Mega Rad Gun Thread

[The Dude]

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Siggers are so desperate they are coming up with delusional strawman arguments not a single person is actually making in order to get a Xitter dub.

Joke's on you, Reno. I believe the P320 is dangerous and will never own one AND I believe Shit Bulls are worthless, dangerous mutts and should all be eliminated.

 

[Seafarer]

what if we go to turkey and made our OWN P320

Apparently Norinco of China makes Sig clones in 7.62 Tokarev. Bet you they run better too.

 

[Club Sandwich]

one of the agencies i service has around 1200 P320s in inventory and other than doing the initial drop trigger fix, there hasn't been any accidental or negligent discharges due to dropping the pistol, even at weird angles. i have had weirdness in other ways, just not dangerous ones like an unintended discharge. i'm not saying people on youtube or whatever are wrong, and there is evidence by others floating around out there too, but i like to think my sample size is decent over the period of time (about 2-1/2 years, although some still hang onto their P226 since it was a gradual roll-out) is representative.

i wonder what's different with our agency vs others?

 

[TerminalTryHard]

one of the agencies i service has around 1200 P320s in inventory and other than doing the initial drop trigger fix, there hasn't been any accidental or negligent discharges due to dropping the pistol, even at weird angles. i have had weirdness in other ways, just not dangerous ones like an unintended discharge. i'm not saying people on youtube or whatever are wrong, and there is evidence by others floating around out there too, but i like to think my sample size is decent over the period of time (about 2-1/2 years, although some still hang onto their P226 since it was a gradual roll-out) is representative.

i wonder what's different with our agency vs others?

My understanding is at some point Sig began using parts made in India to cut costs.

 

[Club Sandwich]

My understanding is at some point Sig began using parts made in India to cut costs.

while it's true that SIG uses some MIM and stamped parts, mostly small parts like springs, screw, and pins for the P320, the M17 variations, including the commercial model, are US made and has no imported parts. the SIG 1911 has significantly more MIM and small parts from india such as the safety, hammer, and MSH.

since 2017 or so, the parts are made in Texas (san antonio specifically) by a factory that is owned by Indo-MIM (https://www.indo-mim.com/) which also operates in Germany for some Walther models and Umarex as well.

so if it was to cut cost, it certainly isn't cutting much cost now. probably some parts are still molded in india, but without some deeper inspection or a BOM it's hard to say. in my experience, it's mostly small parts like the trigger, not the slide or frame. for these, the ones i've handled were indistinguishable from known US made ones other than the color being more gray than deep black. maybe there some questionable heat treatment going on or the metal formula is off leading to premature wear or deforming?

 

[Kheapathic]

Working on my case loadout; the DAKA grid is pretty nice as I'm not an artist or chef and suck at precision cutting.


1. Gun is positioned facing left so the charging handle in one of the holes; and safety block removed as it adds extra height. Barrel's facing the other way to cut down on height, easier to configure if they're not together, as I either eat shit with the charging handle being up, or the barrel's carry handle being down and in a shit angle.

2. Can fit a second barrel to the identical compartment to the left of where the current one is at the bottom, can forgo a second barrel for something else. Case isn't wide enough to place a second above the gun.

3. Box magazines just have shit geometry for this thing, gonna buy some of the angled pieces and see if I can work something.


4. This is the bulge from first build, foam should settle and bulge will go down... Hopefully.

 

[DocAwe]

If it lasts longer than four hours go see your doctor.

 

[The Dude]

Working on my case loadout; the DAKA grid is pretty nice as I'm not an artist or chef and suck at precision cutting.

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1. Gun is positioned facing left so the charging handle in one of the holes; and safety block removed as it adds extra height. Barrel's facing the other way to cut down on height, easier to configure if they're not together, as I either eat shit with the charging handle being up, or the barrel's carry handle being down and in a shit angle.

2. Can fit a second barrel to the identical compartment to the left of where the current one is at the bottom, can forgo a second barrel for something else. Case isn't wide enough to place a second above the gun.

3. Box magazines just have shit geometry for this thing, gonna buy some of the angled pieces and see if I can work something.

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4. This is the bulge from first build, foam should settle and bulge will go down... Hopefully.

Very nice. Getting a Daka 53 case is on my to-do list this year. Probably going to be one of my next purchases. Right now all of my old rifle cases (which are ones my dad had for hunting guns and a cheap plastic case that my Origin 12 came in) are pretty much falling apart due to age. I wanted to get a Pelican case until the new MagPul cases came out. I do have one good Pelican knock-off pistol cases, but not really anything for long guns.

That grid and block system is such an excellent design that I'm kinda surprised that it took this long for someone to come up with it. Certainly beats the hell out of either trying to cut foam, or leaving the foam intact and just squishing everything between the two sheets of foam.

 

[Duke Nukem]

while it's true that SIG uses some MIM and stamped parts, mostly small parts like springs, screw, and pins for the P320, the M17 variations, including the commercial model, are US made and has no imported parts. the SIG 1911 has significantly more MIM and small parts from india such as the safety, hammer, and MSH.

since 2017 or so, the parts are made in Texas (san antonio specifically) by a factory that is owned by Indo-MIM (https://www.indo-mim.com/) which also operates in Germany for some Walther models and Umarex as well.

so if it was to cut cost, it certainly isn't cutting much cost now. probably some parts are still molded in india, but without some deeper inspection or a BOM it's hard to say. in my experience, it's mostly small parts like the trigger, not the slide or frame. for these, the ones i've handled were indistinguishable from known US made ones other than the color being more gray than deep black. maybe there some questionable heat treatment going on or the metal formula is off leading to premature wear or deforming?

Funny you mention Indian injection molding, their previous rifle, the INSAS, allegedly had plastic magazines and furniture that was poor quality to the point where most of their soldiers hated the firearm. They switched to a licensed copy of the AK-103 I believe, which probably isn't going to be worse.

I'm not huge on pistols myself, I'm more of a rifle guy, but I'm not planning on purchasing a P320 anyway.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Funny you mention Indian injection molding, their previous rifle, the INSAS, allegedly had plastic magazines and furniture that was poor quality to the point where most of their soldiers hated the firearm. They switched to a licensed copy of the AK-103 I believe, which probably isn't going to be worse.

I'm not huge on pistols myself, I'm more of a rifle guy, but I'm not planning on purchasing a P320 anyway.

i'm fairly familiar with the INSAS rifle oddities, the subcontracting nightmare they brought onto themselves, the reliability problems, the poor quality of manufacturing, et c. they started taking AKMs for their northern borders and the AK-103 was purchased, though not produced for their navy and air force and not replacing the INSAS. the plastic on the INSAS was too brittle, but the bigger issue was that the manufacturing varied wildly between 3 furniture makers - literally plastic injection molded chairs and stools. they got the contract from family contacts and bribes and produced the gun furniture using normal ABS and polystyrene, and then the mix master INSAS rifle where any given two rifles can't even swap parts with each other you get a lot of clearance and tolerance problems, then metal on plastic encouraged the brittle plastic to snap, deform, crack, and break et c

what a mess.

 

[The Dude]

I just got the email with the approval for the tax stamp for my Hybrid 46M! I was pretty surprised it was approved so quickly. I had to wait two months for the approval for my Vox S, and that was after waiting an additional two months or so for the backorder on it to arrive. Now if only I could find someone who has the Charlie Piston Mount for it in stock and a piston with the right threads so I can mount it on my Mark 23. The pistons are in stock, but not the Charlie Piston Mount.

 

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

I had to wait two months for the approval for my Vox S

Are you filing as a trust? I know when the ATF switched to their new faster system filing as a trust still took considerably longer.

 

[Samhain]

Truth be told, I think some of the claims of the P320 firing on its own are cops simply ND'ing. However, there are plenty of other incidents where the gun has fired without any fingers near the trigger. I often see claims that almost all of the complaints of the P320 firing on it own come from cops, and therefore it's just cops ND'ing and blaming the gun. However, what demographic of people are most likely to be carrying a P320 daily? Cops. Who would most likely encounter problems with the P320? Cops. It just makes sense that the largest pool of data regarding the P320 would come from cops. I see Siggers constantly referencing "Glock leg" as if that has anything to do with Glocks firing on their own. That was just some cops adjusting to a pistol that didn't have a manual safety. It's Sigger cope.

I do think that the P320 firing itself is actually a fairly rare occurrence considering how many of them are out there, but it's clearly a problem. The gun isn't well designed, and it's not safe. This is in addition to all the QC problems the P320 has (and Sig in general).

 

[Taser Confetti]

Truth be told, I think some of the claims of the P320 firing on its own are cops simply ND'ing. However, there are plenty of other incidents where the gun has fired without any fingers near the trigger. I often see claims that almost all of the complaints of the P320 firing on it own come from cops, and therefore it's just cops ND'ing and blaming the gun. However, what demographic of people are most likely to be carrying a P320 daily? Cops. Who would most likely encounter problems with the P320? Cops. It just makes sense that the largest pool of data regarding the P320 would come from cops. I see Siggers constantly referencing "Glock leg" as if that has anything to do with Glocks firing on their own. That was just some cops adjusting to a pistol that didn't have a manual safety. It's Sigger cope.

I do think that the P320 firing itself is actually a fairly rare occurrence considering how many of them are out there, but it's clearly a problem. The gun isn't well designed, and it's not safe. This is in addition to all the QC problems the P320 has (and Sig in general).

There’s a contingent of gun owner that’s convinced all cops are morons that know nothing about firearms as opposed to them because they shoot a deer once a year and dick off at the range couple times a month.

LEO are the only ones carrying the P320 for meaningful hours and there’s plenty of footage of the guns going off.

Siggers are quickly becoming the Pitt mommies of the gun world.

 

[BikeLock]

There’s a contingent of gun owner that’s convinced all cops are morons that know nothing about firearms as opposed to them because they shoot a deer once a year and dick off at the range couple times a month.

LEO are the only ones carrying the P320 for meaningful hours and there’s plenty of footage of the guns going off.

Siggers are quickly becoming the Pitt mommies of the gun world.

In brighter news my zoomer co-worker is shopping for something to replace his P320. I've pointed him towards pretty much every "good" striker option, hopefully he winds up with something like an M&P or a Walther PDP.

 

[The Dude]

Are you filing as a trust? I know when the ATF switched to their new faster system filing as a trust still took considerably longer.

No, individual transfers. I didn't want to go through the hassle of setting up a trust, and I think one day we will see suppressors deregulated.

 

[CoolGuy1990]

2, maybe even 3 more SHOT Shows worth of this dumb "tactical" lever gun fad...

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in their defense if your in gods most hated state (Cali) leaning hard into the cowboy larp might be your only hope

 

[ifunny pride world wide]

Funny you mention Indian injection molding, their previous rifle, the INSAS, allegedly had plastic magazines and furniture that was poor quality to the point where most of their soldiers hated the firearm.

They also couldn't into welding. Compare the INSAS to any AKM and you'll find a rivet where a spotweld should be

Here's a link from a native Indian Gun forum that goes over the design in detail
https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9131

the plastic on the INSAS was too brittle, but the bigger issue was that the manufacturing varied wildly between 3 furniture makers - literally plastic injection molded chairs and stools

Hungary had this issue with their polymer furniture on the AMD rifles. The reason they're blue is because they only had access to food grade plastics. Somewhat understandable given they were poor, communist, sanctioned, and in the 20th century. India is just poor but like come on now. The East German Pebble stuff is known to be kinda bad too.

 

[CoolGuy1990]

No problem. I did a lot of research on these guns before I bought mine. It's a current production Ranch Rifle, 585 series. It's fun, I like the tiny Garand action it has. Like an alternative reality where the Garand/M14 was adapted into a SCHV cartridge in the late 50's. Here's a link to the bushings https://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/Gas-Reduction-Bushing-Kit.php. I used the .040 inch bushing and have good reliability, winter time needs higher pressure 5.56 to cycle well but in the summer the difference is night and day. Another thing to consider is installing a 1911 buffer on the rearmost end of the operating rod's recoil assembly. Keeps the rifle from slamming into itself as hard, even with the reduced gas pressure. I experimented with having another buffer on the foremost end but ended up with the rifle unlocking prematurely and invoking more reliability issues. Cogburn Arsenal makes some neat aftermarket parts, like stripper clip guides and bayonet lugs. A lot of people shit on the Mini, and the older ones were crap, but I like the history of knowing these neat little things were used in Rhodesia and Ireland, and it's kind of neat having a tiny Garand that shoots affordable effective ammunition. I just like em bros.

also whats a good recommendation for LPVO optic I was thinking trijicon 1-6

 

[Yours Truly 2095]