weeks not months"
• Huw Edwards - the BBC has not yet been able to recover any salary from the former broadcaster since he left after being convicted of possessing indecent images of children
• Licence fee reform - a number of options are being considered to reform how the BBC drives its revenue, but general taxation and advertising and subscription models have been ruled out
• Licence fee enforcement - Shah said he found it "troubling" how not paying the fee was a criminal offence, but Davie said "effective enforcement" was needed which could be aided in future by new technology
• Role of the BBC - Shah said the case for the BBC was "stronger than ever" - to tackle misinformation and bring the nation together for collective moments

 

[Lemures Primata]

https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/1897179344289902709

Another classic from brother Sadiq Khan. He literally thinks that going to Oxford and working as a banker makes someone English.

These people just don't get it, and they never will.

 

[FedPostalService]

College students like it should have been.

No one has ever been able to answer why we are importing foreigners to do the jobs I did when I was a student.

 

[isalaide]

https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/1897179344289902709

Another classic from brother Sadiq Khan. He literally thinks that going to Oxford and working as a banker makes someone English.

These people just don't get it, and they never will.

what do you expect from Fraser Nelson, a traitor to his class and his country, who would chop off his own cock and eat it if it would make him English like he longs for

 

[A-Logato]

I must admit, I do get a little laugh whenever I see a new History Debunked video go out.

Because Simon may be a boomer to his core, and is very dry to listen to, it is funny to see him become more and more radicalised as time goes on. Sadly he seems unaware of the meme, and did not proclaim that billions must die.

I like Simon but you can really tell that he knows he hasn't got long left and what will be left of this country when he passes sickens him.

Though if I was 70/80 years old and in my twilight years and soon I will have 2 nig nogs posing as care workers coming into my house to steal all my stuff and leave me at the bottom of the stairs after I fall. Then I'd also be getting more and more red pilled by the day.

 

[isalaide]

But there has to be a ladder up. We have to have the possibility of people being able to get an education and improve . My lot were old fashioned poor - grew up in poverty through no real fault of their own. Plenty of stories of kids needing to get a job rather than go to school after the untimely death of a father down the pit or in a high risk job and then that’s your chances gone completely for that generation. They were poor but valued education and took care of us. There are still people like that and we have to have that path for them.
There are plenty who simply do not give a shit as well, and we can’t be giving them a free ride, but we have to have a basic safety net or we are back to workhouses and TPTB would LOVE workhouses and cap doffing and a return to 1906. Workhouses were not gotten rid of in the uk until 1920s - my grandparents remembered them vividly and the shame and horror the threat of it held over people. universal quality education, and a reformed benefit system, and the CSA having the power to jail people might help but it’s not getting better until society returns to a state where walking out on a family is a social taboo, and sleeping around and having multiple babies for bennies is demonised again. And where we have communities. There is no community when we are all ghettoised

This is where you and I affectionately part company. You still believe in the concept of the honest and respectable poor. I get it. I am sure my great grandparents and grandparents knew some people who were honest and respectable and lived alongside them. We obviously weren't those people, but I absolutely believe they existed, and I know you've said you come from people like that.

I do not hand on heart believe they exist any more. I do not believe there is some upright poor-but-honest salt-of-the-earth backbone-of-Britain white lower working class any more. The bottom quintile of the UK population is exactly what the American cousins call ghetto niggers, except they are white. If someone can explain to me how being born in Possil is not being born into the ghetto, and how housing zoning for housing authority lets is not ghettoisation, I have the SIMD map to show you. The fucking government keeps a careful visual record of where all the poor people live. Those are ghettos. Those areas have measurably worse life expectancy, educational attainment, health inequalities, the whole fucking show. This nation has ghettos. It has brown ghettos aye, and those are nice and easy to point to and talk about culture and race being the reason, but I want some cunt to explain to me how it is that there are white ghettos everywhere I look, and they have been there for decades, and magically that problem couldn't be solved.

And I am sure you are right, and back in Ye Olden Days of the mill towns of Cowsick-oop-t-Lamprey or wherever there was a 'sense of community', but there's no fucking sense of community in a place where all of you need a tenner now to score. It's not fucking possible. There is no sense of community in places where you're in one gang and your cousin is in another because they live three streets over. This is the reality of the modern British poorfag. You are not a community. You are each others' marks and victims. The person who is going to knife you has known you since you were in the council nursery together. Look, I know most of you are respectable people and came from respectable people. I did not. Disreputable people do not build communities with each other, what we do is we fucking rob each other. We don't all go down the mine together, we go to the same fucking dealer and that is light years of distance.

The Beveridge Report was born in the forties. That is eighty fucking years of a comprehensive cradle to grave welfare state with educational ladders and all the "opportunities for advancement" that could be devised and thrown at them. The harsh truth my love is that every poor person in Britain who has those 'respectable values' or "wanted to do better for themselves" has already fucking done so. What's left is literally Jeremy Kyle guests and pakis. What's left down there are the fucking ferals and the spastics. It's not pulling up the ladder when there's no one down there who could climb it. And it is the prevailing sin and failing of the middle class of the UK to remember an ancient deceased family member "who came from nothing and was a hard working man" and think that the social values of Sikeside a hundred fucking years ago have any relevance to what Sikeside is like now.

The past is a different country. And it's been wiped off the map. You can't "go back to traditional values" because the people who held those values no longer fucking exist. They migrated to the lower middle class and what's left now is proper junkie dole scum bred from proper junkie scum three and four generations now. The reality of the poor in the UK is that they are no hopers. Every billion that has been thrown at them, the Thatcher billions, New Labour billions, the Shameron billions, none of it has worked because it can't work. There are no 'poor clever kids who need grammar schools'. There's only bams with mild FAS who are three and four generations' worth of pure sub-90 IQ breeding. There are no smart, well regulated, well supported, motivated kids to find there.

They don't need ladders. The last fucking thing they need is more liberty. They need the fucking workhouse. They need the security of not being able to go off the fucking rails. They need meals instead of smack and lager and the lights kept on instead of taken to the bookies. It would be better than how they live now. The health and life expectancy of C2DE men in Scotland is measurably improved by the length of time they were jailed. The poor live in such a fashion now the fucking Bar-L is a health spa. They have been given too many choices. Too many opportunities. All they have done is fuck up and waste them and it is all they are going to do until the thinking part of the populace has enough fucking pity on them to forcibly straighten them out for a couple generations.

Then there might be something to salvage. Right now, there is no fucking dignity dying in your own piss in the B&B accommodation from your liver failure. That right there, that's not dignity or opportunities, that is the total fucking abrogation of responsibility for the incompetent by those who are comfortable and have the comfort of ignoring what the fuck it is actually like out there for those who don't have a pot to piss in.

The way the poor are treated in the UK is the exact same fucking brain failure that makes old women feed feral stray cat colonies. Enables them to keep bringing kittens into the world to die of violence and disease and cruelty and starvation rather than take the hard but humane decision to bring this fucking chain of misery to an end. I do not support this. This is the same shit I have seen my entire fucking life, my parents saw their entire fucking life, my friend's kids are seeing now. I had to go see a very old friend today. I had to pay off her fucking loan sharks, again, because she never fucking learns and I cannot let the consequences catch up to them and sleep well at night. Then I had to buy food. Make her shower the weans and herself so we could leave the flat. New clean clothes that actually fit the weans. Fucking lice treatment. Shoes. Get fucking cleaners in because god knows that place needs a clean. Call the pharmacy because the wee one clearly has fucking impetigo and it's infected and she needs antibiotics before she's no fucking face left. I am angry that this person who fundamentally cannot look after herself any better than she could when we were five has been allowed to have four fucking weans and bring them into this fucking life of misery. I am beyond angry that this is presented by our government as some kind of dignity and freedom. The freedom to endure misery is not fucking freedom.

 

[Roast Chicken]

You could have millions of youngish adults in UK die and it be a positive benefit to society. The undergrowth needs cut back. There'll be a lot less whining about tfw no gf and muh vidya once enough of them have had their bloody legs blown off.

FFS you are no ally this is the third time you've stated how much you despise the underlings in society - we are not a massive island, the two world wars left a considerable dent in our populace genetically.

You may despise the tattooed tracksuits pushing prams in the town centre but they're still ours; descended from generations of working Brits.

If you get rid of even more pur genetic pool will shrink even further and any small bits of promise that float among the ocean of slovenliness and apathy will be left rotting away on a muddy field in Slavic Bumfuck.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

I think you are both arguing at cross purposes. A friend in Africa for tax reasons put it in context for me.
Britain is for the taking.

The shops, the affordable housing, benefits, the utilities. All of it, take what you can, the locals don't matter. With that it mind it's clear how we've gone from a high to low trust society.

Looked at it through that lens it makes sense to bring in immigrants to lower the cost of the job you used to do. To get a buy to let mortgage to rent out a flat the size of the first one you bought. To tell the council you're only working 16 hours a week for the benefits while motability covers the cost of a new taxi every 3 years or pump kids out while one of the dads works cash in hand.

The result is what you disagree over.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

oh look the cUK guberment has released new sentencing guidelines for for judges as of April 1st

oh look the guidelines force heavier prison sentences for white males and less sentences for...well anyone who is not a white male. If your a pajeet, if your a "minority", if your a troon or if your a woman.

Way to go Britbongs with putting Labor into power. I'm sure your not going to regret that one.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.u...nd-custodial-sentences-overarching-guideline/

When considering a community or custodial sentence, the court must request and consider a pre-sentence report (PSR) before forming an opinion of the sentence if the court considers that one or more of the following may apply to the offender:

• has disclosed they are transgender
• has or may have any addiction issues
• has or may have a serious chronic medical condition or physical disability, or mental ill health, learning disabilities (including developmental disorders and neurodiverse conditions) or brain injury/damage
• or; the court considers that the offender is, or there is a risk that they may have been, a victim of:
  
  • domestic abuse, physical or sexual abuse, violent or threatening behaviour, coercive or controlling behaviour, economic, psychological, emotional or any other abuse
  • modern slavery or trafficking, or
  • coercion, grooming, intimidation or exploitation.

So yah if your just an average white male cUK your going to get a heavier sentence then anyone else. My advice if you have the misfortune to be British is to start trooning out as soon as possible to protect yourself. It's only a matter of time until they start rounding up white males because they are just so damn racist they need to be contained to protect the rest of the real

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

I am a m2m troon (2 cycles of test will do please), addicted to (maga) winning and am neurodivergent of the mainstream news who have been coercively controlled me during the covid scamdemic.

And I would shit in that cops hat again with 0 guilt.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Interesting. Trafficking means every illegal immigrant is covered there. It's sounding like the Canada model. It also puts all the "muh autism, muh mental health," we've seen in recent sentencing into perspective. Bear in mind Huw Edwards got a lighter sentence due to that, so it is being used to protect pedos.