Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Not sure if I'm skirting the recent thread rules here by saying this (mods delete my shit if you need to) but someone really needs to decide what kind of case they actually want to litigate. Harassment or intellectual property infringement? Pick one.

Also the "I'm just a retard your honor" defence makes me so fucking MATI, YOU chose to file pro se fuckhead, that doesn't absolve you of due diligence and punctuality with court deadlines. Fuck man.

This is beyond "I'm just a widdle pro se litigant; I can't be held accountable for not knowing law stuff.". This is pure "I refuse to be bound by procedure (and substance) because I am unwilling to be." What's striking is that it's impossible to tell if he really believes in what he's arguing or if he's trying to game it. On the one hand: utter retardation; on the other hand: laaaaahs. Why not both, indeed.

And did he leave off half his filing? Because the grandmaster of chess left half the board exposed.

If he ever submits that motion would a bad faith motion for sanctions itself be considered sanctionable conduct?

He's been told repeatedly that the SPO wasn't violated so if he does go ahead and file it there should be some consequences. Although with this court it will likely be a strongly weakly worded denial.

A denial is a denial. And the rulings have largely been precise rather than weak.

That's because he already addressed the accusations of lying about witnesses, so he assumes it's moot and he doesn't need to respond again.

IF he were a lawyer, this would be malpractice. As it is, he may or may not get those prior arguments considered, but it's a loser either way.

 

[RodgerDodger]

You say that, but Trump's Congress is starting to write up articles of impeachment against some judges.

How well did that work out when the Senate Impeached Federal Judge Alcee Hastings and removed him from the bench for soliciting bribes? he spent the rest of his life, until the day he died in the US House of Representatives.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

You say that, but Trump's Congress is starting to write up articles of impeachment against some judges.

To be precise I was referring to the jury and jury nullification. Juries can and DO disregard facts that they were told to not question.

Though even more precisely, the jury cannot be punished for a verdict, but only an innocent can't be overturned. The jury could decide someone is guilty af and the judge decide to let them go.

This will almost never have a chance of occurring because the case is usually thrown out beforehand.

Judges can get punished eventually if they go batshit, either by losing an election if elected-type or being impeached. The "normal" way a judge fuckup is "punished" is on appeal.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

He's such a spoiled brat. He  said he wanted the names protected, so that means he doesn't have to read the SPO or follow the procedures for it, Hardin and the court should do all the work for him, he's just a poor little IFP retard! Shut up, Shit Lips.

 

[Gorton Colu]

What a line,

....it was Plaintiff's opinion, based on facts....

It is my opinion, based on facts, that Rusty is an idiot.

In general, if you "defame" someone, say it's an opinion, but claim that it's based on facts, is that contradictory?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

In general, if you "defame" someone, say it's an opinion, but claim that it's based on facts, is that contradictory?

I don't see why. If I say that Tomlinson is swatting himself, that's an opinion; opinion I developed after observing all the facts available to me. Certain opinions may very well be defamatory, but that's a different issue entirely

 

[oh no its pipkun]

If you're expressing a fact, that has to be decided by the jury, right?

Before you get to the jury the judge has to make certain there are enough facts for a jury to decide if the fact matters or not. <---- here for 4 years, almost 5 now.

How can Greer keep rationalizing this? Is he even rationalizing it? Does he even believe the things he’s saying?

"The court is misunderstanding greer's point and if they would listen to him explain the issue at hand they will see that greer brings up a good point, actually." Lots of idiots think like this. Especially when you're writing them up for a work violation. idiots never understand that explaining 'why" a violation doesn't matter as much as the fact that a violation occurred. most of the time you can say i don't give a fuck about why it happened and there's no recourse for the idiot. but this is a court with an appeals process (that greer won once) so its all kid's gloves now.

You say that, but Trump's Congress is starting to write up articles of impeachment against some judges.

The GOP senate doesn't have the majority to impeach any judges at the moment (doesn't have the 60 to stop filibusters either). maybe after midterms but i'm guessing senate will go back down to 50/50. either way, nothing will happen to the federal judges.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

You say that, but Trump's Congress is starting to write up articles of impeachment against some judges.

Oh noes, not articles of impeachment that will probably never even be vooted on, much less passed. Wake me up when a prosecutor files a single indictment (FARA violation would be the absolute easiest method) against a judge. Anyway, I didn't mean to get political, but it's irritating that more people are like Null and feel like they have something to lose, rather than like me who know that they don't.

At least I guess it's better that he's just slowly hemorrhaging money, rather than facing prison or some shit.

 

[The Un-Clit]

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It's like a joke

What. An. IDIOT!!

I really do not comprehend the dream world Russhole lives in. He cannot possibly believe that pro-se tard armour is still going to protect him this far into the process with the protective order after the judge specifically sent him the details....can he?

Mormon God needs to curse with black skin in his next life the cruel bastard that put the idea in the Bamboon's head that he should go to law school and become a paralegal, as well as whomever approved him to enter the course in the first place!

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Now Russ'tard is going to try to sanction Hardin? For what? Defending his clients interests? For Farmers reading the court case documents?

Four years ago he yelled at Based Skordas for the exact same thing.

I've seen no indication of any user posting correspondence with Greer or anyone associated with him. I have no idea what he hopes to accomplish by yelling at my counsel.

This case is public and we are free to discuss it. Furthermore, since the case involves "Kiwi Farms, a website," the users have a stake in the outcome of the case.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Beating a dead horse, but I'd like to point out Greer is once again asserting something as FACTS by citing an email he sent.





Weird how a professional attorney takes the judge's opinion on legal matters, instead of the pro se retard who doesn't bother reading orders.

At least Acerthorn lies about some other cited case or precedent to support his stupid claims. Russ can't even crack open Google Scholar to try and defend himself. But the whole response is barely 1.5 pages, maybe he's resigned himself to at least one loss.

 

[thebigdream]

This is beyond "I'm just a widdle pro se litigant; I can't be held accountable for not knowing law stuff.". This is pure "I refuse to be bound by procedure (and substance) because I am unwilling to be." What's striking is that it's impossible to tell if he really believes in what he's arguing or if he's trying to game it. On the one hand: utter retardation; on the other hand: laaaaahs. Why not both, indeed.

My theory is that, yes he's obviously retarded, but he also recognises in his little tard-brain that because the judge has afforded him considerable leeway before, there's always a chance that his inane motions will land or at least exhaust their energy enough to prevent them from realising that he has no case, and worse, has been involved in sanctionable conduct. He's been given everything to gain by filing nonsense, and until the recent sanction, nothing to lose. That's the essential problem - it has been made advantageous for Greer to continue litigation that is fundamentally meritless, creating an absurdity where Greer must keep up the appearances of doing something that all know to be impossible. He is tard-Sisyphus rolling an imaginary boulder of his own creation.

This situation is precisely the reason why courts need to be uncompromising with pro-se litigants, like Judge Havas was in the Taylor Swift case. The moment you start bending the rules for them is the moment the court loses all decorum, because unless the pro-se litigant is actually knowledgeable in practicing law, they don't know how to efficiently pursue a case and rely on the judge's rigour to channel them towards an outcome. This judge isn't channeling so much as sitting at their chair with a newspaper, occasionally glancing over it and saying 'good job Russ, keep it up' without seeing the mess he's created.

 

[AnOminous]

The horseshit you are drooling is not "an opinion". The order was either violated or it wasn't.

The judge has already explicitly told Russtard that it wasn't. The judge has explicitly directed Russtard to a video explaining how the protective order works. The Russtard has simply ignored the judge's explicit rulings on the subject.

This is pure vexatious litigation.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

This judge isn't channeling so much as sitting at their chair with a newspaper, occasionally glancing over it and saying 'good job Russ, keep it up' without seeing the mess he's created.

I think this is what you get with a pro se retard that the judge doesn't feel has a case. It's not an official situation that the judge reviews the documents and decides to let the retard go forward, but that's the practical result.

The usual thing the judge does is mercy-kill a pro-se retard case that's actually retarded. But that has been blocked.

The judge has already explicitly told Russtard that it wasn't. The judge has explicitly directed Russtard to a video explaining how the protective order works. The Russtard has simply ignored the judge's explicit rulings on the subject.

The retard got away with not following the rules but having the judge discern the "emanations and penumbras" to borrow a phrase that he has learned that he doesn't have to DO anything according to rules as long as he makes his desires known in some way. But he didn't realize that discovery is part of the process where the rules are suddenly iron-clad.

It's literally something a parent has to learn - if you help your kid too much when things are "easy" and it doesn't matter, when they finally run into the real world they have to learn a lot, really fast. The most famous example of this is when your kid is smart and king of the world in high school, and then they get to college and everyone is smarter and better than they are.

Russ really doesn't like it when the real world comes crashing down, and it's begun.

 

[AnOminous]

The most famous example of this is when your kid is smart and king of the world in high school, and then they get to college and everyone is smarter and better than they are.

Except Russtard was a gimp-faced retard at every point in his life and remains one still.

 

[Old English Roast Beef]

Greer and Stebbins both seem to think an appropriate reply to an assertion something is not true is to add the word "indeed" and repeat what they've previously said.

 

[Jacknife]

One would hope that this will be the straw that breaks the camels back but I think the judge will just blink really fast and slap denied on this, none of them talking about it again

 

[D. Krauser]

I mean honestly if I was the judge I would be unhappy. You go out of your way to show Greer how to do things and offer to clarify if needed. You even have a video to help pro se retards.
But he ignores that, ignores the contents and procedures of the spo, and ignores what you have already said on this matter. The amount of disrespect in this double down is crazy.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Let's not overlook what is by far the best part of the filing:

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

I mean honestly if I was the judge I would be unhappy. You go out of your way to show Greer how to do things and offer to clarify if needed. You even have a video to help pro se retards.
But he ignores that, ignores the contents and procedures of the spo, and ignores what you have already said on this matter. The amount of disrespect in this double down is crazy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the magistrate move to hurt Mr. Greer with sanctions that showed that the gloves are off now, but the magistrate's boss overruled his sanctions and selected an arbitrary low amount and still Russell cried and said he will appeal it?

Mr. Greer is a incompetent feral animal and he bites any hand offered, whether it be to help or to hinder.