Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[#lurker]

What exactly is this flip flopping meant to accomplish? Is there anyone on any side that is happy about this "strategy"?
The sooner we don't have to hear about this retard the better.

 

[Mettaur]

He's not playing cards!

You're right he's playing Chess.

 

[AloneTard]

It's pretty clear Zelenskyy folds early and bets immediately every time. Like he's clearly given short term guarantees that make him overly excited enough to drop Trump and then he has to walk back to him only for him to do the same thing over and over.

Like a cokehead would do.

 

[AllieKat]

Ukraine is so fucked wtf. I hope by the end of this Zelenskyy is dead so he can't profit off all the billions he inured into off-shore manions and bank accounts.

You have an opportunity to do something very funny .....sharing this opinion in the other thread. They'll be tickled pink.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

It's pretty clear Zelenskyy folds early and bets immediately every time. Like he's clearly given short term guarantees that make him overly excited enough to drop Trump and then he has to walk back to him only for him to do the same thing over and over. It's really shocking people refer to him as a great leader when he clearly has no tact.

He's struggling with a shitty position, even if you set aside the active risk of being bombed to death. He's not great at statecraft, and seems to think himself to be on equal footing with the friendly nations he's interacting with. This is demonstrably untrue, and he's clearly being treated like a toddler - having promises made that they have no real intention to keep, because it makes him cooperate in the moment, and he can't do anything meaningful when they renege on their half later.

The only reason he's getting as much attention as he is right this second is because European politicians have seized on Trumps action as a chance to build up their ego and position in the public view by opposing him, even if they can't meaningfully do anything. See the Brits, loudly screaming they'll defend a Ukrainian peace deal with british troops on the ground, then quietly adding in that its only valid if American troops back it up. Its all performative, all for show, and Big Z doesn't seem to be able to differentiate showmanship from actual policy. Worse, he's taking everything he's being told in private at face value - see meeting with dem senators before talking to Trump, and suddenly thinking he can talk shit in what was supposed to be a publicity document signing.

Much of this probably comes from the inflated ego of how the worlds been praising and presenting him, but he's still ultimately accountable for letting it blind him. Bro made the mistake of trusting people who can benefit from his fall as much as his rise.

 

[Null]

You have an opportunity to do something very funny .....sharing this opinion in the other thread. They'll be tickled pink.

yes it's very funny to use my administrative privilege to shit up containment threads i myself set up, fuckhead

 

[Average Russian Spy]

You have an opportunity to do something very funny .....sharing this opinion in the other thread. They'll be tickled pink.

He would need to ban himself from the thread after.

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

You're right he's playing Chess.

The dude is continuously juggling between pissing off internal foes that could have him assassinated and external foes that could have him assassinated based on whatever he thinks will help him in that moment

Clearly he is playing Russian roulette

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

When Zelensky is finally killed the conspiracy theories will be worse than the JFK assassination and we will probably never know who really did it. There are probably a half-dozen different state intelligence services with plans to off him in a way that looks like one of the others did it.

 

[Aidan]

When Zelensky is finally killed the conspiracy theories will be worse than the JFK assassination and we will probably never know who really did it. There are probably a half-dozen different state intelligence services with plans to do it in a way that looks like one of the others did it.

And Ukraine's own are high up on that list.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

And Ukraine's own are high up on that list.

That's best-case since they'll likely take credit for it. Proudly.

 

[AloneTard]

yes it's very funny to use my administrative privilege to shit up containment threads i myself set up, fuckhead

I know you think that’s an argument against doing it but it just sounds funnier when you put it that way.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

When Zelensky is finally killed the conspiracy theories will be worse than the JFK assassination and we will probably never know who really did it. There are probably a half-dozen different state intelligence services with plans to off him in a way that looks like one of the others did it.

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I've got three predictions of how it will go down.
1: Zelensky is abducted by Ultranationalists (AZOV, or something similar) and is deemed a traitor, then executed in some gross, dimly lit basement, where as then the footage is released.
2: He is murdered in broad daylight by some vengeful rogue soldier who lost a son/father after they were drafted, or perhaps they themselves were crippled. Russia is blamed.
3: He is quietly picked off while outside of the country. Details of his sudden death are kept under wraps until they finally release it was a "heart attack". Russia is blamed.

 

[White_N]

Ukraine is so fucked wtf. I hope by the end of this Zelenskyy is dead so he can't profit off all the billions he inured into off-shore manions and bank accounts.

Can we have a poll voting for either the Ngo Dinh Diem or Ashraf Ghani route?

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

I've got three predictions of how it will go down.
1: Zelensky is abducted by Ultranationalists (AZOV, or something similar) and is deemed a traitor, then executed in some gross, dimly lit basement, where as then the footage is released.
2: He is murdered in broad daylight by some vengeful rogue soldier who lost a son/father after they were drafted, or perhaps they themselves were crippled. Russia is blamed.
3: He is quietly picked off while outside of the country. Details of his sudden death are kept under wraps until they finally release it was a "heart attack". Russia is blamed.

Russia will be blamed in the first scenario too.

I'm seeing the decline of Europe blamed on Green New Deal (now being rebranded to Clean Industry) and they're saying the Russians actally pushed it. The same people are loud supporters of further EU integration and of von der Leyen, who is a chief figure in pushing the GND, which they claim is a Russian weapon... it's insane. These people are incapable of cognition and therefore of cognitive dissnance, it's a survival mechanism for them, because otherwise their heads would have to immediately explode.

 

[EscapeVorkuta]

Not a fan of the Ukrainian government nor the extremist elements in their armed forces but at some point the West and its leaders need to be held accountable for the sacrifice of so many young Ukrainian lives.

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

Not a fan of the Ukrainian government nor the extremist elements in their armed forces but at some point the West and its leaders need to be held accountable for the sacrifice of so many young Ukrainian lives.

Agreed. If it wasn't for their NGOs, sending the kids of the Banderites they smuggled out during the 50's back to their homeland to spread their treacherous death cult and propping up a corrupt political class of useful idiots Ukraine would be to Russia what Kiwis are to Aussies (annoying little brothers who you make jokes about but still like deep down).

Failing that then at least they wouldn't have been pushed into poking the bear to provoke an invasion that the experts assured the glowies giving them paychecks would collapse Russia by 2023

 

[Screamer_2]

One thing that I keep thinking of is the conditions for them to do a false flag attack to avoid peace are pretty strong right now.

 

[Total Annihilation]

They're so obsessed with the mythologizing of WW2 and the constant comparisons the media makes towards Ukraine and WW2. They're terrified of being called out for "not supporting Ukraine" and being compared to Trump.

The whole UK and France wanting to send their forces into Ukraine to fight Russia confuses me.
If they go ahead and do this I have a few ideas for outcomes:
1. They send in a large "advisor" force (apart from the ones there already). These advisors are there to help "advise", but they go into combat and eventually get withered out (fighting is similar to trench warfare with drones and such, against an experienced and combat hardened force backed by a large country, not a bunch of rag tag sandniggers - who BTFO'd them too). They might bitch and moan about article 5 meme, but since they're advisors... well it's not technically war or whatever.
2. They send in troops to join the war effort. The troops get wiped out faster, probably due to them going into action sooner (perhaps some refuse and/or go AWOL); they'd probably scream about article 5, but I doubt The USA would want to get involved under The Trump admin (apart from some rouge glowies).
3. They continue to bitch and moan (hopefully this outcome, as it's not sacrificing more of your men for the meatgrinder).

The other thing I'd wonder about is if they send in troops, and perhaps even if not, would the USA freeze exports to their countries. IIRC natural gas and propane supplied to Europe mostly comes from Norway and the USA. Obviously I don't see Norway cutting off their supplies, but if the USA did, then it could cause major financial issues. Here in the states, we will be having economic issues that will probably get worse for the foreseeable future; yet if Western Europe (mainly UK and France) decide to go full retard, then they would suffer massively if the USA were to ban, or heavily restrict exports to their countries. Then again Western Europe's leaders have been retarded for quite some time now.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

2. They send in troops to join the war effort. The troops get wiped out faster, probably due to them going into action sooner (perhaps some refuse and/or go AWOL); they'd probably scream about article 5, but I doubt The USA would want to get involved under The Trump admin (apart from some rouge glowies).

Turkey tried this shit when they FAFO'd in Syria and got told to shut up, your foreign adventures going south does not count as "defense." So there's a solid precedent for Trump saying "no" beyond even the obvious "global thermonuclear war bad, mmmmkay?"

The real danger, I think, is the Brits going full retard on the assumption that they can either psyop or gayop us into joining on their side like we did the last two times.