Has the world "loli" always had pedo connotations? - Aw here it goes

[Fuck Bankers]

I think it can be beneficial to read if you look at it with the right lens.
It's honestly a well-made work and accurately paints the dynamics and psychology that occur in these situations. It can help someone understand the complexities of the specific type of abuse.
It isn't an easy read in my opinion. It's probably not a book you'll be able to read once and go "Oh I get it!" right off the bat. It's a book that gives your mind a series of questions to ponder, with those questions depending on the individual reading.
It's not supposed to be a romantic book.

Have you watched the Kubrick adaptation? If so what are your thoughts? I've watched every other Kubrick movie religiously, but I skipped this one for the same reason.

 

[Asterism]

Have you watched the Kubrick adaptation? If so what are your thoughts? I've watched every other Kubrick movie religiously, but I skipped this one for the same reason.

I have not seen any film adapation because I've never seen the need, and from my research it seems that film adaptations of Lolita tend to largely miss the point. Especially the older ones.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Lolita was written in 1955 by Vladimir Nabokov. It told the tale of a grown man fixated on girls aged 9-14, eventually becoming obsessed and starting a physical and romantic relationship with his landlady's 12-year-old daughter after becoming her stepfather. It's a very famous work that was well-known and referenced in multiple cultures before the anime craze and borrowed terms.

The term in Japan has long held such connotations well beyond even the start of this forum. In particular, lolicon refers to the predilection for young anime girls, while loli was more of a generic term for little anime girls in general. Gothic Lolita is a particular fashion style, as well. It's something within the last decade or so in the West that has become super creepy and a massive problem, the term pretty much exclusively referring to the predilection.

In terms of connotations, from that lens? Yes it has always such connections. Does that necessarily mean it's nefarious or weird? Not necessarily, it has in the past especially and still is sometimes just used as a humorous term. I understand it raising eyebrows or causing discomfort for people seeing it even used innocently, however.

What I don't understand is: was the work of Mr. Nabokov a """tribute""" to Humfrey Humfrey's """lifestyle choice""", or rather a deep analysis to such repudiating attitude? I, obviously, never read the book, but I am thinking it was the latter.

I just wonder how the Japanese made this be a "hooray, rori, i rove roris roricon is good!"

Nabokov is just a very good writer.
Top three non native English prose writers easily.
The book itself isn't a pro pedophilia screed either (closer to the opposite, the feeling of disgust at what kind of person Humbert is is very well elicited).

Welp, should have read this before posting. Thank you.

 

[Asterism]

What I don't understand is: was the work of Mr. Nabokov a """tribute""" to Humfrey Humfrey's """lifestyle choice""", or rather a deep analysis to such repudiating attitude? I, obviously, never read the book, but I am thinking it was the latter.

I just wonder how the Japanese made this be a "hooray, rori, i rove roris roricon is good!"

I personally lean towards it being a deep analysis over a glorification.
The author's writing style was very deliberate to set the unhinged, out-of-touch tone of the unreliable narrator in my opinion. And I think he did a very good job at it.
It's possible he took inspiration from life events but it's very unlikely he put himself in a book that way.

 

[draggs]

What I don't understand is: was the work of Mr. Nabokov a """tribute""" to Humfrey Humfrey's """lifestyle choice""", or rather a deep analysis to such repudiating attitude? I, obviously, never read the book, but I am thinking it was the latter.

I just wonder how the Japanese made this be a "hooray, rori, i rove roris roricon is good!"

The main character is portrayed as a pathetic bad person in general who ruins the lives of "Lolita" and her mother, along with his own life, because of his obsession with "Lolita"

There's also another pedo character that fills the antagonist role and is an even worse person than the main character

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

I personally lean towards it being a deep analysis over a glorification.
The author's writing style was very deliberate to set the unhinged, out-of-touch tone of the unreliable narrator in my opinion. And I think he did a very good job at it.
It's possible he took inspiration from life events but it's very unlikely he put himself in a book that way.

Understandable. Perhaps something out of a "true crime" style.

 

[Maurice Maine]

Means 'lolita complex' and invented in 1974 by mangaka Shiji Wada.

It's difficult. [My female protagonists] immediately become playthings for Lolita Complex males. In a sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to us, we have no choice but to make them as lovely as possible. But now, there are too many people who shamelessly depict [such protagonists] as if they just want [such girls] as pets, and things are escalating more and more.

—Hayao Miyazaki in 1988

Hayao Miyazaki, a man infamous for making the same female heroine over and over:

Spoiler

And this is an era of underground comix level shit before the Internet was a dream. Japan looked at this and said 'whatever' and as soon as the 90s eclipsed and anime got mainstream with the alternative youth Lolicon was exported alongside it. It always meant the same thing as far back as the seventies, sexualization of underaged characters. You can't rid Otaku culture of it, it's institutionalized. So yes, it always did.

 

[Grub]

You know nicknames like tiger and big dog DO attribute animal qualities right?

Also are you really suggesting someone being seen as cute is "objectifying?" I know the trope of discord kitten has kinda ruined it, but women comparing men to dogs, and men comparing women to cats is as old as time.

You're right it could potentially be dehumanizing. Your example was specifically as a nickname for a spouse, which I made some assumptions that the relationship was normal and healthy and the people involved were happy and comfortable using nicknames like that. For something like that it isn't black and white. It depends heavily on the situation and the people involved. My wife would likely find it dehumanizing if I used names like that so I don't. Other people wouldn't. A relationship usually has more involved in it apart from nicknames.

Just be honest, all this is is grasping at straws BECAUSE you don't like loli in their name, the REST of it is trying to build an argument to reinforce it.

I'm starting to think you either lack reading comprehension or didn't actually read the posts and conversation you responded to originally. Just to refresh your memory here

I don't see anything weird about it. Loli-type characters are meant to be cute like cats or dogs. That's why half the time they have animal ears and get headpats like a cat or dog

This specifically is what I am referring to.

Just try and picture for a minute what kind of reaction you'd get if you say walked around in public with a bunch pictures of anime children, showed them to people and then repeated that dumb shit @Save the Loli said. Bonus points if you try it on actual parents.

 

[The Last Stand]

Logic here sounds....kinda stupid not gonna lie. Its dehumanizing a person to compare them to animals under any circumstances? Does a girlfriend dehumanize me by calling me tiger? Or a friend calling me big dog?

As @Grub said, some people don't like being compared to animals. Your particular example has context between you and your friend.

Also are you really suggesting someone being seen as cute is "objectifying?"

If I, an adult, would use the word "cute" to describe a child, people would rightfully look at me the wrong way as I'm using an affectionate term towards a child.

Again, the purpose of loli is to fulfill a purpose of having a carticuture of a child in a position that the artist or owner of said material desires.

How many threads exist of people trying to rationalize their depraved fetish of children because "it's art?!"

 

[draggs]

As @Grub said, some people don't like being compared to animals. Your particular example has context between you and your friend.

If I, an adult, would use the word "cute" to describe a child, people would rightfully look at me the wrong way as I'm using an affectionate term towards a child.

Again, the purpose of loli is to fulfill a purpose of having a carticuture of a child in a position that the artist or owner of said material desires.

How many threads exist of people trying to rationalize their depraved fetish of children because "it's art?!"

It's one thing to say a kid is cute, pretty, handsome etc., in that kind of casual small talk complimenting gossipy way. Two moms at the little league game talking, telling a friend or coworker/work acquaintance or relative, that kind of thing

It's another thing to be talking the way so many weebs do about moe and loli characters

 

[The Last Stand]

It's one thing to say a kid is cute, pretty, handsome etc., in that kind of casual small talk complimenting gossipy way. Two moms at the little league game talking, telling a friend or coworker/work acquaintance or relative, whatever

I was going to make that example as exception, but I didn't want to give them an out in a sense. You're right.

 

[draggs]

I was going to make that example as exception, but I didn't want to give them an out in a sense. You're right.

Well it's one of those things where if you hear an adult talking about a child in that way, you instinctively know whether it's creepy or not from context

 

[IKOL]

>lolicon
>is it pedo thing?
>7 fucking pages
>SEVEN, MOISCHE!!!



I'll let Chippy speak for me there. I rest my case.

Oh hol' up, I forgot to add:

OP is Dec 3, 2024 joindate newfaggot doing soylent roast of Jul 1, 2017 namenigger. What a treat!

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

OP is Dec 3, 2024 joindate newfaggot doing soylent roast of Jul 1, 2017 namenigger. What a treat!

Technically, I made the thread and a moderator moved all the posts from USPG here.

 

[Bioniclelover]

Your username is "Save the Loli" and you said you don't see a problem with posting pictures of anime girls from lolicon franchises. There are no degrees of separation here. Also you said, and I quote:

This is demonstrably false. Loli-type characters are sexualized and have been since the beginning of the genre.

What you're trying to argue here is that you're a special case that does not sexualize loli and just thinks it's "cute," which is an argument that others have made to cover for their blatant pedophilia.

The guy constantly uses pictures of sexualized cartoon children as his pfp I don't really see any point in further discussion. Username is one thing but using it together with an image of a slobbering blushing little girl with a wide open mouth would make any normal person think you are a pedophile or at least clinically retarded.

 

[IKOL]

Technically, I made the thread and a moderator moved all the posts from USPG here.

Also techincally, due to DA MERGE you're not OP anymore so you've been blessed with avoiding possible shit being thrown at you.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Also techincally, due to DA MERGE you're not OP anymore so you've been blessed with avoiding possible shit being thrown at you.

I'm not the one trying to argue about the definition of "loli," so I don't think that either TarragonRespecter or I will get much shit.

 

[IKOL]

I'm not the one trying to argue about the definition of "loli," so I don't think that either TarragonRespecter or I will get much shit.

Trust me at some point it would occur that some gorilla niggers would throw shit at you as well because of utter retardation of their.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I don't see how having the word "loli" in my username makes me a pedophile. But hey, I can think clearly since I'm not a Trump fanboy. But hey, you guys call every political figure you don't like a pedophile. It's like when leftists try and call people Nazis.

You may not be a Trump fanboy, but that doesn't mean you aren't a Nazi pedophile.

I remember some Shzino Abe 'have sex' memes floating around when that anime spy-family released and suddenly thousands of fatherless individuals saw what presumably a representation of real familial love looks like and people were tweeting that they wanted children now
I have to wonder how many realised what they thought before was pedophilic in tendency, but then again ascribing self-reflection to a weeb is a losing prospect

Those memes make me chuckle a bit even if my response would normally be "I can't even afford groceries you fucking retard"

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The guy constantly uses pictures of sexualized cartoon children as his pfp I don't really see any point in further discussion. Username is one thing but using it together with an image of a slobbering blushing little girl with a wide open mouth would make any normal person think you are a pedophile or at least clinically retarded.

There is literally nothing sexual about this or any pfp I have ever used. Who but a pedophile would read something sexual into something that is totally non-sexual? Seek help.

That goes for other posters in this thread too. Trying to find sexuality in everything is kind of perverted. It's like assuming everyone with a cat or dog pfp wants to have sex with animals and makes you sound like a repressing sicko yourself.

You may not be a Trump fanboy, but that doesn't mean you aren't a Nazi pedophile.

I'm not a Nazi either. I'm a centrist. I disagree with Lebensraum, Fuhrerprinzip, and the necessity for a Judenfrei world and I think Hitler did many things wrong.