Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Dizzyuntildeath]

Well, I don't know if he ever filed (Greer is a known liar) or if it got resolved, but what I do know is that no action has been taken on Mr. Hardin since he became a lawyer.

Even if he did file it, Mr. Greer has shown that in his mind if he files for something and receives any kind of notification regarding it (or even doesn't in many cases) he automatically assumes the correspondence is an in depth letter that describes in details that everything he asked for is granted, everything he implied or inferred is granted and a letter of commendation for being such a good boy. He can only spare a cursory glance at such things, if even that, and moves forward with extraordinary confidence that the thing he filed was granted.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

Greer has done that before, he basically just responds to the part that he wants to and ignores anything that even his version of logic can't work around. Like Hardin asked for sanctions because Greer kept on not providing all of the required information about his witnesses, which includes both their contact info and the anticipated scope of their knowledge. Greer continuously ignored that second part and never addressed it in any of his filing, all he would say over and over is that he just didn't have his brother and father's addresses but he gave the phone numbers so he had complied with the rule.

And when Russ gets called on it, he makes retard noises until the teacher judge goes "Oh well he's retarded so I'll only punish him when shit gets too egregious because I don't want to look like I'm openly bias."

Russ is the retarded kid who's smart enough to know he's retarded so when he gets caught doing retard shit he can go "I don't know better, I'm retarded."

 

[obsdj]

It's been exactly 2 weeks since Greer said he filed an ethics complaint on Mr. Hardin.

He didn't say he filed, he said "I'm also filing a complaint," so maybe he just hasn't gotten around to it yet what with all the other things he's busy with, like intervening in cases that don't concern him and having meltdowns about the Defendant in this case having the temerity to use his lawyer to actually defend him.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Actually, as long as we're talking about frivolous complaints, what would it take to actually get someone's pro hac vice status removed? Do you pretty much have to catch a lawyer doing something that'd be disbarrable in any state?
Is there anything you can do that'd result in you being "sent home" but not disciplined or disbarred?

 

[Debbie Macomber]

I still think when Russell says "neutral third party" he means "unemotional third party" as in, if Hardin where looking at things objectively, he'd OBVIOUSLY tell Null to settle because it's in his best interests, so if he keeps fighting it he must just harbour a personal hatred of Russ that's overriding his judgement.

I suspect he gets this perspective from his lawyer in the Erika stalking case telling him to never talk to her, only go through him because he's an unemotional third party, and take the guilty plea because it's the best you're gonna get

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I suspect he gets this perspective from his lawyer in the Erika stalking case telling him to never talk to her, only go through him because he's an unemotional third party, and take the guilty plea because it's the best you're gonna get

To be fair, there is at least one lawyer we know of who DID harbor ill-will toward Russ, and would go out of his way to handle Russ cases.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

I still think when Russell says "neutral third party" he means "unemotional third party" as in, if Hardin where looking at things objectively, he'd OBVIOUSLY tell Null to settle because it's in his best interests, so if he keeps fighting it he must just harbour a personal hatred of Russ that's overriding his judgement.

I suspect he gets this perspective from his lawyer in the Erika stalking case telling him to never talk to her, only go through him because he's an unemotional third party, and take the guilty plea because it's the best you're gonna get

How incredibly frustrating it must be to know deep down in your soul that you are right, that every action you take is by the grace of God, and to have these cretins dare to oppose you.
And then they dare to fight back when you take them to court despite both opinions and facts that are so obvious that you don't have to supply them? It must cut to the quick to know you're always completely right and still be punished for it.
Onwards, brave formerly (but still sometimes when he needs something from them) Mormon soldier.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

He didn't say he filed, he said "I'm also filing a complaint," so maybe he just hasn't gotten around to it yet

You must realize that I am not reading this as Greer does, but as functional human beings do.

 

[waffle]

what would it take to actually get someone's pro hac vice status removed?

Generally it would take some kind of sancionable conduct and ja going to depend somewhat on court to court. Something that resulted in a substantiated bar complaint would probably do it, lesser sanctions like for you missing deadlines and shit technically fall on the local attorney so he will cut you loose first if you're being a problem for him.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Let me seethe for a second here: I can forgive someone going pro se for reading and not properly comprehending the protective order. That's the sort of error you expect from someone trying their best but just out of their depth. I am angry that what actually happened is he didn't bother to read it, because that is not the error of someone making a good faith effort to do their best. He should be figuratively bitchslapped into the stratosphere by the court for this for wasting taxpayer resources in keeping this farce going for years. But, based on the extreme leniency he receives for the similar problems with meeting basic deadlines....you don't have to be a lawyer to comprehend a due date...I'm not optimistic about that.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It's a federal case so it's a bit different, but to get pro hac vice removed is going to be pretty hard. Honestly probably easier to get them censored.

Most commonly I could see (in state cases) if you keep using pro hac vice while living in the state or something, maybe they'd get annoyed at that.

Russ as usual doesn't understand what it is, just that it's something in Latin that someone else has, so he wants it taken away.

 

[The Stranger]

It's been exactly 2 weeks since Greer said he filed an ethics complaint on Mr. Hardin. What's the result?
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Greer bros, is it over?

Imagine being Hardin: having to go above-and-beyond to handhold a drooling retard through his own litigation against your client, remain professional through all communications, and the gimp-faced fuck still files an ethics complaint against you. He must have the patience of a saint. Or he doesn't and is getting through this with copious amounts of alcohol.

 

[Belgians in the Congo]

He must have the patience of a saint. Or he doesn't and is getting through this with copious amounts of alcohol.

I'm sure the money helps.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

I'm sure the money helps.

its a reduced rate.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

What's the usual penalty for filing frivolous sanctions against the opposing party's lawyer?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

What's the usual penalty for filing frivolous sanctions against the opposing party's lawyer?

Absolutely nothing. Maybe eventually a pro se retard would be told to knock it off.

 

[East_Clintwood]

Actually, as long as we're talking about frivolous complaints, what would it take to actually get someone's pro hac vice status removed? Do you pretty much have to catch a lawyer doing something that'd be disbarrable in any state?
Is there anything you can do that'd result in you being "sent home" but not disciplined or disbarred?

Per DUCivR 83-1.1:

In terms of losing PHV, but not being disbarred, most likely route would probably be something like repeatedly failing to follow local rules of practice.

 

[Harvey Danger]

What's the usual penalty for filing frivolous sanctions against the opposing party's lawyer?

It gets brought up in your next frivolous lawsuit, so you can complain about it all over again.

 

[RodgerDodger]

It's been exactly 2 weeks since Greer said he filed an ethics complaint on Mr. Hardin. What's the result?
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Greer bros, is it over?

He probably became stymied when he realized that filing a complaint requires him to submit his real and authenticated contact information. Such as his mailing address.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm merely asking out of curiosity because if I put in some work only to have my boss disregard it in such a callous and clueless way, I'd be fucking livid.

He hadn't actually gotten around to it. Hardin might as well have not even filed it, since the court utterly ignored it and just made up a fantasy number out of nowhere with zero reasoning.