Has the world "loli" always had pedo connotations? - Aw here it goes

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Kubrick said that Lolita is the only film he ever regretted making

It is definitely one of those things that should not be replicated or duplicated in any way.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Could it all be related to the fact that porn is becoming a bigger part of people's lives with each passing year? Terminally online degenerates set all the trends these days.

Remember, remember, the "adult woman fetish" coomer.

 

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"It's just a prank, bro." I'm not above a joke here and there, but I've seen people permanently banned in my short time here for merely "joking" about it.

It'd be one thing if they found his secret tumblr account or something and there was history that people were referencing. But outside of using random (possibly ai generated) anime girls as his avatar, that's the extent of anything I've even seen of him + girl or even him + anime.

The random screaming at him in threads he's trying to talk in gets real fucking old, and it's an old something awful goon trick to harass people, they used it quite effectively against furries back in the day (before one of the furry commission sites compared notes and doxed the SA mods for paying for staggering amounts of furry porn).

And it's not his fault, it's the fault of the people who want everyone else to see what a good person they are for directing the proper 2 minutes of hate towards the designated target of the era. Last decade it was "transphobes," now you get your goodboy points for screaming at Anime fans if you can use twisted tumblr logic to call them a pedo. I'm not kidding when I say they've called college girls with double H cup breasts -- breasts bigger than her head -- "pedo bait." They even caused an international incident with that, pretending to be Japanese citizens outraged that the Red Cross was doing a blood drive, causing them to cancel the most successful blood drive campaign in Japanese history early because they didn't want to piss some bald jew faggot in Seattle who happens to know how to use DeepL.

Hell people have even followed him to his profile page to make damned sure everyone looking on knows just what good people they are for taking a stance against something he never professed a belief in. It's the kinda shit I'd expect to see on Twitter or Reddit, not the farms.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

It'd be one thing if they found his secret tumblr account or something and there was history that people were referencing. But outside of using random (possibly ai generated) anime girls as his avatar, that's the extent of anything I've even seen of him + girl or even him + anime.

This is a fair point.

The random screaming at him in threads he's trying to talk in gets real fucking old, and it's an old something awful goon trick to harass people, they used it quite effectively against furries back in the day (before one of the furry commission sites compared notes and doxed the SA mods for paying for staggering amounts of furry porn).

The problem with him, in particular, is he does not even make interesting or novel points. At least, not in my opinion. In USPG2, his takes remind a lot of people (myself included) of stuff that gets regurgitated in HuffPo articles or on The View. Then, when people criticize him, he calls everyone a Trumptard. It gets sort of old. There are people like @Fatpacks who post critically of Trump in the thread without turning it into a flame war and without getting threadbanned.

 

[DJ Grelle]

How the hell did this book become such an influence?

Nabokov is just a very good writer.
Top three non native English prose writers easily.
The book itself isn't a pro pedophilia screed either (closer to the opposite, the feeling of disgust at what kind of person Humbert is is very well elicited).

 

[TarragonRespecter]

This is the most correct, the people saying that it was always japanese for pedophile are wrong.

From what I remember they had things split up into three terms before Lolicon just ended up being used all of the time as it became familiar with westerners. I think it was Lolicon for pubescent girls, then Alicecon for younger than that, but I cant remember the third one. The term alicecon being named after alice from alice in wonderland.

I don’t think @Save the Loli should be vilified for his choice of username, maybe you could argue its in poor choice and Id agree, but I dont recall ever seeing this user post things that were remotely pedophiliac, if he doesnt like Trump (for the record I do) he can have a different opinion as well.

Who brought up him not liking Trump? He thinks people on the right are just vilifying people for no reason and falsely labeling people that as a defense for himself.

It doesn't really matter when they split the terminology. I've been on the internet a long time and loli had always meant what it means now. You can cope and break it down but the totality of the use of loli is to describe underage girls. It's a Chapelle joke and I posted it before but if you're going to wear the unform then people will assume you're part of the group. Simple as

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Nabokov is just a very good writer.
Top three non native English prose writers easily.
The book itself isn't a pro pedophilia screed either (closer to the opposite, the feeling of disgust at what kind of person Humbert is is very well elicited).

The thing with Nabokov is that he was kinda weird and off-putting. Not really unexpected for someone whose father was assassinated by Sergey Taboritski

 

[KhorneFlakes]

It is definitely one of those things that should not be replicated or duplicated in any way.

It got a remake in 1997 that was more overt in the sexual abuse from Humbert, played by Jeremy Irons. I think if it gets made again it needs 2 actors for him, one that is his Id, a conventionally handsome actor that potrays how Humbert sees himself in his own mind, then someone else to be his Ego, someone that is not attractive to show Humbert as he really is, a lecherous and obviously narcissistic degenerate. To make it easier you could use the same actor with some prosthetics, but I think thematicly and visually using two actors could be interesting to really push the intended purpose

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

It got a remake in 1997 that was more overt in the sexual abuse from Humbert, played by Jeremy Irons. I think if it gets made again it needs 2 actors for him, one that is his Id, a conventionally handsome actor that potrays how Humbert sees himself in his own mind, then someone else to be his Ego, someone that is not attractive to show Humbert as he really is, a lecherous and obviously narcissistic degenerate. To make it easier you could use the same actor with some prosthetics, but I think thematicly and visually using two actors could be interesting to really push the intended purpose

A remake ought to make it clear that it's the story of a Walter Mitty's narcissistic downfall. The character being a literature professor fits far more than academia would like to admit.

 

[itransheartnigger]

Kubrick said that Lolita is the only film he ever regretted making

Sad to tell you but he regretted it in a different manner, namely that it wasn't erotic enough.

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stanley-kubrick-regret-lolita-erotic/

https://www.slashfilm.com/1164814/stanley-kubrick-had-a-pretty-questionable-regret-about-the-way-he-handled-lolita/

Perhaps these are just hit pieces, but I couldn't find anything about Kubrick regretting Lolita altogether.

 

[LiquidKid]

How the hell did this book become such an influence?

If you read it, it goes into great detail to define all of its terminology. The first few pages explain exactly what a nymphet is and is not for instance.

Nabokov has a talent for getting really detailed with his first person fiction. His first English book, Sebastian Knight, for instance is about a guy writing a biography about his dead brother who was an author. The book is written as if the narrator is the actual writer of the book and goes into so much detail that you could assume it was a real person. That was always how he worked, and Lolita is no exception. In many ways, it’s like the Tolkien of pedophilia. It even explains how and why he developed his pedophilia because his first love was a 13 year old girl who died of an illness, keeping a perfectly preserved image of her in his mind that he spent the rest of his life chasing.

Everyone conveniently ignores the fact that the actual story isn’t about a pedo, but a man who’s just for young women leads to his destruction and eventual prison suicide.

Even more ironically, in the book he starts writing a novel about a man who falls in love with a young girl and he gets caught because he uses Delores(the girl he calls lolita)‘a real name and his wife rightfully thinks he’s a pedophile because of it. Literally in the the book the pedo tried to hide his pedophilia in fiction. Nabokov truly considered damn near everything

 

[draggs]

Yes @Save the Loli is a pedo as demonstrated by his pretzel logic remarks on numerous occasions in mass debates, identical to the pretzel logic remarks pedos have made literally millions of times including here

 

[God of Nothing]

There's something inherently sinister about sexual/porn terms becoming "normal" words to describe people in everyday life such as loli, shota, milf, dilf etc. Recently I've noticed that some young, apparently straight men refer to themselves as twinks, even though that was originally a gay porn category for pederasts. Now it's just a word to describe any attractive young man. The same thing has probably happened to loli(con).

Could it all be related to the fact that porn is becoming a bigger part of people's lives with each passing year? Terminally online degenerates set all the trends these days.

ah yes
"adult woman fetish"

Remember, remember, the "adult woman fetish" coomer.
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this is normal on 4chan now
under "hags" despite being 20 more often than not

 

[Sammich]

I don't see how having the word "loli" in my username makes me a pedophile.

I think it's probably more the "save the" before the loli, you dishonest cunt.

political figure

lol, no, you are not a political figure, you are defending questionable content on a website, you are a political figure you dumb bastard.

"loli" meant Japanese kid-diddler way way before 2020. Like pedofags were using that term by at least the late 00s.

I used to think it was more referring to lolita, from Nabokov's book

 

[Wild at Heart]

I put this in the other loli thread but here:

To me, loli feels like a dog whistle used by pedos to signal to other pedos they are of similar mind and interests. The images are spread around and for some reason are allowed to stay up on most boards. It's a gateway image to other disgusting things and should therefore be treated as such. I'm certain its prevalence in anime is the same thing, a pedo putting a dog whistle in his show to get off other pedos. Fucking nasty. These demons probably have places to share the real shit with each other after they use loli to find one another. That's just how it comes off to me. I understand the implicit evil found in these images, but their prevalence makes it seem like there is more to the equation.

So to answer your question, I feel as if an infinitesimally small amount of people are sharing saving or engaging in loli without an ulterior motive. The other 99 percent should be treated as people of interest.

Once I started looking at it this way, I hate seeing it even more. Even if you are parading around as a loli enjoyer ironically, you are contributing to CP culture and the congregation of such demons. So why even be attributed to that? CP is not the free speech anti establishment cause you want it to be, it is just evil and makes everyone angry for a good reason.

 

[God of Nothing]

Spoiler: Off-topic Spergery, Ignore

Not to get into this too much, but even if we ignore the context of the term, the entire foundation of lolicon content was built & popularized by various pedophiles in Japan such as editor and writer of the Tokyo Company Masaaki Aoyama, who was so addicted to masturbation at such a young age that he ended up purchasing a LOT of extreme pornography from overseas, such as scat, beastiality, shemales, and child pornography. He ended up hanging himself 2 years after Japan outlawed child pornography (this was outlawed in 1999). I recommend reading through the OP of the Lolicon / Shotacon Defender thread if you're interested in the subject.

But my entire point is that Lolicon was built by pedophiles, for pedophiles. And only in recent years have people even begun questioning its existence. Though I recommend you keep into the relevant threads about this, because for some reason its a hot button issue to talk about, or to even mock (y'know, the entire point of this site's existence)...

holy fuck, that's disturbing

I put this in the other loli thread but here:



Once I started looking at it this way, I hate seeing it even more. Even if you are parading around as a loli enjoyer ironically, you are contributing to CP culture and the congregation of such demons. So why even be attributed to that? CP is not the free speech anti establishment cause you want it to be, it is just evil and makes everyone angry for a good reason.

that's what the whole debate thing boils down to
a semantics game

 

[Mukhrani]

His younger sister was a friend of Ayn Rand as both were part of the jewish community of St Petersburg, went to the same school, and both their families fled to Crimea durung the October Revolution, though ended up in different areas. He is only about 6 years older than her, though he himself had a history of being abused (by his uncle) and his grandfather was supposedly groomed by an older woman (marrying the daughter to keep up appearances while he had an affair with the mother), which as is often seen, is a behavious that gets often repeated by the abused.

Nabokov wasn't Jewish, his family were Russian aristocracy, and Rand's iirc were middle-class Jews and owned a pharmacy. His wife was Jewish and only three years younger than him, but he didn't meet her until he lived in Berlin. There's zero evidence that he was a pedophile, and he viewed the pedophile character in Lolita as a vain, cruel wretch and thought that people who saw Lolita as an erotic novel basically had poor reading comprehension.

Rand herself was a bit of a basket case who loved to chase younger men, but mostly in their 20s/30s from everything I recalled. You can tell that she idealized the rugged man archetype way more than anything boyish just from her books. Boyishness is usually a characteristic that she gives to a pathetic villain character while the hero is a statuesque, chiseled man who rips the bodice off the self-insert heroine.

 

[Wild at Heart]

that's what the whole debate thing boils down to
a semantics game

I think a lot of people, especially here, hate being told what they are allowed to say or do. That is a good attitude to have, but certain causes are not worth that vigor. Some people might have loli pictures just to anger people like us or to be a troll at large, or even to be the ultimate free speech enjoyer. Every loli image perpetuates CP and even brings new people into the fold who wouldn't have joined otherwise. Evil.

 

[curbside2]

How the hell did this book become such an influence?

The book is misunderstood because boomers started naming their children Lolita. Nabokov admitted years later that the main character is intended to be detestable. And the narrative employs the unreliable narrator as a story telling device. Still, people that list it as their favorite book are suspect.

 

[KhorneFlakes]

Nabokov wasn't Jewish, his family were Russian aristocracy, and Rand's iirc were middle-class Jews and owned a pharmacy. His wife was Jewish and only three years younger than him, but he didn't meet her until he lived in Berlin. There's zero evidence that he was a pedophile, and he viewed the pedophile character in Lolita as a vain, cruel wretch and thought that people who saw Lolita as an erotic novel basically had poor reading comprehension.

Rand herself was a bit of a basket case who loved to chase younger men, but mostly in their 20s/30s from everything I recalled. You can tell that she idealized the rugged man archetype way more than anything boyish just from her books. Boyishness is usually a characteristic that she gives to a pathetic villain character while the hero is a statuesque, chiseled man who rips the bodice off the self-insert heroine.

His mother's side of the familiy was jewish and by jew law this makes him one too, not that it detracts from what I said. He also has like 5 other books that contain pedophilia in various degrees, he might not have been a child molester, as I said myself there is no smoking gun, but he was for sure interested in it personally.

I don't believe Rand was a pedophile, I also don't think she was liek the women in her books, by many accounts she was known for being a loud and quick to anger woman. I do think that her chasing of younger men was a dominance/veneration thing moreso than age, since most of her affairs were with fans.