US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[WickyWickyWoW]

Israel immediately admitted guilt, apologized, and then paid out tens of millions in restitution. Retards like you never mention the USS Stark incident where 37 sailors were killed by an Iraqi fighter jet shooting 2 missiles at an American ship. Washington later blamed Iran for the incident and maintained it was an accident despite The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigation into the incident recommending that Iraq be held accountable.

Hold the fuck up, I know as fact when iraq hit the USS stark saddams response was immediate and profuse apologies and immediate compensation. A shittily trained pilot in a heavily jury rigged private jet misidentified a ship in a war zone, it was an honest accident. The USS liberty had according to the survivors an israeli reconnaissance plane had spent an extended amount of time above the liberty before the assault started. The prolonged combined arms assault with jets and torpedo boats. The IDF isnt some third world autocracy's mess of a conscript assembly that barely qualifies as a military. And when did israel officially confess and admit guilt for the liberty? Nevermind compensation which frankly is news to me

Americans don't pay for Israel to exist, 3 billion dollars a year in military aid isn't "paying for Israel's existance"

The objective fact of the matter is your existence of a nation is dependent on a combination of the guilt and disproportionate influence israel has over western governments. If foreign aid was cut off would the IDF be able to actually hold its own against the entire region who as an intergenerational grudge against your neocolonial ass?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

And when did israel officially confess and admit guilt for the liberty? Nevermind compensation which frankly is news to me

Pretty much immediately. You don't know about this because you didn't research it, you just know about the liberty incident due to memes.

. If foreign aid was cut off would the IDF be able to actually hold its own against the entire region who as an intergenerational grudge against your neocolonial ass?

It did twice with very little Western assistance

 

[BullfrogBill]

very clearly calling the phrase into question and downplaying it.

Is this really the quote from Tucker that has had you all worked up? He’s completely right, I agree with Tucker 100%. Iran is extremely low on my list of concerns compared to other more pressing shit happening in our country.

 

[UnidentifiedFlyingOrchid]

I care about animals more than I do Russians, deal with it.

TBH I have negative amounts of care about the opinions of people who whine about Jews and Israel. The money we give them immediately gets spent on them buying bombs and shit from us anyways plus it makes a lot of groypers and groyper-adjacent idiots mad

There's pretty much no one who pops out the "brother war" line that isn't some kind of spastic white nationalist retard. WWII Nazis and Russians are no brothers of mine.

Tbh I'm fine with letting the Europeans all murder each other like they are naturally inclined to do without adult supervision. Germany's well on the way to self-Morgenthauing itself anyways.

Russians... below animals.

People who whine about Jews and Israel... negative amounts of care.

Nazis and Russians... not a "brother" in a "brother's war"

Europeans... fine with them murdering each other.

All of them you fucking retard. I may think a substantial number of people on the east and west coasts are idiots but that doesn't mean I want them to die.

East and west coast urbanites... woah there! wishing death is very non-kosher!

 

[WickyWickyWoW]

Pretty much immediately. You don't know about this because you didn't research it, you just know about the liberty incident due to memes.

source your claims

It did twice with very little Western assistance

I dont mean a single war, I mean an extended siege, a siege that rhodesia and south africa fought, a siege where the entire western world turned against them and shattered their economies. Israel has committed similar crimes yet gets a pass. Had they been a different pale skinned ethnic group israel would be a historical note just like the aforementioned

 

[Kulee Baba]

source your claims

I dont mean a single war, I mean an extended siege, a siege that rhodesia and south africa fought, a siege where the entire western world turned against them and shattered their economies. Israel has committed similar crimes yet gets a pass. Had they been a different pale skinned ethnic group israel would be a historical note just like the aforementioned

Rhodesia did nothing wrong retard.

 

[WickyWickyWoW]

Rhodesia did nothing wrong retard.

right and wrong are irrelevant. What I mean is the lense in which their actions were viewed by the west at large, in which they were beaten down for their "crimes". In which israel gets a pass, screeching of browns and leftists in the west nonwhithstanding

 

[Eventide]

Is this really the quote from Tucker that has had you all worked up? He’s completely right, I agree with Tucker 100%. Iran is extremely low on my list of concerns compared to other more pressing shit happening in our country.

On the topic of other shit happening in the country: I'm actually a bit scared that the Trump administration's crackdown on Mexican cartels might lead to cartels-retaliating with terrorism. I mean, cartels are barbaric & will slaughter random uninvolved civilians solely to send a message (like that town they burned to ground to punish a DEA official).

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

source your claims

https://www.jta.org/archive/israel-pays-full-3323500-compensation-for-liberty-attack-victims

State Department spokesman Robert McCloskey announced today that the Government of Israel had paid the full amount claimed by the U.S. Government on behalf of the families of the 34 Americans killed in the June 8, 1967 attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. The intelligence ship was accidentally attacked last June 8. The compensation paid to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv on May 27 totalled $3,323,500.

https://www.jta.org/archive/israel-pays-further-compensation-for-attack-on-liberty-latest-receipt-3566457

The State Department announced today that United States Government has just received $3,566,457 from Israel in settlement of claims arising from the attack by Israeli jets and torpedo boats on the electronic intelligence ship USS Liberty on June 8,1967 at the height of the Six-Day War. The sum of $3,323,500 was paid by Israel to the U.S. on May 31, 1968 on behalf of the families of 34 men killed in the attack some 13.6 miles off the Sinai coast.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d352

While the Ambassador of Israel has informed the Secretary of State that “the Government of Israel is prepared to make amends for the tragic loss of life and material damage,”

I mean an extended siege, a siege that rhodesia and south africa fought, a siege where the entire western world turned against them and shattered their economies.

Israel went through the same thing from 1948 to 63 when the entire world put it under arms embargoes.

Is this really the quote from Tucker that has had you all worked up? He’s completely right, I agree with Tucker 100%. Iran is extremely low on my list of concerns compared to other more pressing shit happening in our country.

Tucker creates a false dichotomy and apologizes for a government that has sponsored terror cells that kill Americans.. You can care about multiple things at once.

 

[WickyWickyWoW]

Israel went through the same thing from 1948 to 63 when the entire world put it under arms embargoes.

Except during the 50s the UK was a major arms supplier to israel, and in the 60s the US began arming the israelis. Versus Rhodesia a landlocked country who slowly had the entire world turn against it. To my knowledge their supply of fuel was shut off and so that was the final straw on the camels back. Yes israel had garnered the ire of the international community many times in its history but it kept major western powers aiding and supplying it. Rhodesia had near global economic warfare applied to them and south africa was on the chopping block by the time the referendum rolled around

As for your claims of the USS liberty this is new information to me, I will look through it. This does not excuse however what was an operation so well executed that the israelis accidently misidentified the ship, they are too intelligent for that

Edit: From a cursory analysis it seems that the united states foreign aid to israel jumped from the ~20 ish million range in 1967 to ~70 ish million. They returned a nickel and got a dollar in return. Im still parsing the numbers with how fucky foreign aid data can be and with how old it is im digging through old records but again, they came out on top

 

[Sekirodiealot]

This subreddit is comedy gold.

https://xcancel.com/politvidchannel/status/1897345591379976408?s=46&t=zjC1jDc1nwWfqlEsOI33-Q

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Niggers trying to comprehend computers is fucking hilarious.

i love the dumbasses who said election denial was unamerican and insurectionist turn into one overnight.



This dude think this off handed comment from trump is evidence

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

No kidding. Over the years I've managed to get booted out of group after group for merely suggesting "nobody's coming after you, what they want is much more simple and reasonable than hanging you, stop catastrophizing". I don't know why I still bother trying to reach parity with these people besides some obligation to the person in them I used to know and see now as misguided and radicalized. You can have the most gentle take possible in the opposite direction and you might as well be a White Pride Worldwide member in their eyes.

I'm running into that a lot. Just telling people that Trump isn't the end of the world and they should maybe relax a bit gets the most wild vitriol publicly and privately from people I've known for ages.

 

[mlanguishi]

I'm running into that a lot. Just telling people that Trump isn't the end of the world and they should maybe relax a bit gets the most wild vitriol publicly and privately from people I've known for ages.

I just enjoy their terror and fear now. It's funny to me. And the more they bitch the more I hope their fears come true.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

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Elections are 1000% secure, everyone knows that!

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Wait until he gets a taste of what the IRS has done to many conservatives and conservative-leaning groups.

what they do?

 

[Kulee Baba]

right and wrong are irrelevant. What I mean is the lense in which their actions were viewed by the west at large, in which they were beaten down for their "crimes". In which israel gets a pass, screeching of browns and leftists in the west nonwhithstanding

Why shouldn’t we all get a pass? Why do I have to hear about how the land I live on was “stolen” from some irrelevant Native American tribe ages ago? Oh Rhodesia got fucked so Israel deserves it too?

I’ll never understand right wing people resorting to bullshit left wing talking points validating their nonsense. “Neocolonialism” (not sure if you wrote that but someone earlier ITT did) and calling everything a genocide. Fuck it all. Israel has the right to exist because it exists and beat their opposition in 67. Israel gets the right to blow up Gaza into ashes. Time to grow some balls and accept that ”Might makes right.”

You don’t like Israel because you see it as a drain on the USA? Perfectly logical view to have. But don’t tell me horseshit regurgitated from leftists.

Trump is moving forward to let South Africa’s farmers immigrate to the US. Does Trump get any credit for being the only leader to give a damn about them? Or is Trump still only a shabbos goy?

 

[Justin Igger]

Pretty much immediately. You don't know about this because you didn't research it

Let's contrast Saddam's apology with Israel's

Saddam:
"Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, formally apologizing for the 'unintentional incident,' asked Reagan to extend his sorrow to the families of those killed and injured in the nighttime lightning strike Sunday."

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/05/18/Iraq-apologized-Monday-for-its-mistaken-attack-on-the/2828548308800/

Da Joos:
"The preliminary report of the Special Court of Inquiry convened by the Government of Israel has concluded that 'The attack on the USS Liberty was not in malice; there was no criminal negligence and the attack was made by innocent mistake."

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001359215.pdf

Do you see the difference? You probably don't. It's called contrition, a completely foreign concept to you KIKES.
LMAO imagine Saddam Fucking Hussein looking like a gentleman compared to you.

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[nelly98]

Catch The Rainbow has made me hate jews more than the news or anyone else on the website.

 

[moocow]

I'm running into that a lot. Just telling people that Trump isn't the end of the world and they should maybe relax a bit gets the most wild vitriol publicly and privately from people I've known for ages.

Yup, same here. I'm mask-off these days. I just don't give a shit anymore who knows I think these hysterics are funny and I delight in laughing at (and mocking) people stupid enough to say that shit in public.

Want to really fuck one of them up? Tell them you wish we lived in the world they claim we live in. Make sure you've concluded your business wherever you're at before you say it, because once it dawns on them what you mean, they'll create quite a distraction

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

That's actually a lie that Trump admin keeps using against Biden. For whatever it's worth, Biden had made it his foreign policy to attempt to stop that war with more effort than he used on the Hamas war. He even got the Europeans on board. Ultimately it didn't amount to much. See, for example:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/08/biden-admin-nudging-led-ukraine-to-drop-putin-condition-for-peace-talks-00065679

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/27/biden-endgame-ukraine-00133211

https://www.ft.com/content/b70972d6-3e7f-4a87-8bc5-ac0699f6e7fc

I might be missing more (I am ignoring the various summits where Western powers went into circle jerk sessions, as those had no actual value)

So, the newfound anger at the peacetalks is even stranger from that perspective.

>politico

Biden’s administration had Vindman and Nuland involved in its bullshit with Ukraine. I feel like there’s some weird ethic Jew grudge going on. Ukrainian Jews are very oddly Russophobic in ways that Russian Jews are not from personal experience. Like all Russian Jews I know kinda loathe Russia, but they don’t hate it. I’ve had a Ukrainian Jew say they weren’t Russian despite their grandmother being the only Jew in her family born in Kiev.

I feel like whatever peace motions Biden made were more or less for appeals during the midterms and 2024.

@Catch The Rainbow any idea on this? Inter Jew fighting is something I kinda know, but usually it’s either Zionist v Internationalist Marxists or Child of Yakub vs Ethiopian true Israelites.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Seriously.

WHAT DA FUK.

All for a corrupt shithole leagues away.

Death to Ukraine.